Woof Woof !


"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Scotty wrote:


I've swallowed live gold Fish, that were still swimming
when
they 'came out'.


That goes a long way toward explaining some of your
behavior!

Cheers
Marty
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In article , Capt. JG
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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seagull = winged rat.

PDW

I thought that until I saw one standing on top of a log, which was floating
vertically in the water. If it hadn't been for the gull, I would have missed
the log and the boat would have probably been holed.

One use for them I suppose. Another is testing your aim with a pistol.

PDW

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

Actually I have. I've watched the process at three separate slaughter
houses, and yes it ain't pretty. But it's hardly clubbing the animals,
skinning them while still alive, and allowing them to die in agony.

Nope, it's raising them in confined pens, feeding them rations
formulated to maximise weight gain and desired marbling, loading them
onto trucks using cattle prods and the like, transporting them to a
place of slaughter where they are usually deprived of food & water, or
at least on minimum rations, then forcing them through more races to a
place of slaughter, where they can smell the ones in front dying.

That's a far cry from the description I gave above. Downright humane by
comparison, actually. They may be able to hear and smell the death of their
fellow steers, but they cannot cognitively process that information beyond
simply becoming alarmed. The beef I saw being slaughtered simply resisted
being pushed toward the slaughter pit, no differently than they resisted
being pushed into the barn back at the feed lot or being pushed into a
trailer for transportation.

Perhaps, but the differences are profound. Perhaps you should view a
harp
seal harvest before making such ridiculous claims.

What ridiculous claims have I made? I said that *both* were abhorrent.
Is this a ridiculous claim?

IMO, it's ridiculous to compare a beef slaughterhouse with the harp seal
harvest. That's my opinion, and you won't change it. I've seen both.

I think clubbing, and then live-skinning, any animal should be a
criminal offence. I don't care if they're being killed, as long as it's
fast & humane and the kill is within sustainable harvest levels.

Agreed.

As for intensively farmed livestock, the *only* bit of their lives that
may be described as humane is the kill. The differences aren't as
profound as you might like to believe.

I think you've tended to anthropomorphize livestock. Steers are not
sentient, therefore don't really give a rat's posterior as to what
conditions they live in, nor for the congestion or crowding. But animals
can suffer pain and a lingering death. There are huge differences between
the way livestock is raised and slaughtered and the harp seal harvest.

Max

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article , DSK
wrote:

Manly! Did you eat the liver?


Capt.Mooron wrote:
Matter of fact.. No.... but I ate raw caribou kidney!

Gee that sounds lovely.
And you wonder why people turn down your dinner invitations!

Can't see the problem meself. We used to catch tuna and they'd be on
the plate as sashimi, flesh still quivering with remnant nerve
impulses, while we cracked the beer & wasabi sauce.

Maybe if you tried some wasabi with the raw caribou kidneys you'd discover a
new delicacy worthy of opening a restaurant chain.

Max

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Peter Wiley" wrote
Can't see the problem meself. We used to catch tuna and
they'd be on
the plate as sashimi, flesh still quivering with remnant
nerve
impulses, while we cracked the beer & wasabi sauce.

I've swallowed live gold Fish, that were still swimming when
they 'came out'.

So, you tend to think of yourself as simply a large, mobile goldfish bowl?

Max

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article , Bob Crantz
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article et,
Maxprop wrote:

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Lots of batting practice:

http://tinyurl.com/o9owv

The brutal murder of harp seal pups still evokes a visceral
reaction
after
all these years. Think how much better the US baseball team would
be
if
we
could bash the skulls of those Canadian hunters. I'm betting Dusty
Baker
could probably raise the Cubs' team average by .200.

Max

Brutal murder? My ass! It's no worse than what we do to millions of
pigs and cows every year.

Hardly. Most domesticated farm animals slaughtered for food and hides
are
sacrificed with a device termed a "humane killer," which is little
more
than
a gun that blows the brains to mush instantly, obviating pain on the
part
of
the animal. The animal is generally dead before it hits the ground.

Pretty true, Max, except - have you ever been in an abbatoir? Seen the
slaughter line? Seen how the beasts are handled *before* they even get
there?

I have. I wrote software for a research project dealing with feedlots
and spent a lot of time close up & personal with all of this stuff.
That was 10 years ago and I haven't forgotten it. You haven't a clue of
just how much suffering and fear those beasts go through prior to their
quick and painless death.

You're making a really, really bad comparison between
institutionalised, factory slaughter and clubbing cute little seals to
death.

Both are abhorrent.

PDW

Great point!

That's why hunting is more humane than a slaughterhouse.

The anti-hunters haven't a clue!

Damn right. One second peacefully grazing in the field, the next dead
from a brain shot. I spent a huge amount of time in my teens thru to my
40's hunting.

You shoot for the head??? Interesting, and most unorthodox.

Max

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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seagull = winged rat.

I'm particularly fond of the chicken bones they regurgitate all over my
boat.

Max

I believe they are protected here.

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article , Capt. JG
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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seagull = winged rat.

PDW

I thought that until I saw one standing on top of a log, which was
floating
vertically in the water. If it hadn't been for the gull, I would have
missed
the log and the boat would have probably been holed.

One use for them I suppose. Another is testing your aim with a pistol.

PDW

Just be grateful they don't reguritate the whole chicken.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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seagull = winged rat.

I'm particularly fond of the chicken bones they regurgitate all over my
boat.

Max

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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seagull = winged rat.

I'm particularly fond of the chicken bones they regurgitate all over my
boat.

Just be grateful they don't reguritate the whole chicken.


Unfortunately the chicken makes it all over the boat as well, just not
regurgitated.

Max