OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:20:51 -0500, "Scotty"
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OzOne wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:47:35 GMT, "Maxprop"

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in
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Ummm, Max, it's not penalizing Mooron at all. It's a
big world out
there, lotta interesting places.

Certainly, but the US sits on his nearby southern border.
Jakarta doesn't.
I enter Canada from two to five times per year, and its
disappointing that
the border constraints are in place, but that won't stop
me. Petty
bureaucracies exist in nearly every place in the world,
and unless you
choose to become a self-isolationist you simply deal with
them and go about
your business.

But this really has nothing to do with Moroon's
inconvenience or his
principles. He loves to grind the anti-US axe with those
of us here from
the US. So does Ozzy. It seems to be their cyber
recreational pleasure of
late. And we'd be remiss if we didn't call them on
it--hell, they'd find no
pleasure at all in a one-sided diatribe with no
opposition. So in my own
way I'm making it possible for you, Moroon and Ozzy to
enjoy your time on
ASA. You can thank me now or later.

Max


Sensitive little sucker!

Don't be confused, I am and never have been anti
American..though I
tended toward that when the American people re elected the
guy who has
put the US in a position from which it is unlikely to
recover.

I am, and have been since Bush was elected, firmly anti US
Govt.


As are most 'Mericans.

Scotty

Now!

Oh? Do you really think we enjoy paying huge portions of our incomes, only
to have our government squander it wastefully and without restraint? Do you
believe that we appreciate our "representatives" who cave to special
interests while showing no interest in our communal needs? Do you honestly
think we like the fact that our "representatives" set themselves apart,
creating one set of laws to govern the populace, while they apply another,
much relaxed and lenient set of rules for themselves? Do you believe that
we applaud these same "representatives" for voting themselves periodic pay
raises, especially when they are grossly overpaid and perked to death as it
is? Do you think there is probably more than a tiny group of Americans who
actually think "politics as usual" in Washington is a good thing?

If you do believe any of this, I have some prime real estate you might wish
to consider at bargain prices. Yeah, I'll take a check, but I'd prefer a
credit card number . . .

Max

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

Certainly, but the US sits on his nearby southern border. Jakarta
doesn't. I enter Canada from two to five times per year, and its
disappointing that the border constraints are in place, but that won't
stop me. Petty bureaucracies exist in nearly every place in the world,
and unless you choose to become a self-isolationist you simply deal with
them and go about your business.

Seems to me you assume that because you find Canada worth visiting
repeatitly... I should feel the same way about the USA. I don't..... and
you shouldn't take that personally... get all insulted, and claim I'm anti
American.


But this really has nothing to do with Moroon's inconvenience or his
principles. He loves to grind the anti-US axe with those of us here from
the US. So does Ozzy. It seems to be their cyber recreational pleasure
of late. And we'd be remiss if we didn't call them on it--hell, they'd
find no pleasure at all in a one-sided diatribe with no opposition. So
in my own way I'm making it possible for you, Moroon and Ozzy to enjoy
your time on ASA. You can thank me now or later.

Max.... if you consider getting fingerprinted merely an inconvenience...
we just have to agree to disagree. I can supply security documentation and
references... but this is not adequate to satisfy the US Customs. If I
view their requirements as beyond that which I am willing to provide....
how can you state that as anti American? Does my personal decision offend
your national pride? What makes you think I am short changing myself
because I refuse to comply with a ridiculous request?


I get fingerprinted every three years in order to obtain a firearms carry
permit. BFD--I have nothing to hide. It makes my fingers black and the
cleanup is a PITA, but hardly worth fretting over. It may be an
infringement on my privacy and personal freedom, but it is what I have to do
to accomplish my goal, so I do it without bitching. To refuse to do so
would mean that I am denied my permit to carry. That would affect me--not
those who have instigated the policies.

And no, you don't offend my national pride, or any such silly, fallacious
conclusion you may concoct, in the least. My point is simply that your
indignation is placing limits on your ability to move about the world. It
has no effect whatever upon me or my countrymen. You're more than welcome
to stand on your principles and avoid the US. We don't care in the
slightest.

I wouldn't travel to any country requiring that level of infringement on
my privacy and freedoms.

I guess, then, that you'll not be going anywhere a passport is necessary,
eh?

Max

"jlrogers" wrote in message
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For thirty years I traveled every week in the US by air. Sometimes 3
cities a week. I gave it up in 2004 because of 'Homeland Security." I no
longer fly because of the "security." I will not be treated in the
degrading and officious manner that is now imposed on flying passangers.
With my temperment, it would just be a matter of time before I decked one
of those officious *******s.

If you change your mind and go flying into the US again, could you please
let me know where and when? I'd love to watch.

Max

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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I believe it's up to 5% now.

Scotty


Now there's security in action.....:-)

How would you inspect every container entering the US?


When you say inspected, do you understand that they don't
actually open them up and check inside? Mostly they run an
x-ray machine around the container. A very slow process as
it's done now.
At least on the East Coast, they set a dozen or so
containers on the ground, in line, then drive the x-ray
machine over them, slowly. A costly , time consuming
process.
I don't know why they don't have a drive thru type machine.

Because it would be logical?

Max

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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You're an ex-cop. How would you deal with terrorism in
Australia?


He'd remove all guns from citizens.

Yup. That would do it. At least until one of those from whom he was
attempting to confiscate a firearm shot him.

Max

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:56:12 -0500, "Scotty"
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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You're an ex-cop. How would you deal with terrorism in
Australia?


He'd remove all guns from citizens.

SV

Too late now....heck, even Cheney shoots his friends.

Quail, lawyers--what's the difference? g

Max

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote ...
Mrs. Peel, clearly. 99 looked and acted like someone's
kid sister. Not
sexy.


My kid sister was sexy.

Pervert!

Max

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

They'll never return to Canada, rather to the US to resume their careers
with the NHL. :-p

It's livin' in the USA... what made them Fat & Lazy!

No. Most of us work hard for a living. The NHL, OTOH, is made up of a
congregation of millionaires who are so f***ing spoiled that they fought
with their owners' organization until they got locked out for a year. Of
course we never saw any of them finding alternative work during that year.


Ship'em back to Canada for a spell... we'll Beat the Hockey back into'em!

After the Russians got beat by the US amateur team in 1980, a few of the
team members disappeared off the face of the planet, never to be seen or
heard from again. Is Canada given to similar treatment of slackers?

Max

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:31:13 +0000, Peter Wiley
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Eaxactly my point.
Every non US citizen is subject to the most rigorous scrutiny yet 95%
of containers are left untouched....homeland security is a sham.

Couldn't agree more.

The real joke here is, after you pass thru the scanners, you can buy
drinks in glass bottles on the inside. And they're worried about Swiss
Army knives and the like?

Security? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa.

PDW

And on the aircraft, you're given bottles of wine, are served from
bottles, can purchase duty free in bottles, and your teeth are not
pulled in the name of security.

I've flown regularly for the past five years--often in first class--and I
have yet to be given a glass anything on a plane. Even the forks and knives
are plastic.

Max

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article t,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article et,
Maxprop wrote:
Sure, you go thru a scanner....do you need have your details
transmitted to US Custome when you board an aircraft so they can have
a full check done on you by the time you arrive?
Do you get fingerprinted on each arrival in the US?
Do you need to advise Immigration where you'll be spending your time
in the US?

US citizens aren't subjected to those things.

At least not yet.

You might be right. Everything today seems to be carried to extremes for
some reason. Between the media fear mongering and the political
finger-pointing, this home security thing will continue to expand to
levels
we can't even imagine right now.


Just remember, if it saves 1 life, it's worth it.

It's only worth it if it saves *my* life.

Okay, maybe Scotty's, too.

Max