In article ,
Scotty wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in

Well, I took a long slide on ice once with my Jeep... part
of the road
flooded then froze over.. maybe 100 feet or so.. just put
it in
reverse and gently applied some gas. Came to stop without
hitting the
pole at the end of the road.


I hit a 300' long patch of ice coming down Grapevine one
year. Started to slide, into a jackknife, hammered down,
wheels spinning like crazy, just enough to stay slightly
ahead of the trailer, finally hit some plowed snow and
straightened out. Whew! that was some ride! I was looking
for a soft place to crash.

Do you have runaway truck ramps? Of course, that doesn't help if
you jackknife.

I'm always amazed by the bozos who cut off big rigs... what are they
thinking?? Is another 15 seconds worth it...


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In article ,
Bob Crantz wrote:
Your CJ7 is really 2 WD unless it has LSD (limited slip differentials) or
locking differentials. If you stop on an slick icy road going uphill and try
to take off again you never will in "4WD" or "2WD" with conventional
differentials.

Mine had locking hubs, which meant I had to get the f*ck out every
time I wanted to switch back and forth.

Conventional differentials turn the wheel with the least resistance, they're
useless in real slick going, even if you have 4WD.

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:10:34 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

Your CJ7 is really 2 WD unless it has LSD (limited slip differentials) or
locking differentials. If you stop on an slick icy road going uphill and
try
to take off again you never will in "4WD" or "2WD" with conventional
differentials.

Conventional differentials turn the wheel with the least resistance,
they're
useless in real slick going, even if you have 4WD.


I assure you that my old CJ2a had 4 wheel drive!



It was called four wheel drive, but only two wheels are driven. If you think
otherwise here's the schematics of the differentials for a CJ2A:

http://www.thecj2apage.com/om10.html

Show me either the limited slip clutches or the differential locking
mechanism. Hint: there aren't any.

It's a real simple test, put the thing up on blocks (4 wheels off the
ground). Stop one wheel and the opposite one on the same axle will turn when
put into gear. True 4WD will have all wheels turn, if you try to stop one
the vehicle will stall. I've worked on CJ2A'a and used one for snow plowing
for a short while.

It's only 4 wheel drive if the load on each wheel per axle is the same.
Float one tire on each axle and you're not going anywhere, it's not driving
the wheels in contact with the ground.

Amen!

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
I'm just judging what Robboid has said. It is true,
sometimes plowed roads
are worse than unplowed.

Yeah, and sometimes a fire isn't hot.

SV

http://www.pps.net.au/4wdencounter/a...difflocks.html


"A 'normal' differential transmits drive to both wheels equally when they
receive equal traction, but when one wheel loses traction, the diff actually
transmits more drive to that wheel. Hence you can become stuck in 2WD with
only one wheel bogged. Similairly, when in 4WD you can be bogged with one
front and one rear wheel without traction. So your 4WD is really only a 2WD,
with one front and one rear wheel providing all forward momentum."

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Scotty wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in

Well, I took a long slide on ice once with my Jeep...
part
of the road
flooded then froze over.. maybe 100 feet or so.. just
put
it in
reverse and gently applied some gas. Came to stop
without
hitting the
pole at the end of the road.


I hit a 300' long patch of ice coming down Grapevine one
year. Started to slide, into a jackknife, hammered
down,
wheels spinning like crazy, just enough to stay slightly
ahead of the trailer, finally hit some plowed snow and
straightened out. Whew! that was some ride! I was
looking
for a soft place to crash.

Do you have runaway truck ramps? Of course, that doesn't
help if
you jackknife.


yes, I never had to use one. !,555,000 accident free miles.


I'm always amazed by the bozos who cut off big rigs...
what are they
thinking??

they're not.

S

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

I'm always amazed by the bozos who cut off big rigs...
what are they
thinking??

people like Bob, who thinks unplowed roads are better,
prolly also think the more wheels you have the better you
can stop. Also, people like Bob think they know how to
drive, they don't.

S

"Mys Terry" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:12:32 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:



http://www.pps.net.au/4wdencounter/a...difflocks.html


"A 'normal' differential transmits drive to both wheels
equally when they
receive equal traction, but when one wheel loses
traction, the diff actually
transmits more drive to that wheel. Hence you can become
stuck in 2WD with
only one wheel bogged. Similairly, when in 4WD you can be
bogged with one
front and one rear wheel without traction. So your 4WD is
really only a 2WD,
with one front and one rear wheel providing all forward
momentum."


Clearly, you do not know much of anything about 4 wheel
drive, or what the term
actually means.

Is your Hundai Sonatra "one wheel drive"?


My BMW is.

S

In article ,
Scotty wrote:
My BMW is.

And, you don't need chains in deep snow.

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:12:32 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


http://www.pps.net.au/4wdencounter/a...difflocks.html


"A 'normal' differential transmits drive to both wheels equally when they
receive equal traction, but when one wheel loses traction, the diff
actually
transmits more drive to that wheel. Hence you can become stuck in 2WD with
only one wheel bogged. Similairly, when in 4WD you can be bogged with one
front and one rear wheel without traction. So your 4WD is really only a
2WD,
with one front and one rear wheel providing all forward momentum."


Clearly, you do not know much of anything about 4 wheel drive, or what the
term
actually means.



I guess not and neither do the guys at ARB lockers.

So tell us about Jeep windshields again.


Is your Hundai Sonatra "one wheel drive"?







Mys Terry