Rob:

I have no idea as I pay no more attention to them than to old Irwins or
old Ventures. It just looked lightly built with light guage aluminum
toerails that looked to be fastened with undersized rivets.

I have no idea as I pay no more attention to them than to old Irwins or

old Ventures. It just looked lightly built with light guage aluminum
toerails that looked to be fastened with undersized rivets.


Well, now we can all know you're full of it. You noticed the rivets,
but not the BOAT? Oh, okay. How did you judge the rivent size...by the
heads? Did you pull one out to see it's diameter? Did you know that the
first series 35s5 has the toe rail fastened through the hull joint and
backed with SS fittings? Other builders simply bed the toe rail
(Typicall) through a cored deck with backing plates...which is weaker
and prone to leaks. Beneteau's method means fewer holes in the deck
(less leaks) and a stronger toe rail.

I'm really interested to hear your measured and studied response to the
above!


RB
35s5
NY

And of course you saw no rivets that were undersized....the Beneteau
first series 35s5 doesn't use rivets.
Next!


RB
35s5
NY

Sure looked like rivets to me, aluminum ones at that. Being an
engineer/physics person, construction details interest me, boat length
means little to me as I already have a boat although I might build a
smaller one.
Its possible the rivets were SS but they sure looked to have the same
finish as the toe rail. The toe rail was definitely light guage.

"Capt. Rob" wrote:

And of course you saw no rivets that were undersized....the Beneteau
first series 35s5 doesn't use rivets.\

That's what I thought, they use SS screws and nuts with washers do they
not? However I seem to recall earlier Bennies with rivits.

Cheers
Marty

That's what I thought, they use SS screws and nuts with washers do they

not? However I seem to recall earlier Bennies with rivits.


Anything's possible, but every first series I've seen had SS screws and
that's going back to the early First 38's. This fellow claimed he saw a
first series, then claimed it had undersized rivets after saying he
didn't know which boat he was actually on. All had toe rails that
looked identical to any others I'd had on my C&C. He claims to be an
engineer person, yet he was able to judge the rivets as undersized with
only seeing the tops and doesn't even know what they were made of,
except that they were finished to match the rail.
Yeah...some engineer type. Keep him away from my boat. I wonder what
kind of boat he'll claim to own.


RB
35s5
NY

Rob:

I own an olod 28' S2

I assume you mean the 8.6. Never heard an S2 owner call their boat a 28
or 36? Welcome to the world of the leakiest windows in the free world.
I have turned down 3 S2's for brokerage due to water damage from those
ports. Otherwise an okay boat though even slower than John's Catalina
28. Not my cup of tea...left all that stuff behind with my Catalina
27...thank god!

RB
35s5
NY

There is a relation between rivet head size and rivet diameter in the
industry. Just like the relation between screw diameter and minimum screw
hole depth.

http://www.erivet.co.uk/standards.htm

http://www.mesteel.com/cgi-bin/w3-ms...s_fastener.htm

http://www.eos.org.eg/web_en/cat/21.060.40.html

Dave is a good engineer.

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
That's what I thought, they use SS screws and nuts with washers do they

not? However I seem to recall earlier Bennies with rivits.


Anything's possible, but every first series I've seen had SS screws and
that's going back to the early First 38's. This fellow claimed he saw a
first series, then claimed it had undersized rivets after saying he
didn't know which boat he was actually on. All had toe rails that
looked identical to any others I'd had on my C&C. He claims to be an
engineer person, yet he was able to judge the rivets as undersized with
only seeing the tops and doesn't even know what they were made of,
except that they were finished to match the rail.
Yeah...some engineer type. Keep him away from my boat. I wonder what
kind of boat he'll claim to own.


RB
35s5
NY

Right you are Marty,

The early models used the rivets and were a source of trouble. They
changed over to the bolts. Seems to have cured the problems???