All the years I owned my boat I never once looked up her rating cuz I
never wanted to race. However, recently, she did go from Clearwater to
Shell Pt, Fl under sail, 130 miles in just under 28 hours which is
pretty good for a 28' sailboat for that far.
Rob seems so concerned about how hard his rod is and how long his
"boat" is its funny. We all havta compensate for our "shortcomings"
somehow but mostly we arent so obvious.
Seein that he's so into "style", not that theres anything wrong with
that, he oughta jes git some copies of GQ and put em next to the head.
His buddies would all feel at home.

Bob Crantz wrote:
When it comes to engineering I'd trust his opinion over yours.
You can only rely on other's opinions and experience or very simple first
observations on your part.

I don't think Bubbles can make any observations at all,
outside the Matrix.

You can't deal in higher order abstractions or the application of principles
to problems.
In short, you have the problem solving skills of a chimpanzee.


Nah, any chimpanzee would have better grasp of principle &
more relevant technical info off the top of his head.

DSK

OTOH, mine is old and worn out from use and sometimes sorta slow.
These have never been problems.

When it comes to engineering I'd trust his opinion over yours.


Yep...trust the guy who observed rivets that may or may not have been
SS on a boat he can't idenitify....though he somehow recalls it's a 1st
series Beneteu, which did not have rivets.

Sorry, Bob. Wrong wagon to hitch onto.

RB
35s5
NY

don't think Bubbles can make any observations at all,
outside the Matrix.

I can make two very valid observations!

1) Your last cruising boat was a Hunter 19!!!!
2) Your current cruising boat is a powerboat!!!!

Okie dokie!!! Sorry, Doug.

RB
35s5
NY

The early models used the rivets and were a source of trouble. They
changed over to the bolts. Seems to have cured the problems???

Even this wrong, Beneteau CONTINUES to use rivets on boats like the 352
built as recently as 2000. But not on ANY modern first series boats
ever.
You clowns just don't get that a First series is not a Oceanus, a
Mercedes is not a Chrysler and a Lincoln Town car is not a Pinto.

The more you all chatter, the more certain it is that you know nothing
about these boats or even your own.

RB
35s5
NY

Bob is actually a good guy. He just likes to troll everyone with his boat.
But look at what he is getting: others are researching his boat for him,
providing him with information, good/bad critcism, etc. In a twisted way the
topics are sailing related, there is learning on both sides.
If you don't take it personally, it is entertaining and educational. I do
have to hand it to Bob, he puts himself out there, mistakes and all, takes
it all in stride and keeps coming back. You have to admit that he is right a
good number of times.
He does have a "nice" boat and it is fast. Whether it's "better" than anyone
else's is a matter of opinion based upon individual criteria.
Those Beneteau owners must be in a tither with him as point man for the
bunch! Thank God he doesn't own a Pacific Seacraft.
I am concerned, though, about the light air Western Long Island Sound PHRF
for his boat. It knocks it somewhere in the 160 range. Ouch!

Amen!


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All the years I owned my boat I never once looked up her rating cuz I
never wanted to race. However, recently, she did go from Clearwater to
Shell Pt, Fl under sail, 130 miles in just under 28 hours which is
pretty good for a 28' sailboat for that far.
Rob seems so concerned about how hard his rod is and how long his
"boat" is its funny. We all havta compensate for our "shortcomings"
somehow but mostly we arent so obvious.
Seein that he's so into "style", not that theres anything wrong with
that, he oughta jes git some copies of GQ and put em next to the head.
His buddies would all feel at home.

Capt. Rob wrote:
I never heard anybody call the 8.5 M S2 slow. Interesting, is the 8.6
that different?

Maybe everyone you know sails Coronado 27s.
On the LIS your boat is rated 192. That's slow. A C&C 27 rates a 180. A
Cal 28-2 rates 180. Hunter 28.5 rates 183. J 28 rates 177. Tartan 28
rates 180.
Need I go on?


RB
35s5
NY

I thought you had something to do to keep you busy?

Capt. Rob wrote:
The early models used the rivets and were a source of trouble. They
changed over to the bolts. Seems to have cured the problems???

Even this wrong, Beneteau CONTINUES to use rivets on boats like the 352
built as recently as 2000. But not on ANY modern first series boats
ever.
You clowns just don't get that a First series is not a Oceanus, a
Mercedes is not a Chrysler and a Lincoln Town car is not a Pinto.

The more you all chatter, the more certain it is that you know nothing
about these boats or even your own.

RB
35s5
NY

Why on Yachtworld are the Oceanus generally more money than similarly
sized and aged Firsts?

You are not comparing Mercedes and Lincolns, your comparing K cars and
Reliants.

I'm having fun. In a few days I'll leave to sail south again.