It's really a shame that some immature idiots use this news group to
brag about their boats rather than contributing anything of any real
note or use to anyone other than their own egos.

One would have to wonder why you need to brag so much and what you're
trying to compensate for...

On 2005-12-10 06:26:49 -0500, "Capt. Rob" said:


Well let's see how the tally is going.....

The 35s5 has a big proper racing wheel. The Express 30 has a small
wheel that is hard to reach from the high side.
The 35s5 has ports that stay in place. Express 30 has famed pop-outs
that are glued in place!
The 35s5 is the faster boat!
The 35s5 has a far nicer cabin with air conditioning. The Depress 30
cabin looks like something from the 70's!
The 35s5 has a swim platform with hidden ladder, while the Express 30
has a exposed ladder! Oh boy.
The 35s5 has a larger cockpit and better deckspace!
The 35s5 has an aft cabin! Some Depress 30's didn't even have a quarter
berth!
The 35s5 has a large head. The Depress 30 often has a porta potti and
barely room for the knees. Some heads were wide open to the V-berth,
like Sloco's boat! Yikes!
The 35s5 is a pretty boat with lines. The Express 30 is blocky and hard
looking, a fairly ugly boat under sail.
The 35s5 won boat of the year design awards and was featured in MOMA
Magazine for it's inovative interior. The Express 30 won no awards and
there are fewer wins online for it.
The 35s5 has won many races and sold over 400 hulls worldwide. The
Express 30 sold an embarassing 100 hulls or less!
The 35s5 features Whitlock steering. The Depress 30 relies on coat
hangers!
The 35s5 features good ventalation via opening ports. The Depress 30 is
a floating microwave.

Of course there's much more, but I have a 102 fever! I'm going back to
bed.


RB
35s5...the best boat on ASA
NY

In article 2005121108543716807-dog@nomailcom, dog wrote:
It's really a shame that some immature idiots use this news group to
brag about their boats rather than contributing anything of any real
note or use to anyone other than their own egos.

Is it just me, or can someone else find the fault in the previous
statement? :-)

One would have to wonder why you need to brag so much and what you're
trying to compensate for...

You have to Wonder? Good one!!
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

assume you mean the failed boat picked up by Ericson after Pacific

went under. The interior is nicer than yours, but it's still nowhere
near what we have now..

That's right Boobie stay away from the point of the post. Just discuss
the interior. Forget the fact the really nice thirty foot 911S runs at
the same speed as your "semi planing 35 footer" You look stupid
knocking the 911S. Knowledgable people consider it a great boat. The
mid eighties were tough for smaller builders.

35s5 ......... not very fast for a 35 footer.

That's right Boobie stay away from the point of the post. Just discuss

the interior.


It's hilarious that you continue to act as though a boat's interior is
in no way important. Why did you get a cruiser then? We should all have
crappy interiors because you do? I do like the 911s, certainly a lot
nicer than your boat, but too small for our needs. Why didn't you buy
one?

RB
35s5
NY

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:59:30 +1100, OzOne wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:58:40 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
scribbled thusly:


I'm not wrong, Robert. Pull down the headliner and look at what is
actually
there. A real rollbar would be 2 to 3 inches in diameter. Where did they
hide
it?

Ummmm, you honestly believe that rollover protection needs to be made
from tube?
Bwaaahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhaaaa!


You are a fool. There's no way around that fact.

Here's one way: make the car a thin shelled sphere. Perfect roll over
protection with minimal metal. The point being, it's the design of the
integrated car that defines roll over protection, not some big
Nascar-greaser roll bar. Are you an old greaser?

Go back to the 1960's with your big metal tubular roll bars. Are there roll
bars in tanks? Humvees?

Amen!



Bwahaha all you want. You are still a low life.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:37:55 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:59:30 +1100, OzOne wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:58:40 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
scribbled thusly:


I'm not wrong, Robert. Pull down the headliner and look at what is
actually
there. A real rollbar would be 2 to 3 inches in diameter. Where did
they
hide
it?

Ummmm, you honestly believe that rollover protection needs to be made
from tube?
Bwaaahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhaaaa!


You are a fool. There's no way around that fact.

Here's one way: make the car a thin shelled sphere. Perfect roll over
protection with minimal metal. The point being, it's the design of the
integrated car that defines roll over protection, not some big
Nascar-greaser roll bar.

Which is essentially what I said, Babs.

Are you an old greaser?

Go back to the 1960's with your big metal tubular roll bars. Are there
roll
bars in tanks? Humvees?


Modern cars are made as light as possible to help them achieve better
mileage.
Despite the increasing use of electronics in cars, note the ever shrinking
batteries as an example of this. Bob's car does not have anything in it's
roof
that would eliminate the need for the windshield to be a vital part of the
roof
support system in a rollover.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

The windshield is raked at a good angle. If it was in a purely
compressionable mode, it would be part of the structure. However, since a
roll over is not controllable it would tend to experience tensile forces. In
other words, don't count on it.

The Tribeca is built like a tank.

http://www.allpar.com/reviews/wrangler.html

Fold down windshield.





"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:19:38 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:37:55 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:59:30 +1100, OzOne wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:58:40 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
scribbled thusly:


I'm not wrong, Robert. Pull down the headliner and look at what is
actually
there. A real rollbar would be 2 to 3 inches in diameter. Where
did
they
hide
it?

Ummmm, you honestly believe that rollover protection needs to be
made
from tube?
Bwaaahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhaaaa!


You are a fool. There's no way around that fact.

Here's one way: make the car a thin shelled sphere. Perfect roll over
protection with minimal metal. The point being, it's the design of the
integrated car that defines roll over protection, not some big
Nascar-greaser roll bar.

Which is essentially what I said, Babs.

Are you an old greaser?

Go back to the 1960's with your big metal tubular roll bars. Are there
roll
bars in tanks? Humvees?


Modern cars are made as light as possible to help them achieve better
mileage.
Despite the increasing use of electronics in cars, note the ever
shrinking
batteries as an example of this. Bob's car does not have anything in
it's
roof
that would eliminate the need for the windshield to be a vital part of
the
roof
support system in a rollover.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

The windshield is raked at a good angle. If it was in a purely
compressionable mode, it would be part of the structure. However, since a
roll over is not controllable it would tend to experience tensile forces.
In
other words, don't count on it.

The Tribeca is built like a tank.


None of that matters. What matters is that you can't sell the car in
the U.S. unless the windshield is bonded to the car, and helps support
the roof. Of course it's not a guarantee that it will support the roof
no matter what happens. Seat belts and air bags are no gaurantee
either. The government still says they have to be there if you want to
sell the car.


Commodore Joe Redcloud©

In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
http://www.allpar.com/reviews/wrangler.html

Fold down windshield.

My CJ-7 had that. It was a nice feature when off-roading. You had to
be careful though..

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:50:29 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

http://www.allpar.com/reviews/wrangler.html

Fold down windshield.



Yes, and not surprisingly, you cannot buy one without the mandatory
thick tubular steel padded roll bars!


KABLAM!


Commodore Joe Redcloud©

Obviously you are well versed in auto safety. What insurance company did you
work for?

I can still find many exceptions to your rule!

JAX!!!!?????.... is that you? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaahaaaaa!!

"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
None of that matters. What matters is that you can't sell the car in
the U.S. unless the windshield is bonded to the car, and helps support
the roof. Of course it's not a guarantee that it will support the roof
no matter what happens. Seat belts and air bags are no gaurantee
either. The government still says they have to be there if you want to
sell the car.


Commodore Joe Redcloud©