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"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:19:38 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:37:55 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:59:30 +1100, OzOne wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:58:40 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
scribbled thusly:


I'm not wrong, Robert. Pull down the headliner and look at what is
actually
there. A real rollbar would be 2 to 3 inches in diameter. Where
did
they
hide
it?

Ummmm, you honestly believe that rollover protection needs to be
made
from tube?
Bwaaahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhaaaa!


You are a fool. There's no way around that fact.

Here's one way: make the car a thin shelled sphere. Perfect roll over
protection with minimal metal. The point being, it's the design of the
integrated car that defines roll over protection, not some big
Nascar-greaser roll bar.

Which is essentially what I said, Babs.

Are you an old greaser?

Go back to the 1960's with your big metal tubular roll bars. Are there
roll
bars in tanks? Humvees?


Modern cars are made as light as possible to help them achieve better
mileage.
Despite the increasing use of electronics in cars, note the ever
shrinking
batteries as an example of this. Bob's car does not have anything in
it's
roof
that would eliminate the need for the windshield to be a vital part of
the
roof
support system in a rollover.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

The windshield is raked at a good angle. If it was in a purely
compressionable mode, it would be part of the structure. However, since a
roll over is not controllable it would tend to experience tensile forces.
In
other words, don't count on it.

The Tribeca is built like a tank.


None of that matters. What matters is that you can't sell the car in
the U.S. unless the windshield is bonded to the car, and helps support
the roof. Of course it's not a guarantee that it will support the roof
no matter what happens. Seat belts and air bags are no gaurantee
either. The government still says they have to be there if you want to
sell the car.


Commodore Joe Redcloud©