DSK wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

The 35s5 has a nice chart table....quite large and ample with stowage
below for charts and nav tools.


That's good. So, you won't be hitting any more rocks within sight of
your slip, when you have a serious & manly nav table like that?


Table retracted:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/23.JPG


Oops! It's retractable??!?

Excuse me, I have to go clean the coffee off my desk.

DSK

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important is
a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are plotting
visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And who plots
fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just where we store
the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just fold the chart
and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important
is
a proper nav table?


For MOST sailers (and no one here would ever admit to being one of
those!) a nav table is not needed. Charts can be spread out just as
well and often better on the main table. A lot of nav station surfaces
look great, but are too small, even on pricey new boats.

RB
35s5
NY

I'm not sure I completely agree. I like to be near the instruments when
doing chart work. Size-wise, the table is fine, but a proper chart table
seems pretty important to me. On the boat I teach on, we never fold down the
table.. too much hassle, but I do ask students to do plots.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important
is
a proper nav table?


For MOST sailers (and no one here would ever admit to being one of
those!) a nav table is not needed. Charts can be spread out just as
well and often better on the main table. A lot of nav station surfaces
look great, but are too small, even on pricey new boats.

RB
35s5
NY

Gary wrote:

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important is
a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are plotting
visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And who plots
fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just where we store
the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just fold the chart
and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?

I've never used the chart table on my boat for charting - it holds the
CD changer and all the other little gadgets. The seat is usually
filled with gear we're too lazy to stow. The saloon table has all the
space needed, plus much better visibility if I wanted to do nav below.

Of course, my boat has a hard top and forward steering, so its
effectively a pilothouse. There's enough room to spread out a chart
at the helm and even do a running fix in good weather. But not many
would bother to do that nowadays. And in fact, I'm probably in the
minority in that I favor paper charts over GPS and computers.

Chart tables are nice only in that they create a separate area for
certain gear away from the main living space. I'm sure that some use
it for actual navigation, but its no longer a necessity.

Jeff wrote:
Gary wrote:


Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important
is a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are
plotting visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And
who plots fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just
where we store the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just
fold the chart and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?


I've never used the chart table on my boat for charting - it holds the
CD changer and all the other little gadgets. The seat is usually filled
with gear we're too lazy to stow. The saloon table has all the space
needed, plus much better visibility if I wanted to do nav below.

Of course, my boat has a hard top and forward steering, so its
effectively a pilothouse. There's enough room to spread out a chart at
the helm and even do a running fix in good weather. But not many would
bother to do that nowadays. And in fact, I'm probably in the minority
in that I favor paper charts over GPS and computers.

Chart tables are nice only in that they create a separate area for
certain gear away from the main living space. I'm sure that some use it
for actual navigation, but its no longer a necessity.
I find it funny that folks equate a large chart table with an offshore
boat. When I'm offshore I put a couple fizes a day on the chart. It
doesn't half to be laid out all the time. There is nothing to hit!
It's in pilotage waters that they become more critical and I like to
have it on the cockpit seat beside me unless it's raining. (And I do
have a pilothouse)

Gary, do you have pics of your boat? Did you post them?

Scotty



"Gary" wrote

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How
important is
a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are
plotting
visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And
who plots
fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just where
we store
the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just fold
the chart
and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?

Scotty wrote:
Gary, do you have pics of your boat? Did you post them?

Scotty



"Gary" wrote

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How

important is

a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are

plotting

visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And

who plots

fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just where

we store

the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just fold

the chart

and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?



No I haven't posted any but there is one of it on the Bill Garden
website at:
http://www.wholeboat.net/index.php?o...2&key=22&hit=1
It's actually a Truant 33 not a 37. The owners of the website have it
wrong.
Now you guys can hack my boat.

"Gary" wrote i



No I haven't posted any but there is one of it on the Bill
Garden
website at:

http://www.wholeboat.net/index.php?o...Itemid=46&page
=view&catid=2&PageNo=2&key=22&hit=1
It's actually a Truant 33 not a 37. The owners of the website
have it
wrong.
Now you guys can hack my boat.


Not the best pic, but looks like a nice boat. Why 'Plumper'?

What about the big boat?

Scotty

Scotty wrote:
"Gary" wrote i



No I haven't posted any but there is one of it on the Bill

Garden

website at:


http://www.wholeboat.net/index.php?o...Itemid=46&page
=view&catid=2&PageNo=2&key=22&hit=1

It's actually a Truant 33 not a 37. The owners of the website

have it

wrong.
Now you guys can hack my boat.



Not the best pic, but looks like a nice boat. Why 'Plumper'?

What about the big boat?

Scotty


HMS (Her Majesty's Ship) Plumper was the first survey ship on the west
coast of Canada. There are many topographic and oceanographic features
named after it and her crew. Plumper Sound, Bedwell Harbour etc. One
of the previous owners of Plumper II was an Oceangrapher and he named
the boat. It is registered in the Canadian List of Ships and I like the
story. Besides, it's about $500 to change the name of a ship.

The big boat I command is at:
www.navy.gc.ca/oriole
The history is all on that website.

"Gary" wrote in message
news:e%8jf.660006$tl2.197859@pd7tw3no...

The big boat I command is at:
www.navy.gc.ca/oriole
The history is all on that website.


Beautiful boat! I envy your job.

Scotty