Gary wrote:

Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important is
a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are plotting
visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And who plots
fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just where we store
the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just fold the chart
and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?

I've never used the chart table on my boat for charting - it holds the
CD changer and all the other little gadgets. The seat is usually
filled with gear we're too lazy to stow. The saloon table has all the
space needed, plus much better visibility if I wanted to do nav below.

Of course, my boat has a hard top and forward steering, so its
effectively a pilothouse. There's enough room to spread out a chart
at the helm and even do a running fix in good weather. But not many
would bother to do that nowadays. And in fact, I'm probably in the
minority in that I favor paper charts over GPS and computers.

Chart tables are nice only in that they create a separate area for
certain gear away from the main living space. I'm sure that some use
it for actual navigation, but its no longer a necessity.

"DSK" wrote in message
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Capt.Mooron wrote:

The nav table on the Nordica 30 is to stbrd at the companionway.

I bet it's not "retractable" either!

Nope... solid teak, lift the lid to access the plotting equipment. Charts
are rolled and stored under the table in a compartment designed for that
purpose. The new extension mates to the original table and has the
electrical/electronic /batteries under the lid, in 3 separate shelves.

CM

Do you anticipate any problems when one person needs to cook and the other
needs to do chart work? I like the idea of saving space, but I'm not sure
I'd like a chart table that is over the stove. Also, when cooking, what do
you do about keeping the steam away from the instruments?

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Mooron, I think you missed my query on the Nordica 30's nav station.
Being a proper seaboat, she must have a nav station with a well sized
chart table. Can I see a pic?

The 35s5 has a nice chart table....quite large and ample with stowage
below for charts and nav tools.

Table retracted:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/23.JPG

Table full:
http://www.floridaboats.net/images/3.../slides/24.JPG

I don't see a nav station in any Nordica 30 pics...probably just the
angle or some interiors screwed up by owners.


RB
35s5
NY

I'm not sure I completely agree. I like to be near the instruments when
doing chart work. Size-wise, the table is fine, but a proper chart table
seems pretty important to me. On the boat I teach on, we never fold down the
table.. too much hassle, but I do ask students to do plots.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important
is
a proper nav table?


For MOST sailers (and no one here would ever admit to being one of
those!) a nav table is not needed. Charts can be spread out just as
well and often better on the main table. A lot of nav station surfaces
look great, but are too small, even on pricey new boats.

RB
35s5
NY

OzOne wrote in message

Was it not you who had no need for paper charts with your
sophisticated GPS and compass?

None of which he has a clue on how to operate......

CM

Jeff wrote:
Gary wrote:


Interesting point on "proper seaboats and Nav tables". How important
is a proper nav table? I am of the opinion that unless you are
plotting visual/astro fixes, a big nav table is a waste of space. And
who plots fixes these days? The nav table on my 102 footer is just
where we store the charts and sit our coffees. On my 33 footer I just
fold the chart and hold it in my hand or watch the laptop.

Comments?


I've never used the chart table on my boat for charting - it holds the
CD changer and all the other little gadgets. The seat is usually filled
with gear we're too lazy to stow. The saloon table has all the space
needed, plus much better visibility if I wanted to do nav below.

Of course, my boat has a hard top and forward steering, so its
effectively a pilothouse. There's enough room to spread out a chart at
the helm and even do a running fix in good weather. But not many would
bother to do that nowadays. And in fact, I'm probably in the minority
in that I favor paper charts over GPS and computers.

Chart tables are nice only in that they create a separate area for
certain gear away from the main living space. I'm sure that some use it
for actual navigation, but its no longer a necessity.
I find it funny that folks equate a large chart table with an offshore
boat. When I'm offshore I put a couple fizes a day on the chart. It
doesn't half to be laid out all the time. There is nothing to hit!
It's in pilotage waters that they become more critical and I like to
have it on the cockpit seat beside me unless it's raining. (And I do
have a pilothouse)

Was it not you who had no need for paper charts with your
sophisticated GPS and compass?

Nope. We always used paper charts.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Was it not you who had no need for paper charts with your
sophisticated GPS and compass?

Nope. We always used paper charts.

Used as what? If you really used a chart, you wouldn't have hit a
rock a mile from your slip.

OzOne wrote in message

Solid teak?

Not the shelves.... those are maple.

The extension top was cut, glued, clamped and planed [ 4 - 6" x1/2"x24"
planks of salvaged teak] The enclosure under the extension table is G2S
marine grade oak ply with teak veneer I applied myself. Heh...

The original chart table is solid teak ...yes.

CM

Used as what? If you really used a chart, you wouldn't have hit a
rock a mile from your slip.


Even your trolls are silly. Charts never kept anyone from hitting
bottom on occasion.

RB
35s5
NY