Capt. Rob wrote:
Do you really think anyone believes your "I bought it for half price
and then sold it for triple" stories? Gawd, what a jackass!

Uh, this is your response to the boats that were "raced hard?"

No. It was a response to your claim that you paid less than what was
paid for all the bene's that had fallen apart already.

And speaking of falling apart, how's this for that warm and fuzzy feeling?
http://www.beneteau235.com/f235_rudder.htm



Gee, I think doing 12 to 14 knots for a few hours straight is a lot
of
fun. So is doing 100 miles in a day.

This was probably Doug's reasoning to buy a powerboat. You're actually
suggesting that sailing your boat is as entertaining as sailing a fast
monohull?

You've never sailed a cat at speed, so what do you know?

Or as challenging? Puh-lease!

You've already claimed that you didn't know how to sail the cat.
They're not for everyone, you actually have to know how to sail.

But still, riding a high performance boat for 30 minutes is different
from a 50 mile spinnaker run. Someday, if your health improves, you
may be able to do something like that.

....

So keep trying to claim you have the best boat ever made, Booby.

Never said that, Jeff. I said it was the best boat here. And that's a
fact. You're not taking your PDQ any distances now. Have you used it
much this season?

I've said a number of times that the cat is a bit of overkill for how
we use it now. However, we're already planning our next long trip, it
may only be a couple of years off. And we're still arranging the
schedule for next summer, but we want 3-4 weeks in Maine so we can get
Down East again.

And yes, we did use it a lot this season. We were out for 6 weeks
plus a couple of weekends. We had guests join us for more than one
night on three occasions. None had ever spent a night on a boat
before. With 3 generous staterooms everyone gets a quality berth.
Every night was spent at anchor or on a mooring, most meals were
prepared on board. We have no A/C and yet, it was never horrific.

A fast fun monohull like mine would suit you better.

No, it wouldn't, not a chance. You just don't understand the type of
boating we do. We went out for two daysails last summer, one was a
"tuneup" and the other was with an old friend who is so agoraphobic
she wouldn't go out of sight of the downtown waterfront. (It actually
a big step - the first time she's been out with us in about 15 years!)

Every other sail was for a cruise that took us 50 to 150 miles away.
Although there were a number of small hops, the "traveling days"
averaged 50 miles. We traveled almost every day we had planned, only
adjusting for hurricane remnants. If the wind was light, we powered,
otherwise we sailed. If the wind was strong and the seas rough, we
still forged ahead. (Now that I think of it, I can't remember a time
that we went out and then completely punted on the day.)

Much of the time we were hanging out in places like Hadley's Harbor,
Red Brook, Vineyard Haven, P'town, or Misery Island. We had our
rowing/sailing dink, plus a tandem kayak with us. We got to swim and
play, the dog swam and ran on the beach every day ... we had a blast.
And being able to bring a friend makes all the difference for our
daughter!

What if we had your boat? The traveling would have taken longer. On
those several days when the ride was rough we would have had a really
nasty ride. I can drive my boat for 6 hours in any weather and still
feel refreshed, you can't do that on your boat. Maybe your boat would
be more fun for some of the sailing; it would be a lot less fun other
times. A daysailor gets to say it doesn't look like a good day. When
you come out of the Cape Cod Canal and there's no turning back, and no
harbor for 20 miles, you have to be able to take what it gives.

And when you get to your destination, which boat is more comfortable?
Its not even close. You spend virtually all your time either tied up
at the marina or sailing, then you go home. We spend the great
majority of our time swinging at an anchor. Good grief! You've been
touting A/C as a replacement for ventilation! You've been bragging
about an electric stove!

I appreciate that having a baby has slowed you down some. But even
the year after ours was born we still went to the Vineyard in our 30
footer.

Mooron can make a case because he likes full keelers. And here's
another thing that sucks about your boat: It offers no workout. When we
took out the 35s5 we found we could sail it easy, or push things an get
a real workout on her. Can you do that with the PDQ?

So now you're complaining that my boat is too easy to sail fast? OK,
sure, that's part of what I like about it. I can raise the chute and
be doing over 10 knots without breaking a sweat. If I want excitement
I do it singlehanded.

I considered that a great advantage - your boat can almost keep up
with mine in winds over 12 knots, but only if you have a crew to
handle the chute. Racers are measured by what they can do with 6
people on board; cruisers often only have 1 on deck.


Sure, set up a
Bowflex on the deck. Sorry, Jeff. We like sailing and the work and
"discomforts" associated with that. To us the PDQ was about as
interesting as a Trawler.

You just didn't sail it. I doubt you were on it at all. Did you
raise the chute? What kind was it?



And what makes you think I have no sense of humor?

Because you've yet to compliment me on my wit and skills trolling this
group. You actually have no idea who I am or even if I have a
boat...yet all of you scamper around me like frustrated seal pups! And
THAT'S funny!

Sorry bob, you're the one who's been on the hook all this time. For
every post I've made, you've done ten. And you're still stuck with a
bendy toy!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!



RB ...a better boob
NY

No. It was a response to your claim that you paid less than what was
paid for all the bene's that had fallen apart already.

Actually, we paid about the same or less. But the fact that many people
who want to race the boat and could care less about cushions has a lot
to do with that.

So now you're complaining that my boat is too easy to sail fast?


Easy as in boring = dull. Yup. Just buy a powerboat.

I've said a number of times that the cat is a bit of overkill for
how
we use it now.

Well that's honest. So now we can all agree that we have the better
boat for our purposes. Thanks, it's the point I've been trying to make
all along.

And when you get to your destination, which boat is more comfortable?

Its not even close.

Generally the larger one, which is yours. Bart, Gary and Ozzy also have
larger boats. But it's not what WE need.

I can raise the chute and
be doing over 10 knots without breaking a sweat. If I want excitement
I do it singlehanded.

Bwahahahahahhahahahaha! Oh man that is reallllly funnny!


Sorry bob, you're the one who's been on the hook all this time.

And yet I start just about EVERY thread with the intention of provoking
these debates again and again. In fact, they're just about ALL started
by me and the ones that aren't are ABOUT me...like this one!
Get a clue, stop sniffing glue, Jeff! You're not only on my hook and in
my net...your swimming in my ocean! Even Mooron would have to admit
that.

And you're still stuck with a
bendy toy!

It's a little late for that sort of post and insult Donal's or my boat.
You already said twice that it was a good choice.
So you LIKE my boat and I DON'T like yours. Whatsda bigga deal, eh?
Just live with it!


RB
35s5....on my own hook!
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:


I've said a number of times that the cat is a bit of overkill for
how
we use it now.

Well that's honest. So now we can all agree that we have the better
boat for our purposes. Thanks, it's the point I've been trying to make
all along.

Way to go Bob, you snipped everything about how we actually spent 6
weeks on the boat last summer.

How much time did you spend on your boat???

What's that? I can't hear you?




And when you get to your destination, which boat is more comfortable?

Its not even close.

Generally the larger one, which is yours. Bart, Gary and Ozzy also have
larger boats. But it's not what WE need.

So mow you're measuring my boat by what you need? What's the point of
that? Did I ever claim my boat would be better for you?

....



And you're still stuck with a
bendy toy!

It's a little late for that sort of post and insult Donal's or my boat.
You already said twice that it was a good choice.
So you LIKE my boat

No, I really, really don't like your boat. When we want a laugh we
talk about bendies we've been on. Sorry Bob, that's the honest truth.
Your's might be somewhat better than the ones that formed those
opinions, but its the truth.

I just admitted that its the right choice for you.

and I DON'T like yours. Whatsda bigga deal, eh?
Just live with it!

We all have to live with our choices. Next summer when we're anchored
he
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=stonin...9501&t=k&hl=en
you'll be sitting in your apartment watching reruns.



RB
35s5....on my own horrific hook!
NY

Whew... that's not fun.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. Rob wrote:
Do you really think anyone believes your "I bought it for half price
and then sold it for triple" stories? Gawd, what a jackass!

Uh, this is your response to the boats that were "raced hard?"

No. It was a response to your claim that you paid less than what was paid
for all the bene's that had fallen apart already.

And speaking of falling apart, how's this for that warm and fuzzy feeling?
http://www.beneteau235.com/f235_rudder.htm



Gee, I think doing 12 to 14 knots for a few hours straight is a lot
of
fun. So is doing 100 miles in a day.

This was probably Doug's reasoning to buy a powerboat. You're actually
suggesting that sailing your boat is as entertaining as sailing a fast
monohull?

You've never sailed a cat at speed, so what do you know?

Or as challenging? Puh-lease!

You've already claimed that you didn't know how to sail the cat. They're
not for everyone, you actually have to know how to sail.

But still, riding a high performance boat for 30 minutes is different from
a 50 mile spinnaker run. Someday, if your health improves, you may be
able to do something like that.

...

So keep trying to claim you have the best boat ever made, Booby.

Never said that, Jeff. I said it was the best boat here. And that's a
fact. You're not taking your PDQ any distances now. Have you used it
much this season?

I've said a number of times that the cat is a bit of overkill for how we
use it now. However, we're already planning our next long trip, it may
only be a couple of years off. And we're still arranging the schedule for
next summer, but we want 3-4 weeks in Maine so we can get Down East again.

And yes, we did use it a lot this season. We were out for 6 weeks plus a
couple of weekends. We had guests join us for more than one night on
three occasions. None had ever spent a night on a boat before. With 3
generous staterooms everyone gets a quality berth. Every night was spent
at anchor or on a mooring, most meals were prepared on board. We have no
A/C and yet, it was never horrific.

A fast fun monohull like mine would suit you better.

No, it wouldn't, not a chance. You just don't understand the type of
boating we do. We went out for two daysails last summer, one was a
"tuneup" and the other was with an old friend who is so agoraphobic she
wouldn't go out of sight of the downtown waterfront. (It actually a big
step - the first time she's been out with us in about 15 years!)

Every other sail was for a cruise that took us 50 to 150 miles away.
Although there were a number of small hops, the "traveling days" averaged
50 miles. We traveled almost every day we had planned, only adjusting for
hurricane remnants. If the wind was light, we powered, otherwise we
sailed. If the wind was strong and the seas rough, we still forged ahead.
(Now that I think of it, I can't remember a time that we went out and then
completely punted on the day.)

Much of the time we were hanging out in places like Hadley's Harbor, Red
Brook, Vineyard Haven, P'town, or Misery Island. We had our
rowing/sailing dink, plus a tandem kayak with us. We got to swim and
play, the dog swam and ran on the beach every day ... we had a blast. And
being able to bring a friend makes all the difference for our daughter!

What if we had your boat? The traveling would have taken longer. On
those several days when the ride was rough we would have had a really
nasty ride. I can drive my boat for 6 hours in any weather and still feel
refreshed, you can't do that on your boat. Maybe your boat would be more
fun for some of the sailing; it would be a lot less fun other times. A
daysailor gets to say it doesn't look like a good day. When you come out
of the Cape Cod Canal and there's no turning back, and no harbor for 20
miles, you have to be able to take what it gives.

And when you get to your destination, which boat is more comfortable? Its
not even close. You spend virtually all your time either tied up at the
marina or sailing, then you go home. We spend the great majority of our
time swinging at an anchor. Good grief! You've been touting A/C as a
replacement for ventilation! You've been bragging about an electric
stove!

I appreciate that having a baby has slowed you down some. But even the
year after ours was born we still went to the Vineyard in our 30 footer.

Mooron can make a case because he likes full keelers. And here's
another thing that sucks about your boat: It offers no workout. When we
took out the 35s5 we found we could sail it easy, or push things an get
a real workout on her. Can you do that with the PDQ?

So now you're complaining that my boat is too easy to sail fast? OK,
sure, that's part of what I like about it. I can raise the chute and be
doing over 10 knots without breaking a sweat. If I want excitement I do
it singlehanded.

I considered that a great advantage - your boat can almost keep up with
mine in winds over 12 knots, but only if you have a crew to handle the
chute. Racers are measured by what they can do with 6 people on board;
cruisers often only have 1 on deck.


Sure, set up a
Bowflex on the deck. Sorry, Jeff. We like sailing and the work and
"discomforts" associated with that. To us the PDQ was about as
interesting as a Trawler.

You just didn't sail it. I doubt you were on it at all. Did you raise
the chute? What kind was it?



And what makes you think I have no sense of humor?

Because you've yet to compliment me on my wit and skills trolling this
group. You actually have no idea who I am or even if I have a
boat...yet all of you scamper around me like frustrated seal pups! And
THAT'S funny!

Sorry bob, you're the one who's been on the hook all this time. For every
post I've made, you've done ten. And you're still stuck with a bendy toy!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!



RB ...a better boob NY