And the
galley is so unusable the PO added an electric hotplate rather than
use the stove.


Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll. For example:
How does a dual power stove make cooking easier? He says unventelated
but we have air conditioning and two zone venting for it. Jeff doesn't
even seem to know that a small genset easily runs the AC on those rare,
but nasty opressive days! Also note the word "waste" after Jeff already
admitted we bought a good boat for the area purposes. The poor fool
****es on himself on a regular basis.
Ooops! Jeff got busted again! Hnt for Jeff....keep track of your
previous posts!

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
And the
galley is so unusable the PO added an electric hotplate rather than
use the stove.


Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll.

Any level??? I'll even use the truth!

For example:
How does a dual power stove make cooking easier?

Dual power? If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is
an electric system that only works dockside?

He says unventelated
but we have air conditioning and two zone venting for it.

There's a true cruiser for you: "We don't need ventilation because we
A/C!" And he says without A/C it would be "horrific"!

Bob's concept of "cruising" is hopping 3 miles over to Capri West!

Jeff doesn't
even seem to know that a small genset easily runs the AC on those rare,
but nasty opressive days!

Bob said August would be "horrific." I agree that without ventilation
it would be, on his boat. Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening
side hatches.

As for gensets, is Bob saying that he would install a proper genset
and run it all night? Or that he would keep a portable on deck and
fire it up to make coffee in the morning? Either way, he'll be the
jackass that real cruisers in the anchorage hate.

Also note the word "waste" after Jeff already
admitted we bought a good boat for the area purposes.

I said the boat is a nice daysailer/club racer. Maybe it would be
nice for one or two overnights. Bob insists its a great cruiser.

At this point Bob cites owners that have done "extensive" cruising and
love it. That's fine. I used to cruise an Eastwind (similar to Cape
Dory 25) and loved it. I also cruised an Irwin, and while the boat
was a piece of crap, I loved the cruising.

People use all sorts of boats in all sorts of ways. The fact that
they do it doesn't mean that its a great boat for the purpose.


The poor fool
****es on himself on a regular basis.

Bob's speaking about himself here. He claims that a medical condition
prevent him from going out overnight.

Ooops! Jeff got busted again! Hnt for Jeff....keep track of your
previous posts!

Bob is the one who seems uncertain about his purchase, I really
couldn't care less. He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid
another 5% to ship it up. If he doesn't use it and sells it soon, it
may work out. But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of
racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one.

Sorry Bob, you're sounding like a Republican here; you keep telling
the bull**** hoping someone will believe.

Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll.

Any level??? I'll even use the truth!

Except there is no hotplate. Oops...you lied.

If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is
an electric system that only works dockside?

More lies. I've already posted we're converting the system. Propane
does not belong on a boat.

Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening
side hatches.

Lie #3 from Jeff. Jeff ALREADY ADMITTED that he's had some oppressive
nights on his boat. I bet if he was honest he'd admit that air
conditioning would be nice on occasion. I'd really prefer to skip those
oppressive nights and flip the switch, esepcially since AC came with
our boat.

He claims that a medical condition
prevent him from going out overnight.

This has been the case at times, sadly.

He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid
another 5% to ship it up.

Yet another lie. We paid aprox 8K below market and 5 K below 3 35s5's
sold recently. And we have what is probably the nicest example with new
gear.

But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of
racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one.


Another lie. Jeff can't post a link to my saying any such thing. I
found a single boat out of four with a deck problem after a mast was
dropped on it.

So, Jeff lies and lies. What drives him batty is that I can be so
brutal about his boat and do it with honest comments, while he has to
make stuff up...and do it badly at that! HE SAID that for sailing fun
he goes to play with his dinghy. So he admits that PDQ aint a whole lot
of fun. Truth...even if he won't admit to it after admitting to it!


RB
35s5
NY

Propane doesn't belong on a boat?? Why's that? It works perfectly and safely
if it's installed properly and you know how to use it... the former is a
prerequisite for insurance, the latter obvious.

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www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll.

Any level??? I'll even use the truth!

Except there is no hotplate. Oops...you lied.

If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is
an electric system that only works dockside?

More lies. I've already posted we're converting the system. Propane
does not belong on a boat.

Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening
side hatches.

Lie #3 from Jeff. Jeff ALREADY ADMITTED that he's had some oppressive
nights on his boat. I bet if he was honest he'd admit that air
conditioning would be nice on occasion. I'd really prefer to skip those
oppressive nights and flip the switch, esepcially since AC came with
our boat.

He claims that a medical condition
prevent him from going out overnight.

This has been the case at times, sadly.

He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid
another 5% to ship it up.

Yet another lie. We paid aprox 8K below market and 5 K below 3 35s5's
sold recently. And we have what is probably the nicest example with new
gear.

But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of
racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one.


Another lie. Jeff can't post a link to my saying any such thing. I
found a single boat out of four with a deck problem after a mast was
dropped on it.

So, Jeff lies and lies. What drives him batty is that I can be so
brutal about his boat and do it with honest comments, while he has to
make stuff up...and do it badly at that! HE SAID that for sailing fun
he goes to play with his dinghy. So he admits that PDQ aint a whole lot
of fun. Truth...even if he won't admit to it after admitting to it!


RB
35s5
NY

Yeah I was wondering what sky he pulled that one out of myself.
Propane is not a problem unless your brain dead and unable to maintain
a system properly.


Joe

Capt. Rob wrote:
Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll.

Any level??? I'll even use the truth!

Except there is no hotplate. Oops...you lied.

Well, I don't think you identified the model - it looked like a stove
top plunked down on top of the built in stove.


If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is
an electric system that only works dockside?

More lies. I've already posted we're converting the system. Propane
does not belong on a boat.

But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming
its so dangerous you're removing it.

Actually, I have no problem with those who think propane is unsafe,
though I think there are very few problem when its properly installed.
I only have one appliance, the stove, and its not even gimbaled so
there's one continuous hose from the locker. Also, the locker is
vented not just by a small tube, but with an opening of about 6 square
inches.

But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you
run the stove? You can dance around this all day, but firing up a
genset to make coffee in the morning is not ideal for a small cruising
boat.



Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening
side hatches.

Lie #3 from Jeff. Jeff ALREADY ADMITTED that he's had some oppressive
nights on his boat. I bet if he was honest he'd admit that air
conditioning would be nice on occasion. I'd really prefer to skip those
oppressive nights and flip the switch, esepcially since AC came with
our boat.

And again Bob tries to bull**** his way out of this. What I said is
that in staying dockside for most of a year in FL there were a few
nights that were oppressive. Actually, I'd even agree that if I were
to live at the dock year round I might opt for A/C, though might wife
might veto it.

However, I've never had any desire or need for A/C while cruising.
Running a genset all night to power A/C on a small boat in an
anchorage is an abomination. Its no surprise that Booby doesn't
agree. In fact, he just sounds like an idiot by repeatedly bragging
about A/C that he can only use in the marina, while claiming that he
doesn't need ventilation!



He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid
another 5% to ship it up.

Yet another lie. We paid aprox 8K below market and 5 K below 3 35s5's
sold recently. And we have what is probably the nicest example with new
gear.

The BUC value is $50-55K, and there seem to be a number asking well
under $70K. But I'm sure you have to keep telling yourself you got a
good deal.


But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of
racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one.

Another lie. Jeff can't post a link to my saying any such thing. I
found a single boat out of four with a deck problem after a mast was
dropped on it.

I think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the
boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death."


So, Jeff lies and lies.

I know they look like lies - but they're actually quotes from you!


What drives him batty is that I can be so
brutal about his boat and do it with honest comments,

Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What
other faults did you find - too much ventilation?

while he has to
make stuff up...and do it badly at that! HE SAID that for sailing fun
he goes to play with his dinghy. So he admits that PDQ aint a whole lot
of fun. Truth...even if he won't admit to it after admitting to it!

Yup. If I want to do an hour of daysailing I just hop in a small boat
at my club. I don't have to spend $60K for a daysailer.

But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you
run the stove?

It's called CNG, Jeff. Costs 200 dollars to set it up with our current
stove.

But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming

its so dangerous you're removing it.

Another lie from Jeff. We're changing it.

Actually, I'd even agree that if I were
to live at the dock year round

Holy backpedal Batman!!!

think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the
boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death."

Yep, old sails and worse ruined cushions from wet sails dumped on them
again and again. One needed updated running rigging along with new
cushions. One of the four boats had some of the interior removed, such
as the table. But the boats were generally solid and looked fine. Raced
to death doesn't mean a bad boat...it can be cosmetics which can cost a
fortune. Go price new cushions and sails. As usual you're clueless and
jump to conclusions. BTW of the four we looked at over the last 3
months, only one remains unsold! And all sold for more than what we
paid. The one with the bad deck sold for exactly what we paid!

Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What
other faults did you find - too much ventilation?

According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you go sail a
dinghy. We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than fun to sail.
Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's, Jeff. Nobody
equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not even you.
When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the three of us we
like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can get our
blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's what you
like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very different
activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36, my wife
couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been on a
powerboat...a really slow one.

With the 35s5 we have a boat that's fun and can cruise on our weekend
trips or longer. Hell, I posted a link to folks cruising around the
world in one. They seem to be doing fine! Based on your criteria you
have the ONLY boat here suitable for cruising in this group BTW. The
35s5 has a proven record of blue water sailing AND it has a larger
interior than most of the other boats here. So it looks like only you
and Joe can go to sea! What a laugh.
Face it, Jeff. It's check and mate. You lost. I won't even begin to
bash the idiotic idea of comparing the 35s5 directly to dinghy sailing.
Hell, I got yelled at for even suggesting it earlier.
People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull, Jeff.

Good luck,

RB
35s5
NY

You need to be careful if you're going to do this...

http://www.sabreyachts.com/owner_resources/faq.php

Q. How do I go about changing the stove in my boat from CNG to propane?

A. Many owners inquire about making a change from CNG to propane fuel for
the galley stove. The main reason given is that propane is more widely
available and it is sometimes preferred despite CNG's safer properties. (CNG
is lighter than air and thus escapes from the yacht's interior. Propane
sinks to the boats bilges if it escapes from the system.)

Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks, the
tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be
changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service
technicians should perform the work.

The commonly available sizes of propane tanks will not fit in the same tank
locker designed for CNG tanks. Although Sabre fabricates fiberglass tank
lockers for our CNG systems, these are not retrofitable. They will not fit
though a cockpit locker opening which was created for the original
installation. It is also worth noting that Sabre fiberglasses these lockers
in place, the only exception being the Sabre 362.

We recommend that any Sabre owner who has a Regal CNG stove and wishes to
pursue this switch, start by contacting www.seawardproducts.com. They offer
kits for switching the burner orifices. Unfortunately, the changing of the
burner parts is only the first part of this project. The rest of the work
should be discussed with experienced service personnel.

If you're a subscriber to Practical Sailor magazine, you may recall (or wish
to look up) their June 1, 1994 edition. On the last page is their response
to a letter in which they discuss this subject.

Looking for CNG? Try www.corpbrothers.com


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www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you
run the stove?

It's called CNG, Jeff. Costs 200 dollars to set it up with our current
stove.

But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming

its so dangerous you're removing it.

Another lie from Jeff. We're changing it.

Actually, I'd even agree that if I were
to live at the dock year round

Holy backpedal Batman!!!

think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the
boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death."

Yep, old sails and worse ruined cushions from wet sails dumped on them
again and again. One needed updated running rigging along with new
cushions. One of the four boats had some of the interior removed, such
as the table. But the boats were generally solid and looked fine. Raced
to death doesn't mean a bad boat...it can be cosmetics which can cost a
fortune. Go price new cushions and sails. As usual you're clueless and
jump to conclusions. BTW of the four we looked at over the last 3
months, only one remains unsold! And all sold for more than what we
paid. The one with the bad deck sold for exactly what we paid!

Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What
other faults did you find - too much ventilation?

According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you go sail a
dinghy. We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than fun to sail.
Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's, Jeff. Nobody
equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not even you.
When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the three of us we
like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can get our
blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's what you
like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very different
activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36, my wife
couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been on a
powerboat...a really slow one.

With the 35s5 we have a boat that's fun and can cruise on our weekend
trips or longer. Hell, I posted a link to folks cruising around the
world in one. They seem to be doing fine! Based on your criteria you
have the ONLY boat here suitable for cruising in this group BTW. The
35s5 has a proven record of blue water sailing AND it has a larger
interior than most of the other boats here. So it looks like only you
and Joe can go to sea! What a laugh.
Face it, Jeff. It's check and mate. You lost. I won't even begin to
bash the idiotic idea of comparing the 35s5 directly to dinghy sailing.
Hell, I got yelled at for even suggesting it earlier.
People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull, Jeff.

Good luck,

RB
35s5
NY

Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks,
the
tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be
changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service
technicians should perform the work.


The parts for the job are less than 125. The original locker vents fine
for CNG...not always the case of course. A larger tank bracket is being
glassed in by yard, no charge. Cooking times will be reduced as CNG is
not as space effective. We prefer to do most of our cooking on deck via
the Force 10 grill, so the stove/oven will see little use anyway,
unless the weather is bad.

RB
35s5
NY

But Bob is changing FROM propane TO CNG. Your site talks about
the opposite.

CNG is a much safer and cleaner burning fuel.

Scotty



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You need to be careful if you're going to do this...

http://www.sabreyachts.com/owner_resources/faq.php

Q. How do I go about changing the stove in my boat from CNG to
propane?

A. Many owners inquire about making a change from CNG to
propane fuel for
the galley stove. The main reason given is that propane is more
widely
available and it is sometimes preferred despite CNG's safer
properties. (CNG
is lighter than air and thus escapes from the yacht's interior.
Propane
sinks to the boats bilges if it escapes from the system.)

Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the
tanks, the
tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices
must be
changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified
service
technicians should perform the work.

The commonly available sizes of propane tanks will not fit in
the same tank
locker designed for CNG tanks. Although Sabre fabricates
fiberglass tank
lockers for our CNG systems, these are not retrofitable. They
will not fit
though a cockpit locker opening which was created for the
original
installation. It is also worth noting that Sabre fiberglasses
these lockers
in place, the only exception being the Sabre 362.

We recommend that any Sabre owner who has a Regal CNG stove and
wishes to
pursue this switch, start by contacting
www.seawardproducts.com. They offer
kits for switching the burner orifices. Unfortunately, the
changing of the
burner parts is only the first part of this project. The rest
of the work
should be discussed with experienced service personnel.

If you're a subscriber to Practical Sailor magazine, you may
recall (or wish
to look up) their June 1, 1994 edition. On the last page is
their response
to a letter in which they discuss this subject.

Looking for CNG? Try www.corpbrothers.com


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how
do you
run the stove?

It's called CNG, Jeff. Costs 200 dollars to set it up with
our current
stove.

But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now
you're claiming

its so dangerous you're removing it.

Another lie from Jeff. We're changing it.

Actually, I'd even agree that if I were
to live at the dock year round

Holy backpedal Batman!!!

think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really
loved the
boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to
death."

Yep, old sails and worse ruined cushions from wet sails
dumped on them
again and again. One needed updated running rigging along
with new
cushions. One of the four boats had some of the interior
removed, such
as the table. But the boats were generally solid and looked
fine. Raced
to death doesn't mean a bad boat...it can be cosmetics which
can cost a
fortune. Go price new cushions and sails. As usual you're
clueless and
jump to conclusions. BTW of the four we looked at over the
last 3
months, only one remains unsold! And all sold for more than
what we
paid. The one with the bad deck sold for exactly what we
paid!

Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't
heel. What
other faults did you find - too much ventilation?

According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you
go sail a
dinghy. We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than
fun to sail.
Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's,
Jeff. Nobody
equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not eve
n you.
When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the
three of us we
like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can
get our
blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's
what you
like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very
different
activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36,
my wife
couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been
on a
powerboat...a really slow one.

With the 35s5 we have a boat that's fun and can cruise on our
weekend
trips or longer. Hell, I posted a link to folks cruising
around the
world in one. They seem to be doing fine! Based on your
criteria you
have the ONLY boat here suitable for cruising in this group
BTW. The
35s5 has a proven record of blue water sailing AND it has a
larger
interior than most of the other boats here. So it looks like
only you
and Joe can go to sea! What a laugh.
Face it, Jeff. It's check and mate. You lost. I won't even
begin to
bash the idiotic idea of comparing the 35s5 directly to
dinghy sailing.
Hell, I got yelled at for even suggesting it earlier.
People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull,
Jeff.

Good luck,

RB
35s5
NY