Gary wrote:
....

Some folks here "get it." Mooron, Ozzy, Scotty...they pretty much play
when it suits them. I pay them less attention because I know they're in
on the gag. Look at the posts from Jeff or John Cairns...do you detect
any sense of humor on these poor blokes? Loco Sloco is the all time
champ. He's made a royal ass of himself so many times the Queen i ready
to have him knighted! And don't let anyone tell you different...I DROVE
Doug into buying a trawler.

RB
35s5....the better boat!
NY

So you're just being an asshole for fun?

Its the role model he chosen for his kid. But at least its a step up
from his true personality.

So you're just being an asshole for fun?

Its the role model he chosen for his kid.


Hey, Gary. Note that Jeff is so humorless he's now trolling using
people's kids. You won't find a post from me using Jeff's kids.
In case you wanted to know why Jeff gets his ass kicked here most days,
it's because I may "play" an ass on these boards...but he's one in real
life. I can keep it down to boats and wives!
The amazing thing is that I always end up on the high road because
Jeff, Doug and Sloco are driven to the depths.
And remember...when Jeff wants "sailing fun" he gets off his PDQ and
sails a dinghy...but he liked his boat for SOME reason!

RB
35s5...the better boat!
NY

Bob is the one with no sense of humor. He has no idea that the entire
group has been laughing at him thrash around as he tries to convince
himself that he didn't waste Suzy's money on her new boat!

Just remember, his highest priority was a large berth, but what he
actually got was an unventilated cave you have to crawl into. And
worse, he claims that sleeping on board would be "horrific"! And the
galley is so unusable the PO added an electric hotplate rather than
use the stove.

Stop Bob, you're cracking us up!!!


Capt. Rob wrote:
So you're just being an asshole for fun?

Its the role model he chosen for his kid.


Hey, Gary. Note that Jeff is so humorless he's now trolling using
people's kids. You won't find a post from me using Jeff's kids.
In case you wanted to know why Jeff gets his ass kicked here most days,
it's because I may "play" an ass on these boards...but he's one in real
life. I can keep it down to boats and wives!
The amazing thing is that I always end up on the high road because
Jeff, Doug and Sloco are driven to the depths.
And remember...when Jeff wants "sailing fun" he gets off his PDQ and
sails a dinghy...but he liked his boat for SOME reason!

RB
35s5...the better boat!
NY

And the
galley is so unusable the PO added an electric hotplate rather than
use the stove.


Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll. For example:
How does a dual power stove make cooking easier? He says unventelated
but we have air conditioning and two zone venting for it. Jeff doesn't
even seem to know that a small genset easily runs the AC on those rare,
but nasty opressive days! Also note the word "waste" after Jeff already
admitted we bought a good boat for the area purposes. The poor fool
****es on himself on a regular basis.
Ooops! Jeff got busted again! Hnt for Jeff....keep track of your
previous posts!

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
And the
galley is so unusable the PO added an electric hotplate rather than
use the stove.


Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll.

Any level??? I'll even use the truth!

For example:
How does a dual power stove make cooking easier?

Dual power? If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is
an electric system that only works dockside?

He says unventelated
but we have air conditioning and two zone venting for it.

There's a true cruiser for you: "We don't need ventilation because we
A/C!" And he says without A/C it would be "horrific"!

Bob's concept of "cruising" is hopping 3 miles over to Capri West!

Jeff doesn't
even seem to know that a small genset easily runs the AC on those rare,
but nasty opressive days!

Bob said August would be "horrific." I agree that without ventilation
it would be, on his boat. Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening
side hatches.

As for gensets, is Bob saying that he would install a proper genset
and run it all night? Or that he would keep a portable on deck and
fire it up to make coffee in the morning? Either way, he'll be the
jackass that real cruisers in the anchorage hate.

Also note the word "waste" after Jeff already
admitted we bought a good boat for the area purposes.

I said the boat is a nice daysailer/club racer. Maybe it would be
nice for one or two overnights. Bob insists its a great cruiser.

At this point Bob cites owners that have done "extensive" cruising and
love it. That's fine. I used to cruise an Eastwind (similar to Cape
Dory 25) and loved it. I also cruised an Irwin, and while the boat
was a piece of crap, I loved the cruising.

People use all sorts of boats in all sorts of ways. The fact that
they do it doesn't mean that its a great boat for the purpose.


The poor fool
****es on himself on a regular basis.

Bob's speaking about himself here. He claims that a medical condition
prevent him from going out overnight.

Ooops! Jeff got busted again! Hnt for Jeff....keep track of your
previous posts!

Bob is the one who seems uncertain about his purchase, I really
couldn't care less. He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid
another 5% to ship it up. If he doesn't use it and sells it soon, it
may work out. But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of
racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one.

Sorry Bob, you're sounding like a Republican here; you keep telling
the bull**** hoping someone will believe.

Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll.

Any level??? I'll even use the truth!

Except there is no hotplate. Oops...you lied.

If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is
an electric system that only works dockside?

More lies. I've already posted we're converting the system. Propane
does not belong on a boat.

Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening
side hatches.

Lie #3 from Jeff. Jeff ALREADY ADMITTED that he's had some oppressive
nights on his boat. I bet if he was honest he'd admit that air
conditioning would be nice on occasion. I'd really prefer to skip those
oppressive nights and flip the switch, esepcially since AC came with
our boat.

He claims that a medical condition
prevent him from going out overnight.

This has been the case at times, sadly.

He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid
another 5% to ship it up.

Yet another lie. We paid aprox 8K below market and 5 K below 3 35s5's
sold recently. And we have what is probably the nicest example with new
gear.

But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of
racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one.


Another lie. Jeff can't post a link to my saying any such thing. I
found a single boat out of four with a deck problem after a mast was
dropped on it.

So, Jeff lies and lies. What drives him batty is that I can be so
brutal about his boat and do it with honest comments, while he has to
make stuff up...and do it badly at that! HE SAID that for sailing fun
he goes to play with his dinghy. So he admits that PDQ aint a whole lot
of fun. Truth...even if he won't admit to it after admitting to it!


RB
35s5
NY

Propane doesn't belong on a boat?? Why's that? It works perfectly and safely
if it's installed properly and you know how to use it... the former is a
prerequisite for insurance, the latter obvious.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll.

Any level??? I'll even use the truth!

Except there is no hotplate. Oops...you lied.

If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is
an electric system that only works dockside?

More lies. I've already posted we're converting the system. Propane
does not belong on a boat.

Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening
side hatches.

Lie #3 from Jeff. Jeff ALREADY ADMITTED that he's had some oppressive
nights on his boat. I bet if he was honest he'd admit that air
conditioning would be nice on occasion. I'd really prefer to skip those
oppressive nights and flip the switch, esepcially since AC came with
our boat.

He claims that a medical condition
prevent him from going out overnight.

This has been the case at times, sadly.

He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid
another 5% to ship it up.

Yet another lie. We paid aprox 8K below market and 5 K below 3 35s5's
sold recently. And we have what is probably the nicest example with new
gear.

But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of
racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one.


Another lie. Jeff can't post a link to my saying any such thing. I
found a single boat out of four with a deck problem after a mast was
dropped on it.

So, Jeff lies and lies. What drives him batty is that I can be so
brutal about his boat and do it with honest comments, while he has to
make stuff up...and do it badly at that! HE SAID that for sailing fun
he goes to play with his dinghy. So he admits that PDQ aint a whole lot
of fun. Truth...even if he won't admit to it after admitting to it!


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll.

Any level??? I'll even use the truth!

Except there is no hotplate. Oops...you lied.

Well, I don't think you identified the model - it looked like a stove
top plunked down on top of the built in stove.


If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is
an electric system that only works dockside?

More lies. I've already posted we're converting the system. Propane
does not belong on a boat.

But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming
its so dangerous you're removing it.

Actually, I have no problem with those who think propane is unsafe,
though I think there are very few problem when its properly installed.
I only have one appliance, the stove, and its not even gimbaled so
there's one continuous hose from the locker. Also, the locker is
vented not just by a small tube, but with an opening of about 6 square
inches.

But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you
run the stove? You can dance around this all day, but firing up a
genset to make coffee in the morning is not ideal for a small cruising
boat.



Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening
side hatches.

Lie #3 from Jeff. Jeff ALREADY ADMITTED that he's had some oppressive
nights on his boat. I bet if he was honest he'd admit that air
conditioning would be nice on occasion. I'd really prefer to skip those
oppressive nights and flip the switch, esepcially since AC came with
our boat.

And again Bob tries to bull**** his way out of this. What I said is
that in staying dockside for most of a year in FL there were a few
nights that were oppressive. Actually, I'd even agree that if I were
to live at the dock year round I might opt for A/C, though might wife
might veto it.

However, I've never had any desire or need for A/C while cruising.
Running a genset all night to power A/C on a small boat in an
anchorage is an abomination. Its no surprise that Booby doesn't
agree. In fact, he just sounds like an idiot by repeatedly bragging
about A/C that he can only use in the marina, while claiming that he
doesn't need ventilation!



He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid
another 5% to ship it up.

Yet another lie. We paid aprox 8K below market and 5 K below 3 35s5's
sold recently. And we have what is probably the nicest example with new
gear.

The BUC value is $50-55K, and there seem to be a number asking well
under $70K. But I'm sure you have to keep telling yourself you got a
good deal.


But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of
racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one.

Another lie. Jeff can't post a link to my saying any such thing. I
found a single boat out of four with a deck problem after a mast was
dropped on it.

I think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the
boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death."


So, Jeff lies and lies.

I know they look like lies - but they're actually quotes from you!


What drives him batty is that I can be so
brutal about his boat and do it with honest comments,

Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What
other faults did you find - too much ventilation?

while he has to
make stuff up...and do it badly at that! HE SAID that for sailing fun
he goes to play with his dinghy. So he admits that PDQ aint a whole lot
of fun. Truth...even if he won't admit to it after admitting to it!

Yup. If I want to do an hour of daysailing I just hop in a small boat
at my club. I don't have to spend $60K for a daysailer.