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"Oh god, I'm glad to see you. I'm alive!"
No Bob you didn't... you quoted book learned data and have no
experience in such matters. Your opinion is worthless. You offered no suggestions since you can't envision such conditions and thusly have nothing to provide. Hey, that's funny! You then proceeded to give the same answer I gave, also repeated by Doug! Good work! Gee, da ya really tink he wasn't edy for da bad waves??? Bwahahahahahahaha! RB 35s5...a boat better in every way than a Nordic 30. NY |
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"Oh god, I'm glad to see you. I'm alive!"
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message You then proceeded to give the same answer I gave, also repeated by Doug! Good work! Gee, da ya really tink he wasn't edy for da bad waves??? Now don't get your socks in a knot... I was merely confirming that your input was inconsequential to either truth, experience or fact. The outlandish claim that you posted the obvious in no way justifies your competence. CM |
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"Oh god, I'm glad to see you. I'm alive!"
Capt.Mooron wrote:
Again... it seems like the vessel was ill prepared to provide for it's crew. Warmth and nourishment to maintain the body are a real requirement in a heavy sea. Exactly. And alcohol has useful calories, remember that! I'd hesitate to call the vessel "ill-prepared" not knowing the man or his boat or his habits with it, but it does sound like he wasn't ready for this trip in this kind of weather. Putting the rail in shouldn't be bad. Why the trouble controlling course? That is an indication of something either going wrong or about to go wrong. I disagree there Doug.... I don't think that way in a rough sea.... rail in the water is fine at times.... but it is totally uncalled for in rough conditions. It seems as if proper trim was not established. What are you saying, you don't like the boat to lean over? You wimp! About proper trim, maybe so... one reason why he may have had trouble keeping the boat on course is from unbalanced sail plan. A staysail eould have been a better choice than the tip of a rolled-up genoa. From a summary viewpoint... he had equipment failure that may have been prevented. He did not rig his vessel to undertake the sea conditions and did not have adequate means of keeping himself warm and dry while in the elements. Agreed. From sailing in cold and rough conditions for many years it is paramount to never underestimate what you may encounter. Agreed. ... Warm dry clothing for such and even worse conditions are available. Proper outfitting of the vessel to provide hot coffee underway in almost any seastate is critical. Agreed yet again, but it's expensive. A lot of people "just make do" with lesser gear & clothing, which is OK as long as you're not going to test it too rigorously or throw very high stakes on the table if they fail (and IMHO hypothermia is a big gamble) ... Double checking all gear prior to departure is extremely important. Agreed, and that doesn't cost anything. Damn it, this is no way to run a newsgroup, agreeing all the time. WTF is wrong with you? Go ahead, say it, the man had a fin keeler! If you live through it and learn from it.. it's adventure. What is it if you live thru it and don't learn? DSK |
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"Oh god, I'm glad to see you. I'm alive!"
"DSK" wrote in message Exactly. And alcohol has useful calories, remember that! Although I surprisingly do not encourage the use of alcohol in very rough conditions... I have been known to take a swig of "Liquid Courage" during exceptioanally difficult situations. I'd hesitate to call the vessel "ill-prepared" not knowing the man or his boat or his habits with it, but it does sound like he wasn't ready for this trip in this kind of weather. The story speaks for itself Doug.... he was cold and wet... no reason for either condition. What are you saying, you don't like the boat to lean over? You wimp! There are times when it's fun..... but it does not provide power nor does it benifit ground made good. When in heavy seas.. I would lean towards minimizing green water and stress on the rig. About proper trim, maybe so... one reason why he may have had trouble keeping the boat on course is from unbalanced sail plan. A staysail eould have been a better choice than the tip of a rolled-up genoa. Without a doubt a hank on sail is a much better choice to maintain sailshape. Agreed yet again, but it's expensive. A lot of people "just make do" with lesser gear & clothing, which is OK as long as you're not going to test it too rigorously or throw very high stakes on the table if they fail (and IMHO hypothermia is a big gamble) It's a mistake... since you can outfit yourself completely for the cost of a radar. I can't understand how people can go to sea and not be comfortable at the helm in foul weather. ... Double checking all gear prior to departure is extremely important. Agreed, and that doesn't cost anything. Damn it, this is no way to run a newsgroup, agreeing all the time. WTF is wrong with you? Go ahead, say it, the man had a fin keeler! Even a fin keeler should have aced that situation had the crew been dry, warm and suficently nourished to maintain the pace required by the vessel. If you live through it and learn from it.. it's adventure. What is it if you live thru it and don't learn? That's called a Bobsprit.... CM |
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"Oh god, I'm glad to see you. I'm alive!"
How could we repeat his answers when we
don't read them? "Capt.Mooron" wrote in message news:lv1hf.128442$S4.126219@edtnps84... "Capt. Rob" wrote in message Wow, Bart and Doug repeat most of my answers and then pat themselves on the back after letting us know that a crapping bird in the hand smells worse than two in a bush! What else would you expect from a powerboaters and guy who works on his boat rather than sailing it? No Bob you didn't... you quoted book learned data and have no experience in such matters. Your opinion is worthless. You offered no suggestions since you can't envision such conditions and thusly have nothing to provide. Until such a time as you matriculate to the status held by the likes of Doug and Bart... it would be advised that you continue your trolls and in-shore diatribe... since you really have very limited experience in boat handling except for protected near shore daysails in calm conditions. CM |
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"Oh god, I'm glad to see you. I'm alive!"
Well to give Bob his due... he is one of the most talented and successful
trolls on this group.... but his practical sailing knowledge is very limited. He seems to forget that on occasion. This of course leads him to believe he has an opinion that matters. CM "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... How could we repeat his answers when we don't read them? "Capt.Mooron" wrote in message news:lv1hf.128442$S4.126219@edtnps84... "Capt. Rob" wrote in message Wow, Bart and Doug repeat most of my answers and then pat themselves on the back after letting us know that a crapping bird in the hand smells worse than two in a bush! What else would you expect from a powerboaters and guy who works on his boat rather than sailing it? No Bob you didn't... you quoted book learned data and have no experience in such matters. Your opinion is worthless. You offered no suggestions since you can't envision such conditions and thusly have nothing to provide. Until such a time as you matriculate to the status held by the likes of Doug and Bart... it would be advised that you continue your trolls and in-shore diatribe... since you really have very limited experience in boat handling except for protected near shore daysails in calm conditions. CM |
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"Oh god, I'm glad to see you. I'm alive!"
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outlandish claim that you posted the obvious in no way justifies your competence. So did I post the "obvious" and if so how it outlandish? And why did you and Doug repeat it? Hmmmmm? RB 35s5 NY |
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"Oh god, I'm glad to see you. I'm alive!"
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message So did I post the "obvious" and if so how it outlandish? And why did you and Doug repeat it? Hmmmmm? Because you were guessing! CM |
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"Oh god, I'm glad to see you. I'm alive!"
So did I post the "obvious" and if so how it outlandish? And why did
you and Doug repeat it? Hmmmmm? Because you were guessing! And then you repeated all my guesses as fact? Wow! I'm one lucky son of the sea! RB 35s5 NY |
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"Oh god, I'm glad to see you. I'm alive!"
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ps.com... So did I post the "obvious" and if so how it outlandish? And why did you and Doug repeat it? Hmmmmm? Because you were guessing! And then you repeated all my guesses as fact? Wow! I'm one lucky son of the sea! You certainly are Bobsprit... your son is proof of that. You have a new boat and a nice wife...... and one of theses days you'll actually have some sea time under your belt so you can discuss heavy sea sailing with the big boys. :-) CM |