Performance Defined
 

I believe he means "all points of sail". But you
know, sailing ability was never his strong suit.
S.

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: However, my 35s5 sails well on all tacks,
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Performance Defined
 

11. NotPony
Nov 12, 7:46 pm show options

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I believe he means "all points of sail". But you
know, sailing ability was never his strong suit.
S.


I guess he meant "terminology" but you know basic English was never his
strong suit!


RB
35s5
NY

Performance Defined
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Performance is truly defined as how well something fulfills its
intended purpose.


Oh, I guess that means that if the guy with the Island Packet 35 feels
his boat performs great within his goals, then that's good performance?

Certainly. Its a great performing cruiser!

Sorry, Jeff, making up your own definition for sailing performance
won't cut it.

Sorry Bob, you're the one making up a definition. Performance is
"fulfilling the intended purpose." Look it up.

Your boat sails poorly in light air, is tedious to tack
(your own) words and is weak upwind.

And yet, it will go upwind faster than your boat in a breeze.

Even compared to newer cats it's
still not a good performer. However, my 35s5 sails well on all tacks,
goes upwind, tacks on a dime and is able to work in light air and is
still considered a good performer against more modern designs.

yada yada yada. It might mean something if you raced it.

You enter as many qualifications as you want but the
basic facts are not altered.

Right. You bought a "racer/cruiser" that might be a good racer but is
a below average cruiser. Given that its hard to call it a "great
performer." Buts its no matter, you don't race and you don't cruise,
so I guess that makes you a "poor performer."

You own a cruising boat that does well off the wind, tacks badly, can't
sail well in light air, can't point, has a numb helm....all by your own
admission now less....

I own a cruising boat that can handle any conditions I'm likely to
encounter on the East Coast. It can go upwind as fast as your boat
and it flies off the wind; all with a small rig that can be
singlehanded. It has three staterooms, two with queen size bunks, all
with great ventilation, standing room and plenty of lockers. A head
and shower that you can actually use underway. A galley bigger than
many apartments have, big enough to cook a Thanksgiving dinner for
eight, who can be served in the saloon. No A/C because it don't need it.

I carry a dinghy on davits and a kayak on deck. A cockpit that 8
people can stretch out on, a foredeck made for sunbathing. I can do
100 miles and arrive for dinner refreshed. The boat is even unsinkable!

This boat has taken us from Toronto to Maine to Key West and back.
We've lived on board close to 600 nights, and still use it more than
half the summer. We're planning a trip to Newfoundland that will take
three summers to complete.

So I ask the assembled masses: which boat has or will best fulfill its
intended purpose, or putting it more simply, is the best performer:
Boobie's Bendy, or my PDQ?

Performance Defined
 

And yet, it will go upwind faster than your boat in a breeze.

Not higher than 40 degrees it won't! And not in light air AT ALL it
won't. Tedious tacking, poor in light air, numb helm boat!!!

You bought a "racer/cruiser" that might be a good racer but is
a below average cruiser.

While good performance is not open to wild interpretation with
sailboats, what makes a good cruiser certainly is. My friend cruises
his J30 and finds it to be perfect. Same for the tiny Bristol 27. Just
because you need a floating livingroom at sea, doesn't mean the rest of
the world wants that! Zikes!

It has three staterooms, two with queen size bunks, all
with great ventilation, standing room and plenty of lockers.

It's a much bigger boat, Jeff, or do you thing boats are only measured
LOA?


carry a dinghy on davits and a kayak on deck.

You have to. You sure won't have any fun sailing! Might I suggest
towing a J22?

So I ask the assembled masses: which boat has or will best fulfill its
intended purpose,

Our boat hasn't even been delivered yet, but based on your reaction to
it...I guess we win again!

You bought a "racer/cruiser" that might be a good racer but is
a below average cruiser. Given that its hard to call it a "great
performer."

Why is it hard? It won boat of year for it's performance and design.
Various magazines called it a performance boat. And that's what it is.
A J29 is also a performance boat, Jeff, even if I sail it on a pond or
stuff it in a hanger.

A head
and shower that you can actually use underway.

I used the head underway and in 20 knots. What exactly do you find
problematic? Are you unable to move your bowels or urinate on an angle?

Jeff, you lose again! Feed me, Seymour, Feed me!!!


RB
35s5
NY

Performance Defined
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:
Performance is truly defined as how well something fulfills its
intended purpose.


Oh, I guess that means that if the guy with the Island Packet 35 feels
his boat performs great within his goals, then that's good performance?

Certainly. Its a great performing cruiser!

Sorry, Jeff, making up your own definition for sailing performance
won't cut it.

Sorry Bob, you're the one making up a definition. Performance is
"fulfilling the intended purpose." Look it up.

Your boat sails poorly in light air, is tedious to tack
(your own) words and is weak upwind.

And yet, it will go upwind faster than your boat in a breeze.

Even compared to newer cats it's
still not a good performer. However, my 35s5 sails well on all tacks,
goes upwind, tacks on a dime and is able to work in light air and is
still considered a good performer against more modern designs.

yada yada yada. It might mean something if you raced it.

You enter as many qualifications as you want but the basic facts are not
altered.

Right. You bought a "racer/cruiser" that might be a good racer but is a
below average cruiser. Given that its hard to call it a "great
performer." Buts its no matter, you don't race and you don't cruise, so I
guess that makes you a "poor performer."

You own a cruising boat that does well off the wind, tacks badly, can't
sail well in light air, can't point, has a numb helm....all by your own
admission now less....

I own a cruising boat that can handle any conditions I'm likely to
encounter on the East Coast. It can go upwind as fast as your boat and it
flies off the wind; all with a small rig that can be singlehanded. It has
three staterooms, two with queen size bunks, all with great ventilation,
standing room and plenty of lockers. A head and shower that you can
actually use underway. A galley bigger than many apartments have, big
enough to cook a Thanksgiving dinner for eight, who can be served in the
saloon. No A/C because it don't need it.

I carry a dinghy on davits and a kayak on deck. A cockpit that 8 people
can stretch out on, a foredeck made for sunbathing. I can do 100 miles
and arrive for dinner refreshed. The boat is even unsinkable!

This boat has taken us from Toronto to Maine to Key West and back. We've
lived on board close to 600 nights, and still use it more than half the
summer. We're planning a trip to Newfoundland that will take three
summers to complete.

So I ask the assembled masses: which boat has or will best fulfill its
intended purpose, or putting it more simply, is the best performer:
Boobie's Bendy, or my PDQ?

You know, Jeff, all this stuff is going to go completely over bubbles' head.
One last thing , bubbles' boat will best fulfill it's owners intended
purpose, a desperate attempt to impress the ignorant. Don't forget, it isn't
about sailing, it's about looking good at the dock.

John Cairns

Performance Defined
 

You know, Jeff, all this stuff is going to go completely over bubbles'
head.


Hey, don't you own one of those cup boat Catalina 28's???
Bwahahahahahaha! If you can dream it...it is!

RB
35s5....a square rigged boat!
NY

Performance Defined
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
You know, Jeff, all this stuff is going to go completely over bubbles'
head.


Hey, don't you own one of those cup boat Catalina 28's???
Bwahahahahahaha! If you can dream it...it is!

RB
35s5....a square rigged boat!
NY


WTF? I think you need to lay off the sugar snacks, bubbles.

John Cairns

Performance Defined
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
And yet, it will go upwind faster than your boat in a breeze.

Not higher than 40 degrees it won't!

Lets see those polars, boobie! I've already shown how a 407 and 99
don't really do any better than 45. Ranting on about how you have to
do 40 just shows that you're a total fool!

And not in light air AT ALL it
won't. Tedious tacking, poor in light air, numb helm boat!!!

I can live with my choice. It doesn't bother me that you might have
the best boat within 3 miles of your slip. But then, I can cruise the
entire world; you're stuck thinking that Execution Rock is the gateway
to "deep into the Sound"! BWHAHAHAHAHA!



You bought a "racer/cruiser" that might be a good racer but is
a below average cruiser.

While good performance is not open to wild interpretation with
sailboats,

According to what? Your fictitious book?

what makes a good cruiser certainly is. My friend cruises
his J30 and finds it to be perfect. Same for the tiny Bristol 27.

You always have a convenient "friend" that supports your every claim.
I'll bet you had an imaginary friend as a child!

Just
because you need a floating livingroom at sea, doesn't mean the rest of
the world wants that! Zikes!

You're just dripping with envy, aren't you boobie? Just because you
think you need a boat that points at 40 degrees, doesn't mean that
there's another non-racer that cares about it.

Its a good thing to, because your boat won't actually point at 40
degrees; not with that wing keel, and you know it! Even if your
compass says you're doing 40, you'll be making about 8 degrees of
leeway! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! cough choke ... Scuze me!




It has three staterooms, two with queen size bunks, all
with great ventilation, standing room and plenty of lockers.

It's a much bigger boat, Jeff, or do you thing boats are only measured
LOA?

That's why I've gone easy on you, Bob. I was taught not to make fun
of the less fortunate.




carry a dinghy on davits and a kayak on deck.

You have to. You sure won't have any fun sailing! Might I suggest
towing a J22?

I've always been partial to Solings.


So I ask the assembled masses: which boat has or will best fulfill its
intended purpose,

Our boat hasn't even been delivered yet, but based on your reaction to
it...I guess we win again!

You bought a "racer/cruiser" that might be a good racer but is
a below average cruiser. Given that its hard to call it a "great
performer."

Why is it hard? It won boat of year for it's performance and design.
Various magazines called it a performance boat. And that's what it is.
A J29 is also a performance boat, Jeff, even if I sail it on a pond or
stuff it in a hanger.

A head
and shower that you can actually use underway.

I used the head underway and in 20 knots. What exactly do you find
problematic? Are you unable to move your bowels or urinate on an angle?

I guess it helps to have a nurse around full time to clean you up.

Performance Defined
 

ts a good thing to, because your boat won't actually point at 40
degrees; not with that wing keel, and you know it!


Owners of the 35s5 report making better than 6 knots at 35 degrees
COMMONLY. The 35s5 and several other First series boats have been noted
for excellent upwind ability, besting some pure racers when newer more
advanced sails were used.
Why not ask some owners and see what they have to say? It's easy to
just jump up an down and yell "No, no no!"
But you might be better served by the facts and actual experiences from
owners, as I have.

RB
35s5...the more close winded boat
NY

Performance Defined
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
ts a good thing to, because your boat won't actually point at 40
degrees; not with that wing keel, and you know it!


Owners of the 35s5 report making better than 6 knots at 35 degrees
COMMONLY.

Its those imaginary friends again.

Here's a hint: all of those reports are to the apparent wind, not the
true wind. You do understand the difference, don't you?

The 35s5 and several other First series boats have been noted
for excellent upwind ability, besting some pure racers when newer more
advanced sails were used.
Why not ask some owners and see what they have to say? It's easy to
just jump up an down and yell "No, no no!"
But you might be better served by the facts and actual experiences from
owners, as I have.

yada yada yada

lets see those polars, boobie! show us the polars!



RB
35s5...the more break winded boat
NY