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Muslim rioters throughout France burned cars, shot at policemen, and
launched gasoline bombs on schools and churches. Over 1,200 people have
already been arrested. This rioting follows on the heels of a true
Darwin Award situation, wherein two Muslim juvenile delinquents fleeing
French police holed up in a power plant and shocked themselves to
death. Of coures it's the West putting down the poor muslims.

In the typically French way, President Jacques Chirac stated publicly
that the French republic would remain "stronger than those who want to
sow violence or fear." Privately, however, he told the president of
Latvia that the riots were France's fault, largely due to the
"ghettoisation [sic] of youths of African or North African origin" and
France's "incapacity to fully accept them."

Maybe, just maybe, Europe doesn't get it.

When Muslim terrorists murder 3,000 Americans on Sept. 11, the European
response is to lecture Americans about their "intolerance". When
Muslim terrorists bomb Madrid, the European response is to elect a
socialist apologist for Islamist terrorism. When Muslim terrorists bomb
London, the European response is to complain about increased safety
measures. And when Muslims riot and burn half of France, the European
solution is to apologize for their own close-mindedness.

This is called enabling. The global Muslim community has shown itself
to be aggressive internationally, isolationist domestically and often
violent religiously. The solution to such behavior isn't kowtowing -
it's strong and forceful opposition. Yet because of political
correctness, because so many on the international left are afraid to
label the indefensible as indefensible, Western Civilization finds
itself in flames.

Because this is only the first step. Historically speaking, France, as
detestable as it has been since at least the French Revolution, has
been a bellwether for Western Civilization. The French Revolution
viciously initiated the rise of liberal democracy; the Paris Revolution
of 1848 inflamed revolution throughout Europe; French inadequacy during
World War II plunged Europe into extended darkness; French involvement
in Vietnam led to American involvement; France's inability to hold
Algeria signaled an end to colonialism; French capitulation to
terrorism (in Algeria as elsewhere) has from the beginning boded ill
for the fate of Westerners engaged in the struggle against Islamism.

Should Western Civilization adopt the "multicultural" policy-making of
the French government, all of Western Civilization could meet the fate
France currently faces. France has allowed its Muslim minority to
remain insulated and extreme. France has virtually ignored its
burgeoning population problem - decline of native population combined
with a drastic rise in Muslim immigration has quickly changed the
character of the country. And France's foreign policy has been
spineless and capitulatory from the beginning, shrugging off Islamist
terrorism by citing to differences in political and social perceptions
in the Muslim world.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=47332
By Ben Shipiro

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A lightbulb should go off in the heads of Americans while watching what
is going on in France. What will we do when one day the millions of
Mexicans who have entered the US and spread throughout the country
decide to start rioting and burning.

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"rgnmstr" wrote in message
ups.com...
A lightbulb should go off in the heads of Americans while watching what
is going on in France. What will we do when one day the millions of
Mexicans who have entered the US and spread throughout the country
decide to start rioting and burning.

It's already happening. Most of the crime in my area (murder) is from
illegals.

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"rgnmstr" wrote...
A lightbulb should go off in the heads of Americans while watching what
is going on in France. What will we do when one day the millions of
Mexicans who have entered the US and spread throughout the country
decide to start rioting and burning.


Dang, Loco, did you really write that? You wear one o' them pointy hoods
too?

And if you don't like all a-them Hispanicals entering the country
illegally, then why do you support the guy in charge who has not only
shrugged off the problem, but encouraged more?


Bob Crantz wrote:
It's already happening. Most of the crime in my area (murder) is from
illegals.


Murder is not the same as rioting.

DSK

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In article . com,
rgnmstr wrote:
A lightbulb should go off in the heads of Americans while watching what
is going on in France. What will we do when one day the millions of
Mexicans who have entered the US and spread throughout the country
decide to start rioting and burning.

Unlikely, as they pretty much have full employment. :-)

Heck, my gardener has two other businesses on the side.




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"DSK" wrote in message
...
"rgnmstr" wrote...
A lightbulb should go off in the heads of Americans while watching what
is going on in France. What will we do when one day the millions of
Mexicans who have entered the US and spread throughout the country
decide to start rioting and burning.


Dang, Loco, did you really write that? You wear one o' them pointy hoods
too?

And if you don't like all a-them Hispanicals entering the country
illegally, then why do you support the guy in charge who has not only
shrugged off the problem, but encouraged more?


Bob Crantz wrote:
It's already happening. Most of the crime in my area (murder) is from
illegals.


Murder is not the same as rioting.

I forgot to mention the Cinco de Mayo and Zoot Suit Riots.


DSK

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Dang, Loco, did you really write that? You wear one o' them pointy
hoods
too? ..

Well Doug that's a nice accusation. My gripe is not with legal
immigration. It's with the millions who just walk in every year
illegally. My gripe is with the criminals and thugs who walk in
illegally every year and that's a fact. My gripe is with the illegals
who get here and want everything changed to accomadate THEM. They
don't want to learn the language. They don't want to take a
citizenship test. They just want to run for office so they can change
things to suit themselves. They don't want to join America. Does your
accusation mean you approve of breaking the law?

France again
 

Dang, Loco, did you really write that? You wear one o' them pointy
hoods
too? ..

rgnmstr wrote:
Well Doug that's a nice accusation.

It's a lovely thing that you said, too.


... My gripe is not with legal
immigration. It's with the millions who just walk in every year
illegally. My gripe is with the criminals and thugs who walk in
illegally every year and that's a fact. My gripe is with the illegals
who get here and want everything changed to accomadate THEM.

I notice you didn't answer my question about your support of the
administration that is actively encouraging this... after all, the
Wal-Mart economy thrives on an excess of cheap labor.

.... They
don't want to learn the language. They don't want to take a
citizenship test. They just want to run for office so they can change
things to suit themselves.

You could be talking about the Christian Right, y'know.

.... Does your
accusation mean you approve of breaking the law?


Hardly. For example, I find it outrageous that the state of North
Carolina has written laws that require the driver's license to be given
in practically any language. The common language here is English, and a
person can not speak it & read it well enough to interact with other
drivers, read signs, understand police, etc etc, then they should be
actively prohibited from driving here.

OTOH I am learning Spanish and am beginning to use it several times a
week. Hay muchos problemos con esta machina, no? Es dificil por el
trabajando? Gracias, amigo.

Loco, my ancestors were not welcomed here. For at least two or three
generations, the Irish were servants and stoop labor. I'm not in favor
of illegal immigration, IMHO it's one more item on a long list of ways
Bush Administration is screwing the country. But let's not play back
porch bigot, OK?

DSK

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In article .com,
rgnmstr wrote:
Dang, Loco, did you really write that? You wear one o' them pointy
hoods
too? ..

Well Doug that's a nice accusation. My gripe is not with legal
immigration. It's with the millions who just walk in every year
illegally. My gripe is with the criminals and thugs who walk in
illegally every year and that's a fact. My gripe is with the illegals
who get here and want everything changed to accomadate THEM. They
don't want to learn the language. They don't want to take a
citizenship test. They just want to run for office so they can change
things to suit themselves. They don't want to join America. Does your
accusation mean you approve of breaking the law?

I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it is
criminal intent. I don't think it's possible to close the border
logistically speaking. If the number were reduced due to improved
conditions below the border, then it would be much, much easier to
enforce border integrity. We don't have much of a border issue from
Canada in a large part because of the better economic condition
there.

My experience with Mexican nationals in the US is that they
desperately want a better life for themselves and their families, and
will take just about any job or surmount any hardship to accomplish
that. Most do have some English language skills, but are not really
given much opportunity to learn in a formal way. Some would like to
bar their kids from going to school. This makes no sense, since it
perpetuates the situation.

I like the idea of a guest worker program, but this isn't the entire
solution. In many ways, the US would not be able to function without
the kind of workers that are now here illegally.






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I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it
is
criminal intent.

Exactly. Until Mexico changes someday and eliminates corruption
nothing will change. Millions have been invested in Mexico and the
masses still don't have jobs. The rulling class got richer though.
Also, although many talk about the willingness of Mexicans to work many
companies have tried to set up shop in Mexico only to decide afterwards
they have to leave because of the poor quality of workmanship. Lionel
Trains tried manufacturing in Mexico and had to quit after only a few
years. Where did they go? China. A number of southern Calif. boat
builders tried Mexico. They also left. Along with poor quality every
gov. dimwit in Mexico has his hand out. You gotta wonder about a
country that has a president who gives a neighboring country **** for
not wanting millions of his people to stream across their boarder. Why
would a president want people to leave?

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In article . com,
rgnmstr wrote:
I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it
is
criminal intent.

Exactly. Until Mexico changes someday and eliminates corruption
nothing will change. Millions have been invested in Mexico and the
masses still don't have jobs. The rulling class got richer though.
Also, although many talk about the willingness of Mexicans to work many
companies have tried to set up shop in Mexico only to decide afterwards
they have to leave because of the poor quality of workmanship. Lionel
Trains tried manufacturing in Mexico and had to quit after only a few
years. Where did they go? China. A number of southern Calif. boat
builders tried Mexico. They also left. Along with poor quality every
gov. dimwit in Mexico has his hand out. You gotta wonder about a
country that has a president who gives a neighboring country **** for
not wanting millions of his people to stream across their boarder. Why
would a president want people to leave?

It's not universally like that in Mexico. For example, they have good
yards in Ensenada and south I believe (no direct experience, but from
what I've read).

Mexicans have a tough life. Corruption is terribly oppressive, but I'm
not sure what we can do about it directly.




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It's a lovely thing that you said, too..

Hey, All I did was point out what could happen here someday.

I notice you didn't answer my question about your support of the
administration that is actively encouraging this... after all, the
Wal-Mart economy thrives on an excess of cheap labor.

It's not all about Wal-Mart and big business. It about platcating a
group of people. It's about not offending a group of people. It's
about political correctness. It's about votes! The thing Bush and
everyone else that cheers for the illegals don't understand is that
down the road the Mexicans in this country won't give a hoot about them
when they take over the southern states.

You could be talking about the Christian Right, y'know. .

Don't think so.


Hardly. For example, I find it outrageous that the state of North
Carolina has written laws that require the driver's license to be given

in practically any language. The common language here is English, and a

person can not speak it & read it well enough to interact with other
drivers, read signs, understand police, etc etc, then they should be
actively prohibited from driving here.

Hell some people felt it was just fine when the middle eastern women
wanted to keep her veil on for her Fla. driver's license photo. That's
what I'm talking about when I say foreigners today don't want to
assimilate. In southern states that boarder Mexico where Mexicans have
won political office they have passed laws to changed the official
language of the town or city to Spanish. Is that joining up?

France again
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
rgnmstr wrote:
I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it
is
criminal intent.

Exactly. Until Mexico changes someday and eliminates corruption
nothing will change. Millions have been invested in Mexico and the
masses still don't have jobs. The rulling class got richer though.
Also, although many talk about the willingness of Mexicans to work many
companies have tried to set up shop in Mexico only to decide afterwards
they have to leave because of the poor quality of workmanship. Lionel
Trains tried manufacturing in Mexico and had to quit after only a few
years. Where did they go? China. A number of southern Calif. boat
builders tried Mexico. They also left. Along with poor quality every
gov. dimwit in Mexico has his hand out. You gotta wonder about a
country that has a president who gives a neighboring country **** for
not wanting millions of his people to stream across their boarder. Why
would a president want people to leave?

It's not universally like that in Mexico. For example, they have good
yards in Ensenada and south I believe (no direct experience, but from
what I've read).

Mexicans have a tough life. Corruption is terribly oppressive, but I'm
not sure what we can do about it directly.

Invade and install a democratic government!

Amen!







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It's a lovely thing that you said, too..

rgnmstr wrote:
Hey, All I did was point out what could happen here someday.

Oh yeah. And all Bobsprit does is brag about "his" nice boat.

And BTW we have already had race riots in this country. Some folks seem
to be pushing in that direction again, I guess because they have forgotten.

I notice you didn't answer my question about your support of the
administration that is actively encouraging this... after all, the
Wal-Mart economy thrives on an excess of cheap labor.

It's not all about Wal-Mart and big business. It about platcating a
group of people. It's about not offending a group of people. It's
about political correctness.

I see, you object to "political correctnoess." That does not excuse
making bigoted remarks and setting out to demean & diminish an entire
class of citizens.

... It's about votes! The thing Bush and
everyone else that cheers for the illegals don't understand is that
down the road the Mexicans in this country won't give a hoot about them
when they take over the southern states.


You mean, the way you give a hoot about them now? Maybe the Hispanics
are all working themselves up over worrying about whether or not white
Anglo-Saxon people are goint to riot.


Anyway, you could be talking about the Cuban embargo, too.

I agree that it's about votes, but a political party that intend to
diminish civil rights, stamp out equality among citizens, and push wage
levels down, needs to be willing to use a little more care with their
bigoted rhetoric. There is such a thing as pushing too many people too far.

You could be talking about the Christian Right, y'know. .

Don't think so.


rgnmstr wrote:
They don't want to assimilate. They just want to run for office so they can change
things to suit themselves.

That describes the Christian Right to a T.



Hell some people felt it was just fine when the middle eastern women
wanted to keep her veil on for her Fla. driver's license photo.

That was ridiculous. It was also only one incident, highly publicized...
of course by the "liberal biased media."

... That's
what I'm talking about when I say foreigners today don't want to
assimilate.

Some don't, but most do. After all, they came here for jobs and a better
chance for their children.

.... In southern states that boarder Mexico where Mexicans have
won political office they have passed laws to changed the official
language of the town or city to Spanish. Is that joining up?


Sort of like the way a 1% vote margin gave President Bush a mandate to
stack the Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs. Wade? And let's not forget,
Texas & New Mexico & Nevada & California were originally a part of
Mexico anyway. If they can summon a voting majority, then let them
change what they will. It's democracy. I guess Anglo-Saxon descended
people who can't stand it will either have to get up and vote more, or
move out.

DSK

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In article ,
Bob Crantz wrote:
Mexicans have a tough life. Corruption is terribly oppressive, but I'm
not sure what we can do about it directly.

Invade and install a democratic government!

Amen!


Right after Canada! Oh wait, we tried that. How about
Vietnam... oops. Ok, I got it. North Korea right after France!



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I see, you object to "political correctnoess." That does not excuse

making bigoted remarks and setting out to demean & diminish an entire
class of citizens.

Doug, that's the first thing left wingers say these days. Somebody is
a bigot if they say anything about another group whether it's true or
not. If you feel better calling me a cone headed biggot then go ahead.
Has nothing to do with the fact that illegal immigration is draining
the resourses of certain parts of this country. Has nothing to do with
the fact that we don't know who's walking in every day across our
southern borders.

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rgnmstr wrote:
Doug, that's the first thing left wingers say these days.

Hmmm... left-winger, am I?

Let's see, I'm a veteran, a Southerner, an NRA member (not active),
anti-union, a stock market investor... and being a left winger at the
same time would be a bit of a stretch. I'm flattered that you think I'm
so multi-talented.

If you don't want people to think you're a bigot, then don't make
bigoted remarks. I grew up in a small Southern town, and I've heard all
I care to of such talk. If you had ever served in the military alongside
blacks & Hispanics & Philipinos & everybody else that has come be
Americans, all doing their duty as best they can, you'd be ashamed of
yourself.

Has nothing to do with the fact that illegal immigration is draining
the resourses of certain parts of this country. Has nothing to do with
the fact that we don't know who's walking in every day across our
southern borders.


Uh huh. And so, blame the left-wingers for it, when President Bush is
winking the whole time. Who offered amnesty for illegals? Who has been
in charge of the INS while illegal immigration climbs thru the roof? Who
has declared "war on terror" and then left the back door open?

DSK

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Sort of like the way a 1% vote margin gave President Bush a mandate
to
stack the Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs. Wade? And let's not forget,

Texas & New Mexico & Nevada & California were originally a part of
Mexico anyway. If they can summon a voting majority, then let them
change what they will. It's democracy. I guess Anglo-Saxon descended
people who can't stand it will either have to get up and vote more, or
move out. .

As you know every president wants his guy in. Bush is no different
from the Dems. As far as Row vs Wade. I'm sick of that issue being
the definitive item describing every canidate for every office. I'm
more concerned about corruption, over spending, pork barrel projects,
ellected jerks comming out of office wealthy, fabulous government
retirement deals, gov people with no work jobs, etc. How about the
liberal Supreme Courts rulling this year that allows local governments
to take private property and give it to private developers? Are you
ready to give your house to a guy who wants your lot to build a strip
center? I can't wait till that's overturned and it will be.

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My conclusion is that AZ, NM, Texas and probably California would
grind
to a halt without the illegals doing all the 'scut work' jobs.

No, the greedy business owners would just have to start paying a wage
that Anglos would work for. It's just like the landscapers where I
live. Landscapers are charging a fortune but are hiring illegals to do
the bull work. Then the "landscaper" is pocketing the majority of the
outragous money he gets from the stupid homeowner. They charge a
$1,000 to dig up a few old plants and replace them. The illegals go
home with fifty bucks.

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If you don't want people to think you're a bigot, then don't make
bigoted remarks. I grew up in a small Southern town, and I've heard all

I care to of such talk. If you had ever served in the military
alongside
blacks & Hispanics & Philipinos & everybody else that has come be
Americans, all doing their duty as best they can, you'd be ashamed of
yourself.

Once again I didn't make a biggoted remark. You took it that way. As
far as serving......... Vietnam 66. Where were you?

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Please be a lot more specific. Did you vounteer, or were you
drafted? Where
exactly did you serve and what did you do? Someone who just says
"Vietnam 66"
sounds like they are full of ****, to put it politely.

Volunteered. 4 years U.S. Navy. I don't bother lieing on here. I
don't have anything to prove. Full of ****? I like that. Your
turn.

France again
 

rgnmstr wrote:
Once again I didn't make a biggoted remark. You took it that way.

Actually I did not accuse you of being a bigot, and was very careful to
only imply your remark was bigoted to the same degree that you implied
Hispanics were less loyal Americans than you (and presumably I, but then
you turned on me as a "left winger" pretty quickly).


... As
far as serving......... Vietnam 66. Where were you?


I was in grammar school. OTOH I was off the coast of Libya, the Gulf of
Sidra to be exact, in 1981 and off the coast of Lebanon in 1982; and off
the coast of Nicaragua in 1986; and a couple of other fun vacation spots
in between.

Lately I've been hearing a lot of increased chatter from people who
should know better. World wide war on all Moslems, torture any suspected
terrorists, kick out all foreigners, put minorities back in their
places, put women back in their place, make kids cut their hair (and
stop dying it weird colors) and stop listening to awful music, etc etc.
There's a fine line in this kind of talk, some of it is harmless and
some of it is poisonous and hateful. I am not accusing you of being over
the line but I am much more comfortable declaring where I stand when it
becomes a question.

If that says "left-winger" to you, then great.

Now how about getting back to sailing?

Regards
Doug King ex-BT1(SW)

France again
 

So, you are one of the skaters who joined the Navy to avoid going
to Viet Nam and being on the ground. Got it! Sorry your draft number
wasn't Higher so yu could avoid service of any kind .

Funny, I've never heard anyone who has served accuse anyone who served
in another branch of skating. As far as not being on the ground
............ that's funny too. Being on the water in Nam was no picnic
either. You sir are a looser.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
rgnmstr wrote:
Doug, that's the first thing left wingers say these days.

Hmmm... left-winger, am I?

Let's see, I'm a veteran, a Southerner, an NRA member (not active),
anti-union, a stock market investor... and being a left winger at the
same time would be a bit of a stretch. I'm flattered that you think I'm
so multi-talented.

If you don't want people to think you're a bigot, then don't make
bigoted remarks. I grew up in a small Southern town, and I've heard all
I care to of such talk. If you had ever served in the military alongside
blacks & Hispanics & Philipinos & everybody else that has come be
Americans, all doing their duty as best they can, you'd be ashamed of
yourself.

Has nothing to do with the fact that illegal immigration is draining
the resourses of certain parts of this country. Has nothing to do with
the fact that we don't know who's walking in every day across our
southern borders.


Uh huh. And so, blame the left-wingers for it, when President Bush is
winking the whole time. Who offered amnesty for illegals? Who has been
in charge of the INS while illegal immigration climbs thru the roof? Who
has declared "war on terror" and then left the back door open?

DSK

I love it! They can't stick Doug in a category because he thinks for
himself!

aaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!

Amen!

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
rgnmstr wrote:
Once again I didn't make a biggoted remark. You took it that way.

Actually I did not accuse you of being a bigot, and was very careful to
only imply your remark was bigoted to the same degree that you implied
Hispanics were less loyal Americans than you (and presumably I, but then
you turned on me as a "left winger" pretty quickly).


... As
far as serving......... Vietnam 66. Where were you?


I was in grammar school. OTOH I was off the coast of Libya, the Gulf of
Sidra to be exact, in 1981 and off the coast of Lebanon in 1982; and off
the coast of Nicaragua in 1986; and a couple of other fun vacation spots
in between.

Lately I've been hearing a lot of increased chatter from people who
should know better. World wide war on all Moslems, torture any suspected
terrorists, kick out all foreigners, put minorities back in their
places, put women back in their place, make kids cut their hair (and
stop dying it weird colors) and stop listening to awful music, etc etc.
There's a fine line in this kind of talk, some of it is harmless and
some of it is poisonous and hateful. I am not accusing you of being over
the line but I am much more comfortable declaring where I stand when it
becomes a question.

If that says "left-winger" to you, then great.

Now how about getting back to sailing?

Regards
Doug King ex-BT1(SW)


Lebanon 1976! During the Civil War there. I ran the Hagen Control board on D
type boilers!

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Bob Crantz wrote:
Lebanon 1976! During the Civil War there. I ran the Hagen Control board on D
type boilers!


Wasn't it really nice of Uncle Sam to let you get a good head start in
an up-and-coming hi-tech field?
;)

BTW all the Hagan boards I ever worked on could run themselves, once you
got the air flow transmitters working right. It usually took blowing
soot out of the sensing legs.

DSK

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"rgnmstr" wrote in message
ups.com...
A lightbulb should go off in the heads of Americans while
watching what
is going on in France. What will we do when one day the
millions of
Mexicans who have entered the US and spread throughout the
country
decide to start rioting and burning.


Close down all the Taco Bells?

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:
Lebanon 1976! During the Civil War there. I ran the Hagen Control board
on D
type boilers!


Wasn't it really nice of Uncle Sam to let you get a good head start in
an up-and-coming hi-tech field?
;)

Especially when those steam valves had to be opened by hand against the
electric motor drive.




BTW all the Hagan boards I ever worked on could run themselves, once you
got the air flow transmitters working right. It usually took blowing
soot out of the sensing legs.

DSK

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Bob Crantz wrote:
Especially when those steam valves had to be opened by hand against the
electric motor drive.


Is this a test? Compressed air, chief.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bob Crantz wrote:
Especially when those steam valves had to be opened by hand against the
electric motor drive.


Is this a test? Compressed air, chief.

Did those things open with compressed air? I thought it was electric motors.
I was not a BT. I remember the air vent between the two boilers that you
could sit under. At least the engine room had AC in the control room.

Do you think they still have the same OBA's?


DSK

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Bob Crantz wrote:
Did those things open with compressed air? I thought it was electric motors.
I was not a BT.

But at least your heart's in the right place.

Actually, a lot of people over in the boiler room weren't BTs either
regardless of what it said on their shirt.

.... I remember the air vent between the two boilers that you
could sit under.

A lifesaver, especially in the Persian Gulf. A friend of mine used to
bring a sheet from bunk and make himself a little air lock under vent.

... At least the engine room had AC in the control room.

Do you think they still have the same OBA's?


Last time I was on a Navy ship, a little over ten years ago, they did.
In fact I recognized the serial numbers on some of the canisters.

DSK

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The only law I ever saw a Mexicans break was
****ing in public. From what I've seen they are
a hard working people.

I'm more worried about the needy-zero's who
won't, not can't, work, and suddenly find themselves
hungry, cold, or both.

I don't mind that
"rgnmstr" wrote
A lightbulb should go off in the heads of Americans while watching what
is going on in France. What will we do when one day the millions of
Mexicans who have entered the US and spread throughout the country
decide to start rioting and burning.

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:02:59 -0800, rgnmstr wrote:


How about the liberal Supreme Courts
rulling this year that allows local governments to take private property
and give it to private developers? Are you ready to give your house to a
guy who wants your lot to build a strip center? I can't wait till that's
overturned and it will be.

Not quite accurate. Seven of the nine Justices on that "liberal" Supreme
Court, were appointed by Republicans. Secondly, while I think the ruling
was a travesty, the New London Development Corporation was "a private
nonprofit entity established some years earlier to assist the City in
planning economic development", but it hardly fits most people's
definition of a "private developer." The ruling hinged on "public use",
not private gain.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...0&invol=04-108

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When I lived in Arizona (Tucson), I noticed a few things.

There were a hell of a lot of Hispanics working minimum wage jobs.

There were 'help wanted' ads in a lot of shop windows.

There were Anglo beggars hitting on people outside shops wanting staff.

I never saw a Hispanic beggar.

My conclusion is that AZ, NM, Texas and probably California would grind
to a halt without the illegals doing all the 'scut work' jobs.

PDW

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wrote:

In article .com,
rgnmstr wrote:
Dang, Loco, did you really write that? You wear one o' them pointy
hoods
too? ..

Well Doug that's a nice accusation. My gripe is not with legal
immigration. It's with the millions who just walk in every year
illegally. My gripe is with the criminals and thugs who walk in
illegally every year and that's a fact. My gripe is with the illegals
who get here and want everything changed to accomadate THEM. They
don't want to learn the language. They don't want to take a
citizenship test. They just want to run for office so they can change
things to suit themselves. They don't want to join America. Does your
accusation mean you approve of breaking the law?

I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it is
criminal intent. I don't think it's possible to close the border
logistically speaking. If the number were reduced due to improved
conditions below the border, then it would be much, much easier to
enforce border integrity. We don't have much of a border issue from
Canada in a large part because of the better economic condition
there.

My experience with Mexican nationals in the US is that they
desperately want a better life for themselves and their families, and
will take just about any job or surmount any hardship to accomplish
that. Most do have some English language skills, but are not really
given much opportunity to learn in a formal way. Some would like to
bar their kids from going to school. This makes no sense, since it
perpetuates the situation.

I like the idea of a guest worker program, but this isn't the entire
solution. In many ways, the US would not be able to function without
the kind of workers that are now here illegally.

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Not quite accurate. Seven of the nine Justices on that "liberal"
Supreme
Court, were appointed by Republicans. Secondly, while I think the
ruling
was a travesty, the New London Development Corporation was "a private
nonprofit entity established some years earlier to assist the City in
planning economic development", but it hardly fits most people's
definition of a "private developer." The ruling hinged on "public
use",
not private gain.

Well thunder the case you cite is only one. There is a whole counry
outside of New London. In one Maryland county the county exec. tried
to take a large number of homes and small business in a waterfront area
and give it to private DEVELOPERS for the purpose of RETAIL
DEVELOPEMENT. These were homes and business that people have owned for
years. This was before the Supreme Court decision. The people went
nuts and the county exec. was stopped. The people are now wondering if
he will try again. This is just a way for big time developers to get
land a bargin prices and get in bed with those in office.

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:16:18 -0800, rgnmstr wrote:


Well thunder the case you cite is only one. There is a whole counry
outside of New London. In one Maryland county the county exec. tried to
take a large number of homes and small business in a waterfront area and
give it to private DEVELOPERS for the purpose of RETAIL DEVELOPEMENT.
These were homes and business that people have owned for years. This was
before the Supreme Court decision. The people went nuts and the county
exec. was stopped. The people are now wondering if he will try again.
This is just a way for big time developers to get land a bargin prices and
get in bed with those in office.

Hey, I said the ruling was a travesty. Property rights have been eroding
under eminent domain abuse for years. I don't like it at all, and agree
that it is a slippery slope heading in the direction you suggest. I was
only trying to clarify the New London case.

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"rgnmstr" wrote
A lightbulb should go off in the heads of Americans while watching what
is going on in France.

Now that part of what you said, I agree with. Watching what the French
gov't is doing should be part of that light bulb.

Bart Senior wrote:
The only law I ever saw a Mexicans break was
****ing in public. From what I've seen they are
a hard working people.


Of the people that I work with, the Hispanics are the ones who save up
for the future, and urge their kids to do well in school (instead of
threatening to sue the teacher). The worst thing they do is drive drunk
and think handing the police officer a 20 will fix it... but to be fair,
that's the way it works where they're from.


I'm more worried about the needy-zero's who
won't, not can't, work, and suddenly find themselves
hungry, cold, or both.


That's why I mentioned the riots of the '60s and early '70s. The U.S. is
tilting, socially and economically, and if it tilts far enough then
those on the bottom will start trying to push it back by more direct
means. As a friend of mine is fond of saying, "This is not an orderly
process." Opportunity is what America is all about, as long as people
can work hard and get ahead then they have hope in the future. If they
have no hope then why does anyone expect them to play by rules that are
only pushing them further down? What would *you* do?

DSK

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What rules are "pushing down" legal immigrants?

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rgnmstr wrote:
What rules are "pushing down" legal immigrants?


Loco, I suggest you talk to a legal immigrant... not hard to find, your
doctor may be one... and ask them about how the INS treats them. Doctors
have it particularly tough because over the past 5 years the AMA has
made it all but impossible for a foreign doctor to get licensed. Like we
have a surplus or something.

But one thing that is HURTING the U.S. is that the overseas 'brain
drain' which brought so much scientific & engineering & technological
talent here, is now reversed. We are literally driving these people away.

DSK

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BTW Loco another thing I found while poking around looking at WW1 photos
& stories: in The Great War, over 1/2 million French colonial troops
served on the European Front. Most of them were Muslims from North
Africa (Algeria, Morocco, etc etc).

Do you think any of the rioters are descendents of these men? Would you
look in the eye of a great-grandson of a French WW1 vet, and tell him
he's not a good enough French citizen to expect equal rights from his gov't?

The French have a heck of a lot of problems, their socialist system is
*very* expensive for the state to maintain. But when it is heavily
slanted in favor of certain groups and against others, why wouldn't you
expect them to complain? And get angry when their complaints are brushed
off year after year?

This should be part of the "light bulb going off" that you talked about.

rgnmstr wrote:
Well thunder the case you cite is only one. There is a whole counry
outside of New London. In one Maryland county the county exec. tried to
take a large number of homes and small business in a waterfront area and
give it to private DEVELOPERS for the purpose of RETAIL DEVELOPEMENT.

That's happened in a nunmber of areas I know about, with varying degrees
of success. It's just an example of how power corrupts.

This is just a way for big time developers to get land a bargin prices and
get in bed with those in office.


In NC, the land developers simply run for office themselves. A lot of
mayors & county commissioners are developers or real estate brokers. In
many cases, the voters don't seem to mind until they get outrageously
greedy.


thunder wrote:
Hey, I said the ruling was a travesty. Property rights have been eroding
under eminent domain abuse for years.

Yep. Even cases where the property has been grabbed for public projects,
there is often a howl because the deal is one-sided and some tasty
crumbs are tossed to the insiders.

DSK