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Loco, I suggest you talk to a legal immigrant... not hard to find,
your
doctor may be one... and ask them about how the INS treats them.
Doctors
have it particularly tough because over the past 5 years the AMA has
made it all but impossible for a foreign doctor to get licensed. Like
we
have a surplus or something..

I didn't know the INS bothered anybody. I know a number of foreign
doctors and I have not once ever heard them mention the INS. Secondly
they all seem to be doing very well. Are the doctors your talking
about citizens? As far as foreign doctors having a tough time getting
licensed I've never heard of such a thing and my wife is in the medical
profession. Doug, are you aware of the scam foreign doctor wannabes
have been pulling for years? The U.S. pays their freight to come to
this country and go to medical school with the understanding when they
are done they will go back to their country and help their people. Big
problem ........... they don't go back. If your story is true maybe
things are catching up to them because there is a surplus. I do hear
stories all the time about qualified American kids who can't get into
medical school.

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BTW Loco another thing I found while poking around looking at WW1
photos
& stories: in The Great War, over 1/2 million French colonial troops
served on the European Front. Most of them were Muslims from North
Africa (Algeria, Morocco, etc etc).

Do you think any of the rioters are descendents of these men? Would you

look in the eye of a great-grandson of a French WW1 vet, and tell him
he's not a good enough French citizen to expect equal rights from his
gov't?

The French have a heck of a lot of problems, their socialist system is
*very* expensive for the state to maintain. But when it is heavily
slanted in favor of certain groups and against others, why wouldn't you

expect them to complain? And get angry when their complaints are
brushed
off year after year?

Doug, as far as I've read over the years Europe has welcomed Muslims
with open arms. Why would the grandson of a WW1 vet still be on the
dole? I suspect he is if he's unhappy. I certainly don't know what
happened. It's only in the last few days that I hear of these problems
that they claim to have. In England the bombers were young Musliums
who were born in England and had nice lives. England welcomed Musliums
with open arms also. I'd look one of them in the eye and ask what's up
with that if they were still in one piece. All I've ever heard over
the years was how "progressive" Europe is and that there is no such
thing as racism over there.

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rgnmstr wrote:
I didn't know the INS bothered anybody.

Well, they do.

Go and ask around.

... I know a number of foreign
doctors and I have not once ever heard them mention the INS. Secondly
they all seem to be doing very well. Are the doctors your talking
about citizens?

If they were, the INS would not be an issue. We were talking about legal
immigrants, the kind who can be (and often are) sent home again. Usually
for some silly paperwork oversight, or even an outright mistake by the INS.

... As far as foreign doctors having a tough time getting
licensed I've never heard of such a thing and my wife is in the medical
profession.

Really? That's funny, *every* single foreign doctor I've ever talked to
about the subject (at least 100) has said it's a PITA... some of them
had much worse things to say.

OTOH there is a point to the difficulty... a foreign medical education
is not the same as here. Most other countries do not have the technology
that we currently employ (although that's changing rapidly)

... Doug, are you aware of the scam foreign doctor wannabes
have been pulling for years? The U.S. pays their freight to come to
this country and go to medical school with the understanding when they
are done they will go back to their country and help their people. Big
problem ........... they don't go back.

That's not what I'm talking about

Can you show any documentation of any U.S. or state program that "pays
the freight" of medical school for foreign nationals? I am aware fo some
grants but they are LOANS. In many cases, foreign students are supported
by their own gov't but not ours.

Heck, even the U.S. military does not 'pay the freight' in full for
medical school any more. And that has to be paid back in full plus more,
and not all in cash if you know what I mean.


... If your story is true maybe
things are catching up to them because there is a surplus.

If there is a surplus of doctors, then why are medical costs going up so
much? Why are there fewer and fewer doctors per capita in most areas of
the US, especially in critical specialties... most notably the ones at
the top of the liability list like neurosurgeons and OB-GYNs.

Anyway, ask at your doctors office... how many people know of Canadian,
British, or Australian nurses that used to work over here, and now have
gone back where they came from?

Back in the 1990s it was a problem in engineering that Swedish, German,
Asian, etc etc engineers were all coming over here. Now we have to go
over there. Ditto grad students in various advanced fields.

This is one of those situations where the more you look into it, the
worse it seems.


... I do hear
stories all the time about qualified American kids who can't get into
medical school.


That's because there are about 150 applicants for available spot.

DSK

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That's because there are about 150 applicants for available spot.


That doesn't answer the question as to why the foreigner gets the spot.

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That's because there are about 150 applicants for available spot.


rgnmstr wrote:
That doesn't answer the question as to why the foreigner gets the spot.


They don't.

DSK

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I completely missed that fact! Thanks for bringing it up.

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:02:59 -0800, rgnmstr wrote:


How about the liberal Supreme Courts
rulling this year that allows local governments to take private property
and give it to private developers? Are you ready to give your house to a
guy who wants your lot to build a strip center? I can't wait till that's
overturned and it will be.

Not quite accurate. Seven of the nine Justices on that "liberal" Supreme
Court, were appointed by Republicans.

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Doug said:

But one thing that is HURTING the U.S. is that the overseas 'brain
drain' which brought so much scientific & engineering & technological
talent here, is now reversed. We are literally driving these people
away.


Wrong..BS...Not true. Phd's from many talents are lined up to get into
the USA.
And they are getting in and getting the visa's, and becoming citizens.
I know first hand.

Joe

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They don't.

Doug you are wrong and if you don't think so you are out of touch.

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They don't.

rgnmstr wrote:
Doug you are wrong and if you don't think so you are out of touch.


FOr reasons that Scotty might explain to you, I am certainly not out of
touch with what happens with med school admissions.

Please give me an example of a foreign student... particularly a
non-U.S. citizen... gaining admission in preference over an American. It
may have happened now & then but it's darn sure very rare.

DSK

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Doug said:
But one thing that is HURTING the U.S. is that the overseas 'brain
drain' which brought so much scientific & engineering & technological
talent here, is now reversed.


Joe wrote:
Wrong..BS...Not true. Phd's from many talents are lined up to get into
the USA.

That was true 15 years ago but it is not the case any more.

DSK

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rgnmstr wrote:
.... All I've ever heard over
the years was how "progressive" Europe is and that there is no such
thing as racism over there.


Who says that? I guess the skinheads and the National Front and the
far-right parties in Austria & France etc etc haven't made a blip on
your radar.

DSK

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,,Please give me an example of a foreign student... particularly a

non-U.S. citizen... gaining admission in preference over an American.
It
may have happened now & then but it's darn sure very rare. .

And what kind of an example am I supposed to provide for your quiz? A
sir name and class of ? Ridiculous question. So you are involved in
some way with med schools. Then I don't have to take you for a walk on
campus at Maryland or Hopkins. You must be involved at a small private
school in Southern Maryland.

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Who says that? I guess the skinheads and the National Front and the

far-right parties in Austria & France etc etc haven't made a blip on
your radar. .

Doug, they (sophisticated europeans) have been telling us that we are
backwards for years! I suspect even you would have told me the the
groups you mention are a small minority over there but here in the U.S.
everbody is a bigot. Now I suppose after the trouble has started you
would tell us everybody in Europe is racist just like us.

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rgnmstr wrote:
And what kind of an example am I supposed to provide for your quiz? A
sir name and class of ? Ridiculous question.

Only because you have made a ridiculous accusation.

An application from a non-citizen would probably be tossed in the waste
basket at any of the schools I've heard about. It would be a tremendous
handicap in gaining admission, worse than getting all Ds in undergrad
sciences.

I'm guessing that you've heard some gripes from people who did not get
in, or whose kids did not get in. Well if they weren't THE BEST out of a
field of the top 1,000 kids in the whole state, they probably just got
outscored. The folks who review & quantify the admission applications
don't even know the names of the kids, much less any ethnic background.
Most of the process is blind, the final committee might only see the top
2% of all applicants and will only have room for the top 1/3... or
less... of that group.

... So you are involved in
some way with med schools. Then I don't have to take you for a walk on
campus at Maryland or Hopkins.

Actually I'd like to, don't get up that way often enough. But make it on
a day when the weather isn't good for sailing.

.... You must be involved at a small private
school in Southern Maryland.


Nope, further south. 1 private and a couple of state schools. My
connection is not official but I know far more than I want to about the
process. It would be different if I wanted to become a doctor myself.
Maybe I should open a school for coaching med school applicants.

Regards
Doug King

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If there is a surplus of doctors, then why are medical costs going up so
much?


Dave wrote:
Cause the guvmint's been throwing money at the medical profession in one
fashion or another for over 60 years?


Like how?

And are you saying that gov't subsidies drive up the cost of the
commodity being subsidized? That doesn't seem to be the way it works in
any other cases. ;)

DSK