In article .com,
rgnmstr wrote:
Dang, Loco, did you really write that? You wear one o' them pointy
hoods
too? ..

Well Doug that's a nice accusation. My gripe is not with legal
immigration. It's with the millions who just walk in every year
illegally. My gripe is with the criminals and thugs who walk in
illegally every year and that's a fact. My gripe is with the illegals
who get here and want everything changed to accomadate THEM. They
don't want to learn the language. They don't want to take a
citizenship test. They just want to run for office so they can change
things to suit themselves. They don't want to join America. Does your
accusation mean you approve of breaking the law?

I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it is
criminal intent. I don't think it's possible to close the border
logistically speaking. If the number were reduced due to improved
conditions below the border, then it would be much, much easier to
enforce border integrity. We don't have much of a border issue from
Canada in a large part because of the better economic condition
there.

My experience with Mexican nationals in the US is that they
desperately want a better life for themselves and their families, and
will take just about any job or surmount any hardship to accomplish
that. Most do have some English language skills, but are not really
given much opportunity to learn in a formal way. Some would like to
bar their kids from going to school. This makes no sense, since it
perpetuates the situation.

I like the idea of a guest worker program, but this isn't the entire
solution. In many ways, the US would not be able to function without
the kind of workers that are now here illegally.






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I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it
is
criminal intent.

Exactly. Until Mexico changes someday and eliminates corruption
nothing will change. Millions have been invested in Mexico and the
masses still don't have jobs. The rulling class got richer though.
Also, although many talk about the willingness of Mexicans to work many
companies have tried to set up shop in Mexico only to decide afterwards
they have to leave because of the poor quality of workmanship. Lionel
Trains tried manufacturing in Mexico and had to quit after only a few
years. Where did they go? China. A number of southern Calif. boat
builders tried Mexico. They also left. Along with poor quality every
gov. dimwit in Mexico has his hand out. You gotta wonder about a
country that has a president who gives a neighboring country **** for
not wanting millions of his people to stream across their boarder. Why
would a president want people to leave?

In article . com,
rgnmstr wrote:
I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it
is
criminal intent.

Exactly. Until Mexico changes someday and eliminates corruption
nothing will change. Millions have been invested in Mexico and the
masses still don't have jobs. The rulling class got richer though.
Also, although many talk about the willingness of Mexicans to work many
companies have tried to set up shop in Mexico only to decide afterwards
they have to leave because of the poor quality of workmanship. Lionel
Trains tried manufacturing in Mexico and had to quit after only a few
years. Where did they go? China. A number of southern Calif. boat
builders tried Mexico. They also left. Along with poor quality every
gov. dimwit in Mexico has his hand out. You gotta wonder about a
country that has a president who gives a neighboring country **** for
not wanting millions of his people to stream across their boarder. Why
would a president want people to leave?

It's not universally like that in Mexico. For example, they have good
yards in Ensenada and south I believe (no direct experience, but from
what I've read).

Mexicans have a tough life. Corruption is terribly oppressive, but I'm
not sure what we can do about it directly.




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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
rgnmstr wrote:
I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it
is
criminal intent.

Exactly. Until Mexico changes someday and eliminates corruption
nothing will change. Millions have been invested in Mexico and the
masses still don't have jobs. The rulling class got richer though.
Also, although many talk about the willingness of Mexicans to work many
companies have tried to set up shop in Mexico only to decide afterwards
they have to leave because of the poor quality of workmanship. Lionel
Trains tried manufacturing in Mexico and had to quit after only a few
years. Where did they go? China. A number of southern Calif. boat
builders tried Mexico. They also left. Along with poor quality every
gov. dimwit in Mexico has his hand out. You gotta wonder about a
country that has a president who gives a neighboring country **** for
not wanting millions of his people to stream across their boarder. Why
would a president want people to leave?

It's not universally like that in Mexico. For example, they have good
yards in Ensenada and south I believe (no direct experience, but from
what I've read).

Mexicans have a tough life. Corruption is terribly oppressive, but I'm
not sure what we can do about it directly.

Invade and install a democratic government!

Amen!







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In article ,
Bob Crantz wrote:
Mexicans have a tough life. Corruption is terribly oppressive, but I'm
not sure what we can do about it directly.

Invade and install a democratic government!

Amen!


Right after Canada! Oh wait, we tried that. How about
Vietnam... oops. Ok, I got it. North Korea right after France!



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When I lived in Arizona (Tucson), I noticed a few things.

There were a hell of a lot of Hispanics working minimum wage jobs.

There were 'help wanted' ads in a lot of shop windows.

There were Anglo beggars hitting on people outside shops wanting staff.

I never saw a Hispanic beggar.

My conclusion is that AZ, NM, Texas and probably California would grind
to a halt without the illegals doing all the 'scut work' jobs.

PDW

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

In article .com,
rgnmstr wrote:
Dang, Loco, did you really write that? You wear one o' them pointy
hoods
too? ..

Well Doug that's a nice accusation. My gripe is not with legal
immigration. It's with the millions who just walk in every year
illegally. My gripe is with the criminals and thugs who walk in
illegally every year and that's a fact. My gripe is with the illegals
who get here and want everything changed to accomadate THEM. They
don't want to learn the language. They don't want to take a
citizenship test. They just want to run for office so they can change
things to suit themselves. They don't want to join America. Does your
accusation mean you approve of breaking the law?

I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it is
criminal intent. I don't think it's possible to close the border
logistically speaking. If the number were reduced due to improved
conditions below the border, then it would be much, much easier to
enforce border integrity. We don't have much of a border issue from
Canada in a large part because of the better economic condition
there.

My experience with Mexican nationals in the US is that they
desperately want a better life for themselves and their families, and
will take just about any job or surmount any hardship to accomplish
that. Most do have some English language skills, but are not really
given much opportunity to learn in a formal way. Some would like to
bar their kids from going to school. This makes no sense, since it
perpetuates the situation.

I like the idea of a guest worker program, but this isn't the entire
solution. In many ways, the US would not be able to function without
the kind of workers that are now here illegally.

My conclusion is that AZ, NM, Texas and probably California would
grind
to a halt without the illegals doing all the 'scut work' jobs.

No, the greedy business owners would just have to start paying a wage
that Anglos would work for. It's just like the landscapers where I
live. Landscapers are charging a fortune but are hiring illegals to do
the bull work. Then the "landscaper" is pocketing the majority of the
outragous money he gets from the stupid homeowner. They charge a
$1,000 to dig up a few old plants and replace them. The illegals go
home with fifty bucks.