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Capt. Rob wrote:
No. You're claiming everyone else should "kill themselves" because
they don't have it.


You're so silly. I originally posted info on my boat with NO EDITORIAL
remarks and was attacked.

That's not fair - I, along with others, immediately said it was a good
match for your sailing. I pointed out, as I've continued to do, that
is simply is not the great "cruising boat" that you claim it is. You
completely overlook the obvious shortcomings, like the tiny galley,
and the cabin you brag about is actually a crawlspace.

You even posted a bogus SA/Disp - I hope that's not why you think its
so fast!

It is a very nice boat to sail for a few hours and then return to the
dock and plug in. I have no problem with your doing that, but most
people here think that's a waste of $60K.

So now everyone gets spanked and you're
crying!

Crying??? In your dreams!!! I've never laughed so hard! You've made
a complete ass of yourself! You claimed that sleeping on a boat
without A/C would be horrific!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! You even posted all
of you pathetic assets trying to prove what a big man you are, Monkey
Balls!



BWAHAHAHAHA!

don't choke

Well, maybe you wouldn't look so jealous if you
acted otherwise.

Why would I possibly be jealous - there is not a single aspect of your
bendy that I prefer over my boat. Its slower, half the size, a poor
cruiser in almost every regard.

You spend so much time crying over my boat and it's
features...do you think you don't look jealous?

I doubt a single reader of this thinks I'm jealous. I think they all
realize I enjoy keeping buffoons honest.


Notice that Maxprop is
not getting kicked in the ass? Maybe that's because he was an adult and
said "Nice boat and good luck." Not much I could say to that.

That's what I said from the beginning. How many different post did
you make claiming it was better than everyones else's boat?

You, on
the other hand, WANT these exchanges. Probably because in real life
you're truly frustrated by you choices. You're fooling no one.

So, what are you claiming, that it was actually me who posting the
everyone should "kill themselves"??? You started this. Now you're
realizing that maybe your new toy isn't everything you claimed it was.
Its not too late - you could put it on the market in FL, save the
shipping cost and not loose too much. Hell, you might even make money!


Get real, green boy!

RB
35s5...Almost the boat he thought it was!
NY

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It is a very nice boat to sail for a few hours and then return to the
dock and plug in. I have no problem with your doing that, but most
people here think that's a waste of $60K.


Oh, Jeff....you've really raised your skirt this time!
Jeff, you're one ignorant crazy fellow! The 35s5 has more room below
than a Caliber 35 and about the same room as a Island Packet 35, and
much more room than a classic established cruiser like a Pearson 365.
She has plenty of storage, more than the Caliber and Pearson in fact
and probably as much as the IP if you don't carry 9 bags of racing
sails. Her galley is larger than the one on our C&C we're we cooked
plenty of meals without an oven. Of course the 35s5 has an oven.
In fact the 35s5 has nearly as much room below as a Catalina 34 or 36,
except the aft cabin is smaller. The 35s5's bunks are still larger and
there's more headroom as well. The 35s5 also has the biggest head of
the above boats and the largest single storage space which can hold
sails and a dinghy and still have room for a person to sleep!
Under sail the 35s5 is a performance boat, it's true. Uncomfortable?
That's relative. On a 6-7 knot day in 90 degrees you'll be motoring
those boats above (and so will you on the PDQ) while we sail.
As for the S/AD, I suggest you check her with the tall rig option which
we have.
I wonder who else thinks you can't take a trip in a 35s5? I guess
Loco's boat couldn't either, nor could Donal's, nor could my friend's
J30 (which has sailed to Florida and back).
Jeff, you're truly a self exposed powerboater...and I aint kidding.
I offered Doug the chance to find a BETTER choice and he failed. So
would you if you gave it a try.
I'm sorry, Jeff. We test sailed the boat and we know how she'll be
used. She performs better than your multi, especially here on the
sound. She's more fun to sail and has all the room we need for now and
the next few years.
No one here has a better performing boat per foot and that's a fact. No
one here has a nicer boat and that's a fact. She's basically better at
everything....just like her captain.


Robert B
35s5...now it's settled...the best boat!
NY

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I've never laughed so hard! You've made
a complete ass of yourself! You claimed that sleeping on a boat
without A/C would be horrific!!!


Jeff, you might actually gain some ground in these childish rants if
you didn't lie constantly. I said SOME nights and you then agreed than
in Florida you had some oppressive nights. That's what the A/C is for.
Sorry you have to remain "opressed" in the heat!

Robert B
35s5...still the cooler boat
NY

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Maybe that's because he was an adult and
said "Nice boat and good luck." Not much I could say to that.

That's what I said from the beginning.


Jeff, please link us to your comment that I bought a nice boat and with
no trolling critical remarks. Show us that you're an honest fellow!
I have your very first comment right in front of me....but go ahead and
look for it.
Thanks for the backhanded compliment. She IS a nice boat, suited to our
needs and then some.

RB
35s5
NY

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Gary wrote:
I have to say that comparing the Nordica and the Beneteau is really
apples and oranges.

Yes it is. The Beneteau is a much better advertised brand ;)

... The Beneteau is certainly faster but gives up
stability and durability.

Oh, I dunno, it depends on how you define those terms. The Ben 35s5 is
bigger, so even with a lower LPOS it's less likely to get rolled. OTOH
in weather serious enough for that to be an issue, it's likely to have
some problems.

... In fact with a capsize factor of 2.1, it is
not recommended to take it offshore.

Not on the short list, no.


... I hate to think what the angle of
vanishing stability is.

If it carries a CE Offshore Cat B then it's over 120 (IIRC) and is rated
for offshore sailing.

.... That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.

Uncomfortable yes, especially as the sea state picks up.

... I'd rather sail the Nordica
(anywhere)unless I was whipping around the beercans.

I am biased because I own a Truant 33, also a heavy comfy boat.


I'm somewhat biased the other way, having learned to sail in racing
class dinghies then "graduating" to keelboats that felt sluggish... I
prefer a boat with some git-up-n-go. But IMHO the Bendytoy is likely to
suffer a number of problems if sailed hard for a prolonged period, not
least of which is that the crew will have a hard time keeping fed &
rested enough to sail the boat as it needs to be.

Do you have a web site for the Truant 33? Not familiar with it.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

So we can learn about people from the choices they make.

Indeed. What we've learned about you is that possessions mean a lot to you;
that you tend to rate yourself against others by the things you've bought
vs. what they own, by the attractiveness of your wife, by the superiority of
your cameras, etc. In other words your character is that of a "material
girl," and not that of one who exemplifies the personal traits of integrity,
courage, humility, and wisdom.

Okay.

Max

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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Such a sloppy cast... I shouldn't bite really.. but I like you so....
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
Mooron bought a Nordic 30. He is clearly bought into all the full keel
crap created by sorry owners of such boat. For most sailing conditions
a fin keel boat is faster and more fun of course. Full keel boats are
nearly gone from production now for that very reason. We can assume
that Mooron is someone who listens to hype and ignores hard numbers.

Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred the
full keelers. The 38 Cabo Rico I sailed for a month in the Bahamas settled
the matter. There was no hype nor info where I was living at the time..
Yellowknife. Most of the sailboats there were fin keelers. My friends
prefer sailing on my boat due to it's design and well mannered behaviour.
It's way more comfortable and can easily handle the worst of gales we are
subject to up there. It can easily carry the supplies for an extended trip
and has no problem keeping pace with much larger fin keelers.

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and power
under sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks
like every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

Don't bother, CM. He'll never get it.

We sailed a number of boats before buying the Sea Sprite 34 we now own. A
daysail on a Catalina 34 in 3' closely-space chop made both my wife and me
queasy. We never get that on Clover. What we do get is a very decent ride,
even in nasty seas, and speed on par with any Catalina 34 afloat. Read
Ferenc Mates' chapter on the Sea Sprite (Luders) 34 in his book Best Boats.
He sums it up rather well.

Full keels don't necessarily mean slow. Given the right conditions,
Bubbles' fin keel Bendy Toy won't be in view over your transom after an hour
or so. And he and his crew will be beat to death while you and yours will
be comfortable and feeling secure. Granted, on those nice 10kt days with
flat water he'll leave you and me behind. But that ability is little
consolation when the seas and winds play rough, or when cruising in a
variety of conditions. Lastly, my boat and yours will probably be worth
more than they are now if and when we put them on the block down the road.
Bubbles' plastic fantastic will be worth about half what he paid for it in
ten years. Such is the plight of mass-produced boats for the masses.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

How can you state a fin keeler will track better than a full keeler???

How can you state a fin keeler is better balanced than a full keeler?

Performance??? It's a measure of a vessel's ability to undertake a task
required.... mine does so consistantly.

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines.

What makes you think a Swan has nice lines?? The value?? Look bob... a
Swan may be an expensive boat... but a Rolex is an expensive watch....
neither of which performs to it's value.

A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

I don't think so Bob... anybody voting that knock off as original or
unique would be either daft, drunk or bribed. It's a white look alike
knock-off that could only win a design contest with other white lokk alike
knock offs.

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!

CM
Nordica 30 - Classic Lines, Grace & Power Under Sail

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable

Fer Gawd's sake Bob.... you haven't left the bay yet!!!!

In the last few years you haven't made a 100 nm passage as yet!!

You don't have any idea of comfort except for a daysail in a protected
harbour!!!

Good Grief!!! [ Hah... got to use that back at Ya!]

CM

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Well put Gary..... Well put!

CM

"Gary" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:
That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.


Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable and a
lot more fun to sail than our friend's passage making Tayana 48 or
Pearson Wanderer. And as you may have read, capsize factors are far
from the only determining factor in seaworthiness. In Europe the 35s5
is considered a very offshore capable vessel and is used as such. I've
spoken to plenty of owners who've made fast fun passages with
them...again all relative. I like comfy too, but where we sail most
comfy sailboats use a lot of fuel.

Robert B
35s5
NY

I not talking about comfort in terms of a nice interior, I'm talking about
ride. Interiors can be changed, the ride can't. I have to laugh at the
term "offshore capable". What does that mean? It floats? Open 60's are
"offshore capable" but one would hardly cruise in one.

In the world of sailing, a lot of boats are offshore capable but a select
few are reknown as great cruisers. I don't think the Beneteaus make that
grade. They are built to a price point like Hunters and Catalinas etc.
While they can be successfully cruised and competitively raced, there are
boats more appropriate for both activities.

I like the 35s5. It is a bit plain but it is fast and has a great SA/D
but I would prefer the blue water in something a little less lively. You
really can't out run most storms no matter what folks say. And once you
encounter one, light fast boats are still light, fast and full of spew.

Gaz