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Capt. Rob wrote:
You just don't get it - lots of boaters can afford A/C, but they just
don't want it.


And a lot of boaters have it and like it. So? Claiming a feature is "no
good" because you don't have it is pretty sad. And in our case it came
with the boat and is new. You're jumping up and down over a nice boat
feature we didn't even install. Pretty funny.


No. You're claiming everyone else should "kill themselves" because
they don't have it. Hint: No one here is envious of you because
you're afraid to anchor overnight without A/C. Having A/C because you
plan to spend time staying in the slip is fine. But claiming it makes
it a better "cruising boat" is silly. And thinking anyone is envious
is just plain stupid.



RB
35s5...the FOOL'S boat!
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Such a sloppy cast... I shouldn't bite really.. but I like you so....
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
Mooron bought a Nordic 30. He is clearly bought into all the full keel
crap created by sorry owners of such boat. For most sailing conditions
a fin keel boat is faster and more fun of course. Full keel boats are
nearly gone from production now for that very reason. We can assume
that Mooron is someone who listens to hype and ignores hard numbers.

Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred the
full keelers. The 38 Cabo Rico I sailed for a month in the Bahamas settled
the matter. There was no hype nor info where I was living at the time..
Yellowknife. Most of the sailboats there were fin keelers. My friends prefer
sailing on my boat due to it's design and well mannered behaviour. It's way
more comfortable and can easily handle the worst of gales we are subject to
up there. It can easily carry the supplies for an extended trip and has no
problem keeping pace with much larger fin keelers.

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like
every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

CM

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Even when we spent at lot of time dockside in Florida on our trip
there were only a few nights that were oppressive.


Those few nights are all I want to avoid, Jeff. Since the Air
conditioner comes with the boat should I NOT use it on an oppressive
night? What exactly IS your point? We will also carry a small 5 inch
telescope on board, to use ashore in some places we sail to. I guess
that's also a bad idea because it won't get used often, right?
Jeff, you sound more and more silly with every post. If your boat came
with AC I bet you'd have flipped it on once in a while. Maybe you'd
like it!

RB
35s5...the faster cooler boat!
NY

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Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers
at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred
the
full keelers.

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and
power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like

every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines. A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

No. You're claiming everyone else should "kill themselves" because
they don't have it.


You're so silly. I originally posted info on my boat with NO EDITORIAL
remarks and was attacked. So now everyone gets spanked and you're
crying! BWAHAHAHAHA! Well, maybe you wouldn't look so jealous if you
acted otherwise. You spend so much time crying over my boat and it's
features...do you think you don't look jealous? Notice that Maxprop is
not getting kicked in the ass? Maybe that's because he was an adult and
said "Nice boat and good luck." Not much I could say to that. You, on
the other hand, WANT these exchanges. Probably because in real life
you're truly frustrated by you choices. You're fooling no one.
Get real, green boy!

RB
35s5...The better performing boat than Jeffs!
NY

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I'm envious of those
that buy old boats and fix them up and then take off for 20 years!


That pretty much says it all for you, Jeff. I know people who do the
same, but I don't ENVY them. I'm happy for them. Big difference, Jeff.
You make choices, some good and some not so good. You shouldn't be
embittered when someone makes a better choice even on a relative level.
I can say, Nice boat. Maybe not my cup of tea, but I'm glad if you're
happy with it. If you can't do that you have a serious problem.

RB
35s5
NY

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In article , Jeff wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
So tell us Bob, are you the type of "cruiser" that always stays at
slips, or are you the type that runs a genset all night?


I'll let you know. We never had a genset before and we usually anchored
out. We took a slip at Centerport once but that was when Suzanne was 7
months pregnant. Otherwise we anchored or stole a mooring late.
We're actually taking a wait and see attitude about the genset. I have
access to a nice one, but won't install it if we decide it's not
needed. My friend has one on his Tayana and another on a C&C 34+. They
love running the AC on the more brutally hot nights.

I'm sure the people on the next mooring over love it also. Only
assholes run gensets in busy anchorages. I know - you'll claim you
would only use it if no one else is around - that's what they all say.

When I was in the Med, we had to pull into one of the commercial ports
on Sardinia. We were, amoung other things, having trouble with the
genset, which meant that refridgeration was becoming an issue (Summer
blues). We were up quite late running it, starting, stopping,
tinkering, etc. There were a couple of large tugs down the peer from
us. In the morning, we ran into one of the operators, who complained
in broken English about us making noise. He was quite nice about it
actually, and offered his mechanic's services to help us get it fixed.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers
at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred
the
full keelers.

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and
power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like

every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines. A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!
NY

I have to say that comparing the Nordica and the Beneteau is really
apples and oranges. The Beneteau is certainly faster but gives up
stability and durability. In fact with a capsize factor of 2.1, it is
not recommended to take it offshore. I hate to think what the angle of
vanishing stability is. That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride. I'd rather sail the Nordica
(anywhere)unless I was whipping around the beercans.

I am biased because I own a Truant 33, also a heavy comfy boat.

Gaz

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.


Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable and a
lot more fun to sail than our friend's passage making Tayana 48 or
Pearson Wanderer. And as you may have read, capsize factors are far
from the only determining factor in seaworthiness. In Europe the 35s5
is considered a very offshore capable vessel and is used as such. I've
spoken to plenty of owners who've made fast fun passages with
them...again all relative. I like comfy too, but where we sail most
comfy sailboats use a lot of fuel.

Robert B
35s5
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.


Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable and a
lot more fun to sail than our friend's passage making Tayana 48 or
Pearson Wanderer. And as you may have read, capsize factors are far
from the only determining factor in seaworthiness. In Europe the 35s5
is considered a very offshore capable vessel and is used as such. I've
spoken to plenty of owners who've made fast fun passages with
them...again all relative. I like comfy too, but where we sail most
comfy sailboats use a lot of fuel.

Robert B
35s5
NY

I not talking about comfort in terms of a nice interior, I'm talking
about ride. Interiors can be changed, the ride can't. I have to laugh
at the term "offshore capable". What does that mean? It floats? Open
60's are "offshore capable" but one would hardly cruise in one.

In the world of sailing, a lot of boats are offshore capable but a
select few are reknown as great cruisers. I don't think the Beneteaus
make that grade. They are built to a price point like Hunters and
Catalinas etc. While they can be successfully cruised and competitively
raced, there are boats more appropriate for both activities.

I like the 35s5. It is a bit plain but it is fast and has a great SA/D
but I would prefer the blue water in something a little less lively. You
really can't out run most storms no matter what folks say. And once you
encounter one, light fast boats are still light, fast and full of spew.

Gaz