Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Jeff owns a cat that he has to motor 50% of the time...he said so!
Doug owns a Trawler!!!!
Mooron owns a slow boat to China!!!
Katy owns a flimsy Kirie Elite!
Bart's boat is a PROJECT!!!!
Neal's boat is a CORONADO!!!!
Thom's boat is small and slow!!!
Loco's boat is dated and ugly!!!!
Steve doesn't even have a boat!
Crantz doesn't even have a boat!!!!

Now.....the First 35s5....offshore capable or fun fast daysailing or
racing...a blast on weekend trips...fantastic roomy interior...room for
adults and kids....air conditioning and heat...big cockpit and swim
platform....and on and on and on....

No boat here compares overall or feature for feature! Not even CLOSE!
All you can do is cry that we'll only sail it locally! Boo hoo!!!! I
also have a STI coming that I WON'T drive beyond 140 MPH!

Fools, all of you!

Robert B
35s5...the best boat here!
NY

Who is content with his Sailboat???
 

Perhaps a better question, who is sufficiently happy with his boat that
there is no need to brag about it?

Or, who is content enough to not have try to justify it to themselves?

Cheers
Martin
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Who is content with his Sailboat???
 

Perhaps a better question, who is sufficiently happy with his boat that

there is no need to brag about it?


I'm here to talk about my boat, Martin. It's only your jealous nature
that imagines it as bragging. It's really sad for you. My buddy owns a
Tayana 48 DS and I'm happy for him. It's a terrible shame and loss for
you that you have to kick and scream just because someone has some good
fortune.
Let it go, Martin. Someone will always have something nicer. Why be
angry and jealous over it?

RB
35s5
NY

Who is content with his Sailboat???
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Perhaps a better question, who is sufficiently happy with his boat that

there is no need to brag about it?

I'm here to talk about my boat, Martin. It's only your jealous nature
that imagines it as bragging. It's really sad for you. My buddy owns a
Tayana 48 DS and I'm happy for him. It's a terrible shame and loss for
you that you have to kick and scream just because someone has some good
fortune.
Let it go, Martin. Someone will always have something nicer. Why be
angry and jealous over it?

My goodness Rob, a lot of anger there, you'll shorten your life letting
yourself get all worked up like that. I know you'd like to think that
people are "kicking and screaming", unfortunately it's all in your
delusional little mind. I know you can't help it and it's just your way
of compensating for your shortcomings, but I'm sure that with little
professional help you'll be a find a way to better adjust to the adult
world.

Cheers
Martin
RB
35s5
NY
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Now Bob.... my boat is so much nicer than yours.... it has class, it has
distinctive lines, it has real Burmese Teak instead of cheap veneer, It has
a cockpit as big as your boat, it has 2 anchors on bow rollers on a bowsprit
that is made of solid teak and stainless, it has thermostatically controlled
diesel furnace, it has a s/s galley and 2 iceboxes, it has way more stowage
areas than your flimsy harbour daysailor, it has better nav gear, it has
much better hull and it will leave you way behind on a downwind run. my boat
is a serious sailing vessel... yours is just another dockside condo
look-alike with marginal upwind performance delivered by sacrificing lines,
seaworthiness and grace.

Don't be jealous... I'm single and have all assets paid in full. I can
easily afford to buy a much larger boat... but just look at the cheap toys
they are making nowadays.... like the C&C 35s5. :-)

CM

Who is content with his Sailboat???
 

I am , love my boat serves the purpose.
JB
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...


Perhaps a better question, who is sufficiently happy with his boat that
there is no need to brag about it?

Or, who is content enough to not have try to justify it to themselves?

Cheers
Martin
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Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Now Bob.... my boat is so much nicer than yours.... it has class, it
has
distinctive lines, it has real Burmese Teak instead of cheap veneer, It
has
a cockpit as big as your boat, it has 2 anchors on bow rollers on a
bowsprit
that is made of solid teak and stainless, it has thermostatically
controlled
diesel furnace, it has a s/s galley and 2 iceboxes, it has way more
stowage
areas than your flimsy harbour daysailor, it has better nav gear, it
has
much better hull and it will leave you way behind on a downwind run.

Where shall I start?
Your boat is dated. I like it, but it's done.
Your interior is cheaper than mine by a mile. Fit and finish on my boat
is better.
My bowsprit is ALL stainless. No rot.
I have probably double your storage. In fact the 35s5 had a 2nd aft
stateroom option which on my boat is ALL storage!
I have modern nav gear, such as the new Garmin 192c.
Your boat is not faster on ANY tack in ANY conditions. Get real!

I like your boat. It has some charm. But in the REAL world, my boat
does everything better and faster.

RB
35s5
NY

Who is content with his Sailboat???
 

I know you'd like to think that
people are "kicking and screaming",


Says Martin, while kicking and screaming.
Martin, I just have a nicer boat. What's the big deal? Even if you
don't agree, can't you just get over it, man?

Robert B
35s5...nicer boat than Martin's
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:

....


Where shall I start?
Your boat is dated. I like it, but it's done.
Your interior is cheaper than mine by a mile. Fit and finish on my boat
is better.
My bowsprit is ALL stainless. No rot.

An anchor roller is not a bowsprit. And one that drops mud on the
furler is worth squat on a cruising boat.

I have probably double your storage. In fact the 35s5 had a 2nd aft
stateroom option which on my boat is ALL storage!

What a crock! You know that isn't true! Or maybe you don't, which
would be rather sad.

I have modern nav gear, such as the new Garmin 192c.
Your boat is not faster on ANY tack in ANY conditions. Get real!

I like your boat. It has some charm. But in the REAL world, my boat
does everything better and faster.

Except sleeping overnight on a bendy would be horrific!

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Katy owns a flimsy Kirie Elite!

In most circles Elites are considered a step up from a Beneteau.
Higher performance, better build quality and a nicer interior. What a
******.

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Katy owns a flimsy Kirie Elite!

rgnmstr wrote:
In most circles Elites are considered a step up from a Beneteau.
Higher performance, better build quality and a nicer interior. What a
******.


I've heard that some of the Kirie Elite series were not well built, I
know of a 30 footer down here that is reputed to oilcan badly (although
it sails fast)... haven't seen it myself but it's also reported to have
suffered some structural mishap.

I've personally given several Kirie Elites and Kirie Feelings a close
inspection and found them to be very well built. If I could find a
Holland designed 37 K/CB that wasn't all messed up by ham-handed owners
mods, I'd probably buy it even now.

The Kirie built boats are definitely a cut above the Beneteau...
although I think any French product suffers from a bit of a negative
image with Americans ;)

DSK

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Where shall I start?

With the limitations of your vessel..... the dock

Your boat is dated. I like it, but it's done.

It's a Classic! Built when standards were much higher and Craftsmanship was
still a word used in production.

Your interior is cheaper than mine by a mile. Fit and finish on my boat
is better.

The interior of the C&C 35s5 is veneer and plastic.... no substance....
like, may I point out.. it's owner.
The interior of my boat is solid Teak... warm and comfortable and has
character... much like it's owner.

My bowsprit is ALL stainless. No rot.

What part of "solid teak" evaded you?

I have probably double your storage. In fact the 35s5 had a 2nd aft
stateroom option which on my boat is ALL storage!

Balderdash.... I have way more capacity than your flimsy harbour punt.

I have modern nav gear, such as the new Garmin 192c.
I have Furuno, Magellan, Datamarine...and Garmin!

Your boat is not faster on ANY tack in ANY conditions. Get real!

You'd be suckin' my wake downhill you fin keeled floozie!

I like your boat. It has some charm. But in the REAL world, my boat
does everything better and faster.

My boat does it in Style, Comfort and Grace..... 3 traits unattainable by
your vessel!


CM

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

I've heard that some of the Kirie Elite series were not well built, I
know of a 30 footer down here that is reputed to oilcan badly (although

it sails fast)... haven't seen it myself but it's also reported to have

suffered some structural mishap.


Doug, you're quite right. Some Elites oilcanned and build quality
varied greatly by the late 80s. The 326 we looked at was very sloppy
build quality and there's almost no resale on them here. None of the
French forums thought the Elites were better build than the Beneteaus's
of the late 80's and early 90's. Later we learned the they were only
finishing boats on order and dropping and hiring crews in between.
Quality dropped badly. I got this info from three owners and a fellow
who passed on the Elite for that very reason.
Stepping aboard the 1990 326 we found that the pedestal wobbled because
this cockpit glass was thin. Same for the stanchions. Fit and finish
below was sloppy and cheap. The layout was excellent however.
As usual Loco makes broad statements about boats with no real
knowledge. The First 35s5 is built better than ANY of the Elites.



RB
35s5...the best quality boat here
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

What a crock! You know that isn't true! Or maybe you don't, which
would be rather sad.


Like I said, the starboard storage is HUGE, bigger than any storage
space of ANY boat on this list, including the PDQ 36. It was designated
as an aft cabin on some European versions for charter. There's room for
an INFLATED dinghy in there. I'll post pics to prove it shortly.

RB
35s5...best stowage of any boat here REGARDLESS of size!
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Except sleeping overnight on a bendy would be horrific!


Why? For and aft births are over 7 feet long? We have air conditioning
and heat and 8 opening hatches and portlights. We have two DVD LCD
screens fed by a DVD player and Video Ipod. Headroom is 6'4 and our
head is sized for an adult or two!
Sailors are quite comfortable cruising on 27 foot Albergs, so why
woulld a 35.5 with three times more volume be uncomfortable. Are you
someone who's wider than they are tall?

RB
35s5...the most comfortable boat here
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

"Capt." Rob wrote:
.... The First 35s5 is built better than ANY of the Elites.

I'm glad to hear you say that, as it confirms what I said- anyone with
sense would rather have a Kirie.

DSK

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

I'm glad to hear you say that, as it confirms what I said- anyone with
sense would rather have a Kirie.


???? Unfortunatley not one owner I spoke to agreed with you. In fact
the owners said things like, "only buy the kirie if you can get it
cheap." Even the broker of the 326 said it was lightly built compared
to the First series. I'm glad to see you makie posts like this Doug.
Anyone is welcome to research the 90's Elites and find out what I did.
I also seriously doubt you inspected ANY post 1990 Elite as they are
VERY lightly built and mostly saw use in charter. Again...it helps to
check into the French forums. Oh and Donal reported sturdier build on
his First series, but I guess he's a liar!

RB
35s5...better than any Kirie by a mile...and faster!
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jeff owns a cat that he has to motor 50% of the time...he said so!
Doug owns a Trawler!!!!
Mooron owns a slow boat to China!!!
Katy owns a flimsy Kirie Elite!
Bart's boat is a PROJECT!!!!
Neal's boat is a CORONADO!!!!
Thom's boat is small and slow!!!
Loco's boat is dated and ugly!!!!
Steve doesn't even have a boat!
Crantz doesn't even have a boat!!!!

Now.....the First 35s5....offshore capable or fun fast daysailing or
racing...a blast on weekend trips...fantastic roomy interior...room for
adults and kids....air conditioning and heat...big cockpit and swim
platform....and on and on and on....

No boat here compares overall or feature for feature! Not even CLOSE!
All you can do is cry that we'll only sail it locally! Boo hoo!!!! I
also have a STI coming that I WON'T drive beyond 140 MPH!

Fools, all of you!

Robert B
35s5...the best boat here!
NY

So, Bubbles, am I to conclude that a man is measured by his possessions
rather than his character, at least in your vernacular?

Max

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
What a crock! You know that isn't true! Or maybe you don't, which
would be rather sad.


Like I said, the starboard storage is HUGE, bigger than any storage
space of ANY boat on this list, including the PDQ 36. It was designated
as an aft cabin on some European versions for charter. There's room for
an INFLATED dinghy in there. I'll post pics to prove it shortly.


Post all you want. IIRC the twin cabin version was split down the
middle, meaning the port side cabin lost space, and the head was moved
forward to where the chart table is on yours. That locker may be
large, but it wasn't he size of the cabin.



RB
35s5...best stowage of any boat here REGARDLESS of size!
NY

Don't forget, aside from our normal storage, which probably exceeds
yours, we have an entire third cabin, bigger than any of yours, to use
as a guest cabin or pantry. We keep a 13 foot kayak on deck, and it
doesn't interfere with any rigging or walkway.

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Except sleeping overnight on a bendy would be horrific!


Why? For and aft births are over 7 feet long?

And 6 inches high! And no overhead hatch!

We have air conditioning

Right. I forgot. Cruising for you means returning to the slip every
night to plug in.


and heat and 8 opening hatches and portlights. We have two DVD LCD
screens fed by a DVD player and Video Ipod. Headroom is 6'4 and our
head is sized for an adult or two!
Sailors are quite comfortable cruising on 27 foot Albergs, so why
woulld a 35.5 with three times more volume be uncomfortable. Are you
someone who's wider than they are tall?

You mean they actually anchored overnight??? Why, that would have
been horrific!!!!



RB
35s5...the most plugged boat here
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Right. I forgot. Cruising for you means returning to the slip every
night to plug in.


Ever hear of a Genset, Jeff? Ever hear of going somewhere and renting a
slip?

Oh boy. Some cruiser.


RB
35s5....a nicer boat
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Don't forget, aside from our normal storage, which probably exceeds
yours, we have an entire third cabin, bigger than any of yours, to use
as a guest cabin or pantry.


Don't forget, Jeff, the PDQ is a larger boat overall. It should have
these things, but as I was aboard the 36 I must say I was more
impressed with the space usage on the Gemini (which was much newer I
admit).

RB
35s5...a better performing boat!
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Why? For and aft births are over 7 feet long?

And 6 inches high! And no overhead hatch!

???Of course there's an overhead hatch in the V and that birth is over
7 feet. Aft cabin has opening port and ducted vents for AC and 12V fan.
On a 92 degree day it was quite comfortable.
As for the storage space, I'll post pics and that will end that. You
have no single storage space to match it's huge size...not even close.
There's also ample storage elsewhere...quite amazing for a boat of this
type.

RB
35s5
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

So, Bubbles, am I to conclude that a man is measured by his possessions

rather than his character, at least in your vernacular?


No, not entirely, but you can learn about someone by looking at the
choices they've made. For example....

Mooron bought a Nordic 30. He is clearly bought into all the full keel
crap created by sorry owners of such boat. For most sailing conditions
a fin keel boat is faster and more fun of course. Full keel boats are
nearly gone from production now for that very reason. We can assume
that Mooron is someone who listens to hype and ignores hard numbers.

Loco owns a Express 30. He also claims to have money to buy what he
wants. He also claims to only daysail and race. So why a 30 foot
cruiser/racer dated in every way? Why not a truly fast boat? We can
assume that Loco is either lying about what he can buy or is somewhat
cheap. Sadly if it's the latter, he's not being good to himself and
that's very sad indeed.

Scotty bought a Sieldemann 30. I've teased him a lot for it, but in the
real world he's a smart sailor. He ignored resale worries and bought a
boat that fit his needs NOW. Not being a man of wealth he sails a well
sized vessel that exceeded his expectations for the dollars spent. We
can assume Scotty is a tough minded individual who goes his own way
even in the face of critism, quite the opposite of Mooron.

Doug bought a Trawler. He had also been looking at sailboats prior to
that. In the end he traded his true claimed passion for a floating
motorhome. Why? Well, we can draw man conclusions. Perhaps he's not
well. Perhaps his wife applied certain pressures. When an able sailor
buys a powerboat we're always left confused.

Jeff bought a PDQ 36. It's an amazingly credible family platform for
long distance sailing. He's obviously a fellow who ignores conventional
thinking and buys what he thinks serves his situation best, rather than
making blanket condemnations such as "I'd never buy a multi."

I bought a 35s5....like Jeff I considered how we would sail, where and
how often. I made a very practical choice, picking a boat that was
great for daysails and long weekends. I also chose a vessel I knew I
could easily trade up from. My pick was more practical than emotional.
And that's how I tend to make such purchases, even when it's something
I love.

So we can learn about people from the choices they make.


RB
35s5...the Perfect Boat!
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Right. I forgot. Cruising for you means returning to the slip every
night to plug in.


Ever hear of a Genset, Jeff? Ever hear of going somewhere and renting a
slip?

Oh boy. Some cruiser.

So tell us Bob, are you the type of "cruiser" that always stays at
slips, or are you the type that runs a genset all night?

You know what we call both of these types of "cruisers" around here?
POWERBOATERS!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!




RB
35s5....a nicer powerboat
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Don't forget, aside from our normal storage, which probably exceeds
yours, we have an entire third cabin, bigger than any of yours, to use
as a guest cabin or pantry.


Don't forget, Jeff, the PDQ is a larger boat overall. It should have
these things, but as I was aboard the 36 I must say I was more
impressed with the space usage on the Gemini (which was much newer I
admit).

The earlier PDQ's were not intended as long distance cruisers and had
less stowage and ventilation. In the mid-90's hatches we added (we
have 16) and stowage was redesigned. The final deciding factor
between the PDQ and the Prout 38 was more stowage on the PDQ. (And
prout was in freefall be then.) Remember, we lived onboard for most
of two years - and we're a family of packrats!



RB
35s5...a better deforming boat!
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

So tell us Bob, are you the type of "cruiser" that always stays at
slips, or are you the type that runs a genset all night?


I'll let you know. We never had a genset before and we usually anchored
out. We took a slip at Centerport once but that was when Suzanne was 7
months pregnant. Otherwise we anchored or stole a mooring late.
We're actually taking a wait and see attitude about the genset. I have
access to a nice one, but won't install it if we decide it's not
needed. My friend has one on his Tayana and another on a C&C 34+. They
love running the AC on the more brutally hot nights. BTW, the PDQ I was
on had an expensive AC system and a genset. Your objection to these
things really makes no sense. If you like a frill get it....if not,
then don't. You have a boat that doesn't heel and that's a frill I
don't want...and it's more indicative of what type of sailor you choose
to be than any genset. Raffles Light cruises the world with her genset
and AC systems. Big deal.

RB
35s5
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Why? For and aft births are over 7 feet long?

And 6 inches high! And no overhead hatch!

???Of course there's an overhead hatch in the V and that birth is over
7 feet. Aft crawlspace has opening port and ducted vents for AC and 12V fan.
On a 92 degree day it was quite comfortable.

Stop! Stop! You're cracking us up!!! You're the only "sailor" in
history who has ever bragged about how comfortable their boat is
because it has A/C at the dock! (Except a few lonely men thrown out
by their women and forced to live dockside. So is family life getting
a bit stressful?)

You just don't get it - lots of boaters can afford A/C, but they just
don't want it. We've slept on board an average of 40 nights a year
for the last four years with only one night spent at the dock. We
don't call anchoring out "horrific," we call it a great night's sleep.
Even when we spent at lot of time dockside in Florida on our trip
there were only a few nights that were oppressive.


As for the storage space, I'll post pics and that will end that. You
have no single storage space to match it's huge size...not even close.

Unless it has 7 foot standing space, you're wrong.

And please, learn how to spell "berth." Your lubberlyness is just too
much!

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

You just don't get it - lots of boaters can afford A/C, but they just
don't want it.


And a lot of boaters have it and like it. So? Claiming a feature is "no
good" because you don't have it is pretty sad. And in our case it came
with the boat and is new. You're jumping up and down over a nice boat
feature we didn't even install. Pretty funny.


RB
35s5...the COOLER boat!
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
So tell us Bob, are you the type of "cruiser" that always stays at
slips, or are you the type that runs a genset all night?


I'll let you know. We never had a genset before and we usually anchored
out. We took a slip at Centerport once but that was when Suzanne was 7
months pregnant. Otherwise we anchored or stole a mooring late.
We're actually taking a wait and see attitude about the genset. I have
access to a nice one, but won't install it if we decide it's not
needed. My friend has one on his Tayana and another on a C&C 34+. They
love running the AC on the more brutally hot nights.

I'm sure the people on the next mooring over love it also. Only
assholes run gensets in busy anchorages. I know - you'll claim you
would only use it if no one else is around - that's what they all say.

BTW, the PDQ I was
on had an expensive AC system and a genset.

Most PDQ have outboards with baby alternators and need a genset just
to run a fridge. If I had to do it over, I might forgo the large
freezer and make do with the standard fridge (9 cu. ft.) that could be
powered by a Honda portable. But running a genset just to run A/C at
a mooring is, for a small sailboat, an abomination. (Large powerboats
and very large sailboats tend to need them, but that another issue.)

Your objection to these
things really makes no sense. If you like a frill get it....if not,
then don't.

Then why would you claim everyone should "kill themselves" if they
don't have exactly the same features that you have? This is your
issue, not mine. I like all types of boats from small dinks to large
powerboats. I know super-wealthy people who go out in beat up
powerboats for fishing - more power to them! I'm envious of those
that buy old boats and fix them up and then take off for 20 years! I
like all of the gadgets though I tend to leave them behind when
cruising. (My cars have better nav systems than my boats.) But I
don't spend all my time bragging about how my boat is better than
everyone else's. I don't list everyone's boats and claim they're crap
compared to mine. I don't list all my assets to prove how wealthy I
am. Only a pathetic, insecure jackass does these things. Someone
like you, Monkey Balls.


You have a boat that doesn't heel and that's a frill I
don't want...and it's more indicative of what type of sailor you choose
to be than any genset. Raffles Light cruises the world with her genset
and AC systems. Big deal.

RB, a pathetic, insecure jackass who might own a
35s5 which stays in a slip in
NY because otherwise it would be horrific

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
You just don't get it - lots of boaters can afford A/C, but they just
don't want it.


And a lot of boaters have it and like it. So? Claiming a feature is "no
good" because you don't have it is pretty sad. And in our case it came
with the boat and is new. You're jumping up and down over a nice boat
feature we didn't even install. Pretty funny.


No. You're claiming everyone else should "kill themselves" because
they don't have it. Hint: No one here is envious of you because
you're afraid to anchor overnight without A/C. Having A/C because you
plan to spend time staying in the slip is fine. But claiming it makes
it a better "cruising boat" is silly. And thinking anyone is envious
is just plain stupid.



RB
35s5...the FOOL'S boat!
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Such a sloppy cast... I shouldn't bite really.. but I like you so....
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
Mooron bought a Nordic 30. He is clearly bought into all the full keel
crap created by sorry owners of such boat. For most sailing conditions
a fin keel boat is faster and more fun of course. Full keel boats are
nearly gone from production now for that very reason. We can assume
that Mooron is someone who listens to hype and ignores hard numbers.

Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred the
full keelers. The 38 Cabo Rico I sailed for a month in the Bahamas settled
the matter. There was no hype nor info where I was living at the time..
Yellowknife. Most of the sailboats there were fin keelers. My friends prefer
sailing on my boat due to it's design and well mannered behaviour. It's way
more comfortable and can easily handle the worst of gales we are subject to
up there. It can easily carry the supplies for an extended trip and has no
problem keeping pace with much larger fin keelers.

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like
every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

CM

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Even when we spent at lot of time dockside in Florida on our trip
there were only a few nights that were oppressive.


Those few nights are all I want to avoid, Jeff. Since the Air
conditioner comes with the boat should I NOT use it on an oppressive
night? What exactly IS your point? We will also carry a small 5 inch
telescope on board, to use ashore in some places we sail to. I guess
that's also a bad idea because it won't get used often, right?
Jeff, you sound more and more silly with every post. If your boat came
with AC I bet you'd have flipped it on once in a while. Maybe you'd
like it!

RB
35s5...the faster cooler boat!
NY

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Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers
at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred
the
full keelers.

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and
power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like

every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines. A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!
NY

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No. You're claiming everyone else should "kill themselves" because
they don't have it.


You're so silly. I originally posted info on my boat with NO EDITORIAL
remarks and was attacked. So now everyone gets spanked and you're
crying! BWAHAHAHAHA! Well, maybe you wouldn't look so jealous if you
acted otherwise. You spend so much time crying over my boat and it's
features...do you think you don't look jealous? Notice that Maxprop is
not getting kicked in the ass? Maybe that's because he was an adult and
said "Nice boat and good luck." Not much I could say to that. You, on
the other hand, WANT these exchanges. Probably because in real life
you're truly frustrated by you choices. You're fooling no one.
Get real, green boy!

RB
35s5...The better performing boat than Jeffs!
NY

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I'm envious of those
that buy old boats and fix them up and then take off for 20 years!


That pretty much says it all for you, Jeff. I know people who do the
same, but I don't ENVY them. I'm happy for them. Big difference, Jeff.
You make choices, some good and some not so good. You shouldn't be
embittered when someone makes a better choice even on a relative level.
I can say, Nice boat. Maybe not my cup of tea, but I'm glad if you're
happy with it. If you can't do that you have a serious problem.

RB
35s5
NY

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In article , Jeff wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
So tell us Bob, are you the type of "cruiser" that always stays at
slips, or are you the type that runs a genset all night?


I'll let you know. We never had a genset before and we usually anchored
out. We took a slip at Centerport once but that was when Suzanne was 7
months pregnant. Otherwise we anchored or stole a mooring late.
We're actually taking a wait and see attitude about the genset. I have
access to a nice one, but won't install it if we decide it's not
needed. My friend has one on his Tayana and another on a C&C 34+. They
love running the AC on the more brutally hot nights.

I'm sure the people on the next mooring over love it also. Only
assholes run gensets in busy anchorages. I know - you'll claim you
would only use it if no one else is around - that's what they all say.

When I was in the Med, we had to pull into one of the commercial ports
on Sardinia. We were, amoung other things, having trouble with the
genset, which meant that refridgeration was becoming an issue (Summer
blues). We were up quite late running it, starting, stopping,
tinkering, etc. There were a couple of large tugs down the peer from
us. In the morning, we ran into one of the operators, who complained
in broken English about us making noise. He was quite nice about it
actually, and offered his mechanic's services to help us get it fixed.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers
at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred
the
full keelers.

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and
power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like

every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines. A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!
NY

I have to say that comparing the Nordica and the Beneteau is really
apples and oranges. The Beneteau is certainly faster but gives up
stability and durability. In fact with a capsize factor of 2.1, it is
not recommended to take it offshore. I hate to think what the angle of
vanishing stability is. That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride. I'd rather sail the Nordica
(anywhere)unless I was whipping around the beercans.

I am biased because I own a Truant 33, also a heavy comfy boat.

Gaz

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That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.


Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable and a
lot more fun to sail than our friend's passage making Tayana 48 or
Pearson Wanderer. And as you may have read, capsize factors are far
from the only determining factor in seaworthiness. In Europe the 35s5
is considered a very offshore capable vessel and is used as such. I've
spoken to plenty of owners who've made fast fun passages with
them...again all relative. I like comfy too, but where we sail most
comfy sailboats use a lot of fuel.

Robert B
35s5
NY

Who Owns the Nicest Sailboat???
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.


Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable and a
lot more fun to sail than our friend's passage making Tayana 48 or
Pearson Wanderer. And as you may have read, capsize factors are far
from the only determining factor in seaworthiness. In Europe the 35s5
is considered a very offshore capable vessel and is used as such. I've
spoken to plenty of owners who've made fast fun passages with
them...again all relative. I like comfy too, but where we sail most
comfy sailboats use a lot of fuel.

Robert B
35s5
NY

I not talking about comfort in terms of a nice interior, I'm talking
about ride. Interiors can be changed, the ride can't. I have to laugh
at the term "offshore capable". What does that mean? It floats? Open
60's are "offshore capable" but one would hardly cruise in one.

In the world of sailing, a lot of boats are offshore capable but a
select few are reknown as great cruisers. I don't think the Beneteaus
make that grade. They are built to a price point like Hunters and
Catalinas etc. While they can be successfully cruised and competitively
raced, there are boats more appropriate for both activities.

I like the 35s5. It is a bit plain but it is fast and has a great SA/D
but I would prefer the blue water in something a little less lively. You
really can't out run most storms no matter what folks say. And once you
encounter one, light fast boats are still light, fast and full of spew.

Gaz