US didn't torture anyone
 

Yeh, there's a great article about it in Newsweek. It would be funny except
that it's so sad.

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OzOne wrote in message ...


They let someone else do it for them!!


CIA 'jets suspects overseas'
From correspondents in Washington
March 07, 2005
From: Agence France-Presse


THE CIA uses a secret jet to ferry terror suspects for interrogation
to countries known to use torture, according to a US report aired
today.
CBS television's 60 Minutes program videotaped the Boeing 737 on a
runway at Glasgow Airport in Scotland, saying it was able to trace it
through a series of companies and executives that apparently exist
only on paper.

It said the plane had made at least 600 flights to 40 countries, all
after the September 11 attacks, including 30 trips to Jordan, 19 to
Afghanistan, 17 to Morocco and 16 to Iraq.

The plane also went to Egypt, Libya and Guantanamo Bay, according to
the report.
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The aircraft is part of the Central Intelligence Agency's so-called
"rendition" program, in which suspects are sent to foreign governments
for interrogation.

The agency has not formally acknowledged the program's existence.

A German national, which CBS identified as Khalid El-Masri, told a
reporter he was on vacation in Macedonia when he was arrested by
police and held in Macedonia for three weeks and then brought to the
airport, beaten by masked men, drugged and put aboard the 737.

The plane left Skopje, Macedonia, and went to Baghdad and then Kabul,
with Mr El-Masri saying he awoke in a jail cell where his captors
said, "You're in a country without laws and no one knows where you
are," CBS News quoted the former detainee as saying.

"It was very clear to me that he meant I could stay in my cell for 20
years or be buried somewhere," Mr El-Masri said.

He added his fellow prisoners in the American-run jail were Saudi
Arabians, Tanzanians, a Yemeni and a Pakistani who had lived in the
US.

Mr El-Masri said he had been in solitary confinement for five months
and then released without an explanation.

According to the report, the jet also made 10 trips to Uzbekistan,
where former British ambassador Craig Murray said the jet's nominal
owner, Premier Executive Transport Services, kept a small staff at the
airport in Tashkent.

Murray said Uzbek interrogators use unusually cruel methods, including
"techniques of drowning and suffocation, rape ... and also the
insertion of limbs in boiling liquid."

Murray said he had complained to his superiors that information was
being obtained by torture and sent his deputy to the CIA station chief
to inquire about the practice.

"The CIA definitely knows," he told the program, adding his deputy had
confirmed that evidence "probably was obtained under torture but the
CIA didn't see that as a problem".

He was ordered to return to London four months ago and has since left
government service, CBS News said.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote in message ...


They let someone else do it for them!!

THE CIA uses a secret jet to ferry terror suspects for interrogation
snip
Murray said Uzbek interrogators use unusually cruel methods, including
"techniques of drowning and suffocation, rape ... and also the
insertion of limbs in boiling liquid."

Isn't it funny that the usual rednecks(Joe, Neal and Bart) never answer
posts like this? It's as if they think that the evidence will go away if
they ignore it.




Regards


Donal
--

Lanod,

The simple un-altered truth is we send known terrorist and murderers
captured to contries that have the understanding of the language and
culture of the people captured. Our allies are much more attune the the
special needs and cultures of the captured. To send everyone to gitmo
would overtax our resources.

Thank you for your understanding.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Lanod,

The simple un-altered truth is we send known terrorist and murderers
captured to contries that have the understanding of the language and
culture of the people captured.

Read... send illegaly detained, ethnically profiled citizens from any
country to be tortured without chance for trial or proof of guilt despite
objections from their country of origin.

Our allies are much more attune the the
special needs and cultures of the captured.

Read.. are not encumbered by Human Rights violations and are well paid to
extract whatever confession required regardless of the truth, merit or
value.

To send everyone to gitmo
would overtax our resources.

Read... cannot undertake that type of torture under the scrutiny of the US
citizens.


Thank you for your understanding.

Read.... **** You, we'll do as we please and if it's acting like Nazi's or
Japs torturing captured civilians.. so what.. we're two faced and proud of
it.


Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Lanod,

The simple un-altered truth is we send known terrorist and murderers
captured to contries that have the understanding of the language and
culture of the people captured. Our allies are much more attune the the
special needs and cultures of the captured. To send everyone to gitmo
would overtax our resources.

Thank you for your understanding.

Joe

Love your factual explaination .... couldn't have spun it better myself!

Thats your brainwashed spin Mooron.

Would you send an arab speaking and raised person to be questioned in
Mexico?

Many of the captured you whine for are wanted for previous crimes in
the countrys that they are being sent to.

Again the insurgents are using the press in a very efficient way to
further their agenda and shamelessly you follow in step like a bull
with a ring in his nose.

If someone was mis-treated while under the control of another country,
then shouldent you be addressing that country?

Shouldent these country hold accountable the abusers just like the USA
did with the offenders of Abu Graibe?

Mooron instead of always hitching your wagon to the hate the USA Ass
team, you need to look at the whole picture? This is a global effort
to fight terrorist, not just a USA effort.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message

Mooron instead of always hitching your wagon to the hate the USA Ass
team, you need to look at the whole picture? This is a global effort
to fight terrorist, not just a USA effort.

I don't hate anyone.... I like the USA... it's just amusing to hear your
"spin" on the issues. It's not a global effort at all..... matter of fact
it's only countries being attacked by "terrorists" that have a war on their
hands. Generally those countries have managed to alienate & otherwise
antagonize a sub-group which strike using available strategy. Very few
nations have won a battle against terrorist tactics. It's goal is to
destabilize, cause panic, make headlines, revoke liberties and force the
government to implement strict measures to control the population. Sound
familiar?

The case in point being...... the taking citizens of Canada and Australia,
apprehended while enroute to other destinations through US airports,
selected upon ethnic guidelines and deporting them from the USA to Syria for
interrogation and torture. The abducted are jailed and questioned using
methods not condoned in your country. This to me is two faced.

I don't understand why this is of concern to you.... after all you are the
USA... the most powerful nation on the world today. Why allow the truth to
blind you of your ambitions?

The path to Hell.... is paved with good intentions Joe! The USA is in dire
need of some soul searching and implementation of a plan that will defuse
the current dilemma. It's obvious what you are currently doing is not only
ineffective.... but it's allowing your enemy to dictate the battlefield,
objectives and the weapons... to their advantage.

Have no fear... I will remain constantly vigilant and be there to point out
the obvious to you in your time of need.

CM

OzOne wrote in message

Jesus Mooron, any more of that and you'll be writing definitive books!

You found the post a tad too Jaxxian for your tastes???.....

CM

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:28:18 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


Isn't it funny that the usual rednecks(Joe, Neal and Bart) never answer
posts like this? It's as if they think that the evidence will go away if
they ignore it.


They'll answer, but the Govt line is too deeply embedded.


Well, I take my hat off to Joe! He was man enough to defend his position.

Neal and Bart were manly enough to keep quiet when they knew that they were
wrong. It takes enormous courage to risk being seen as a coward!!


Regards


Donal
--

Mooron instead of always hitching your wagon to the hate the USA Ass
team, you need to look at the whole picture? This is a global effort

to fight terrorist, not just a USA effort.


I don't hate anyone.... I like the USA... it's just amusing to hear
your
"spin" on the issues. It's not a global effort at all..... matter of
fact
it's only countries being attacked by "terrorists" that have a war on
their
hands.

Yeah thats what us Americans said when Hitler started his ****. We
smartened up...whats your excuse?


Generally those countries have managed to alienate & otherwise
antagonize a sub-group which strike using available strategy.

Yes they murder like cowards.....Yet we are to afford them the same
treatment an honorable member of an armed forces deserves.


Very few
nations have won a battle against terrorist tactics.

Count us in as one of the few..the proud..

It's goal is to
destabilize, cause panic, make headlines,

Yes make headline that you and Donal latch onto hook line and sinker


revoke liberties and force the
government to implement strict measures to control the population.

In WW11 I heard people couldent even go out and buy a set of tires.
They rationed Gasoline, people grew victory gardens. In other words we
have a history of suffering to ensure the American way of life. Freedom
is not free, it is only taken and held by those brave enough to die for
it.


Sound
familiar?

Oh yes

The case in point being...... the taking citizens of Canada and
Australia,
apprehended while enroute to other destinations through US airports,
selected upon ethnic guidelines and deporting them from the USA to
Syria for
interrogation and torture.

Talk to Syria if they were tortured. If that did indeed happen Mooron
then the people involved should be punished. However if they were
wanted in Syria and we have an extridiction agreement then by law we
were required to send them to Syria.

The abducted are jailed and questioned using
methods not condoned in your country. This to me is two faced.


That the pro-terrorists spin on things I'm sure


I don't understand why this is of concern to you.... after all you are
the
USA... the most powerful nation on the world today. Why allow the truth
to
blind you of your ambitions?

Why allow truth to blind you of the fact this is a global effort to
capture track down anyone who would try to pull another 911 attack.
Will you still be moaning when and if we get hit again ?


The path to Hell.... is paved with good intentions Joe!

Good intention like sitting back and not doing anything type of
intentions?

The USA is in dire
need of some soul searching and implementation of a plan that will
defuse
the current dilemma.

We have a plan


It's obvious what you are currently doing is not only
ineffective.... but it's allowing your enemy to dictate the
battlefield,
objectives and the weapons... to their advantage.

**** they are dying a 1000 to 1 of us...That seems to be in our
advantage Mooron.


Have no fear... I will remain constantly vigilant and be there to point
out
the obvious to you in your time of need.

.......thanks for your typical Canadian style support.


joe

CM