BS AlQaida had training camps in Iraq. Its a fact.

Nope, it was claimed as a fact in huge headlines during the US
invasion....then very very quietly retracted.


No, the same old line of crapola keeps getting recirculating. Notice how
nobody with any official standing in the Bush Administration says
anything about it nowadays, but they have plenty of proxies to keep on
tub-thumping... remember, if you repeat a lie often enough, loudly
enough, plenty of people will accept it as fact.

Horvath wrote:
Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret
terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and
non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains,
planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/wo...salman_pak.htm


And these are the same people that were insisting Saddam Hussein had
weapons of mass destruction.

Sure... they're totally right, Horkie!

You better *read* that web site you quoted.

DSK

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:54:34 -0500, "Vito" wrote
this crap:

"Horvath" wrote
Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret
terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and
non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains,
planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/wo...salman_pak.htm

Yes and Marines recovered many documents and turned them over to
intellegence. However, its been two years now and no government or
reputable news agency I know of has given the story enough credability to
make the news despite Bush's need to find a smoking gun tying Saddam to al
Qaeda or 9/11.

Marines found an old airline hulk and burned out buses. Since then, not a
word. No mention in the 9/11 report.



What part of "airline fuselage at Salman Pak, used to train
terrorists," don't you understand?

Mohammed Atta was trained at Salman Pak, dumbass.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:14:20 -0500, DSK wrote
this crap:

You better *read* that web site you quoted.


I have. You've already proven yourself to be the biggest liar on this
newsgroup. And that's saying a lot.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

BS AlQaida had training camps in Iraq. Its a fact.

eemmmm!
You are completely wrong, Joe.

Al Quaida did *NOT* have training camps in Iraq.

They didn't have any camps in Iraq because Saddam hated Al Quaida, and Al
Quaida hated Saddem.


Al Qaeda
established their foothold in Iraq as a direct result of the
instability
that resulted from the overthrow of the regime.


They had a foot hole prior to our liberating the Iraqi people


No, Joe ..... they did not.


Really.


Believe me.


Regards



Donal
--

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote
Correct. However, the US did NOT enter the war until Hitler made an
official declaration of war against the US in 1941. Remember, WWII
started
two years earlier in 1939.

That's mostly, but not entirely true. The US began supplying Russia and
the
UK, and loosing ships and merchant sailors early on.

You are absolutely correct. I thought that I had chosen my words very
carefully.

You, obviously, think that "trade" is the same as "entering the war".

The fact is that you did *not* enter the war until Hitler declared war on
the US.

The Jews had nothing to do with it at all.


Regards


Donal
--

Oz,

It would be a damn good idea that you read over your post and try to
find one shred of proof for any of the many accusations you've stated.

Oz would you even consider it OK for the terrorist to do those things to
their prisoners. Would the US have a right to object? Not to worry. The
prisoner of the terrorist are executed; on trail as in the 31 bodies
found shot and decapitated or the 45 killed in the Mosque. No jail time,
no trial no justification at all.

Yeah, only the US can do wrong and convicted without proven accusations.

Excuse me group. I was stupid enough to think logic would be worth
something. I really know it is useless.

Ole Thom

Vito wrote:

"Marines found an old airline hulk and burned out buses. Since then,
not a
word. No mention in the 9/11 report."

EXCERPTS OF THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT

Bin Ladin was also willing to explore possibilities for
cooperation
with Iraq, even though Iraq's dictator, Saddam Hussein, had
never
had an Islamist agenda-save for his opportunistic pose as a
defender
of the faithful against "Crusaders" during the Gulf War of
1991.
Moreover, Bin Ladin had in fact been sponsoring anti-Saddam
Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan, and sought to attract them into
his
Islamic army.53
To protect his own ties with Iraq, Turabi reportedly brokered
an
agreement that Bin Ladin would stop supporting activities
against
Saddam. Bin Ladin apparently honored this pledge, at least for
a
time, although he continued to aid a group of Islamist
extremists
operating in part of Iraq (Kurdistan) outside of Baghdad's
control.
In the late 1990s, these extremist groups suffered major
defeats by
Kurdish forces. In 2001, with Bin Ladin's help they re-formed
into
an organization called Ansar al Islam. There are indications
that by
then the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar
al
Islam against the common Kurdish enemy.54
With the Sudanese regime acting as intermediary, Bin Ladin
himself
met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in
late
1994 or early 1995. Bin Ladin is said to have asked for space
to
establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring
weapons, but there is no evidence that Iraq responded to this
request.55 As described below, the ensuing years saw additional
efforts to establish connections.
Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his
aides
may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported
strains
with the Taliban. According to the reporting, Iraqi officials
offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined,
apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan
remained
more favorable than the Iraqi alternative. The reports describe
friendly contacts and indicate some common themes in both
sides'
hatred of the United States. But to date we have seen no
evidence ====NOTE
that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a
collaborative operational relationship. Nor have we seen
evidence
indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or
carrying out any attacks against the United States.76

"Horvath" wrote
Marines found an old airline hulk and burned out buses. Since then, not
a
word. No mention in the 9/11 report.

What part of "airline fuselage at Salman Pak, used to train
terrorists," don't you understand?

The part about "used to train terrorists". The only pub's who seem to think
this are Moon's. Everybody else seems to believe the plane and busses were
used for counter-terrorist training. Since the intel people aren't saying I
tend to believe the mainstream news over Rev Moon's two publications.

Mohammed Atta was trained at Salman Pak, dumbass.

Where did you hear that ... from the Rev?

"Donal" wrote
You, obviously, think that "trade" is the same as "entering the war".

The fact is that you did *not* enter the war until Hitler declared war on
the US.

The Jews had nothing to do with it at all.

Depends on your definition of "enter". AFAIK the US did not declare war on
Germany nor send any troops to Europe until Hitler declared war - as you
say. OTOH, the US did supply both the UK and Russia - but not Germany -
with war materials on very easy credit (Lend-Lease Program) earlier and lost
a number of ships and merchant sailors lives doing so. Some, especially the
nazis, thot that constituted entering the war.

I don't understand your comment about Jews. While there was prejudice
against them it was on the level of "can't get into the country club",
nothing like in Europe. The reason is US Jews themselves. By and large they
are Americans who happen to be Jewish instead of Catholics or Baptists or
???. The vast majority don't speak a different language, dress differently,
or live in ghettos or otherwise set themselves apart like euro Jews did
pre-ww2. As citizens many Jews lobbied for the US to join the war. Other
Americans, particularly of German descent felt otherwise .... til Pearl
Harbor. The compromise was a policy that greatly favored the UK at the
expense of Hitler but stopped short of actually joining the war.

Vito wrote:
....

I don't understand your comment about Jews. While there was prejudice
against them it was on the level of "can't get into the country club",
nothing like in Europe. The reason is US Jews themselves. By and large they
are Americans who happen to be Jewish instead of Catholics or Baptists or
???. The vast majority don't speak a different language, dress differently,
or live in ghettos or otherwise set themselves apart like euro Jews did
pre-ww2.

While the East-European Jews were often "set apart" by their various
customs, the German Jew were well integrated into society for more
than a century. Extreme prejudice does not require funning clothing
as a target.