OzOne wrote in message ...


They let someone else do it for them!!

THE CIA uses a secret jet to ferry terror suspects for interrogation
snip
Murray said Uzbek interrogators use unusually cruel methods, including
"techniques of drowning and suffocation, rape ... and also the
insertion of limbs in boiling liquid."

Isn't it funny that the usual rednecks(Joe, Neal and Bart) never answer
posts like this? It's as if they think that the evidence will go away if
they ignore it.




Regards


Donal
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Lanod,

The simple un-altered truth is we send known terrorist and murderers
captured to contries that have the understanding of the language and
culture of the people captured. Our allies are much more attune the the
special needs and cultures of the captured. To send everyone to gitmo
would overtax our resources.

Thank you for your understanding.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Lanod,

The simple un-altered truth is we send known terrorist and murderers
captured to contries that have the understanding of the language and
culture of the people captured.

Read... send illegaly detained, ethnically profiled citizens from any
country to be tortured without chance for trial or proof of guilt despite
objections from their country of origin.

Our allies are much more attune the the
special needs and cultures of the captured.

Read.. are not encumbered by Human Rights violations and are well paid to
extract whatever confession required regardless of the truth, merit or
value.

To send everyone to gitmo
would overtax our resources.

Read... cannot undertake that type of torture under the scrutiny of the US
citizens.


Thank you for your understanding.

Read.... **** You, we'll do as we please and if it's acting like Nazi's or
Japs torturing captured civilians.. so what.. we're two faced and proud of
it.


Joe

Thats your brainwashed spin Mooron.

Would you send an arab speaking and raised person to be questioned in
Mexico?

Many of the captured you whine for are wanted for previous crimes in
the countrys that they are being sent to.

Again the insurgents are using the press in a very efficient way to
further their agenda and shamelessly you follow in step like a bull
with a ring in his nose.

If someone was mis-treated while under the control of another country,
then shouldent you be addressing that country?

Shouldent these country hold accountable the abusers just like the USA
did with the offenders of Abu Graibe?

Mooron instead of always hitching your wagon to the hate the USA Ass
team, you need to look at the whole picture? This is a global effort
to fight terrorist, not just a USA effort.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message

Mooron instead of always hitching your wagon to the hate the USA Ass
team, you need to look at the whole picture? This is a global effort
to fight terrorist, not just a USA effort.

I don't hate anyone.... I like the USA... it's just amusing to hear your
"spin" on the issues. It's not a global effort at all..... matter of fact
it's only countries being attacked by "terrorists" that have a war on their
hands. Generally those countries have managed to alienate & otherwise
antagonize a sub-group which strike using available strategy. Very few
nations have won a battle against terrorist tactics. It's goal is to
destabilize, cause panic, make headlines, revoke liberties and force the
government to implement strict measures to control the population. Sound
familiar?

The case in point being...... the taking citizens of Canada and Australia,
apprehended while enroute to other destinations through US airports,
selected upon ethnic guidelines and deporting them from the USA to Syria for
interrogation and torture. The abducted are jailed and questioned using
methods not condoned in your country. This to me is two faced.

I don't understand why this is of concern to you.... after all you are the
USA... the most powerful nation on the world today. Why allow the truth to
blind you of your ambitions?

The path to Hell.... is paved with good intentions Joe! The USA is in dire
need of some soul searching and implementation of a plan that will defuse
the current dilemma. It's obvious what you are currently doing is not only
ineffective.... but it's allowing your enemy to dictate the battlefield,
objectives and the weapons... to their advantage.

Have no fear... I will remain constantly vigilant and be there to point out
the obvious to you in your time of need.

CM

Mooron instead of always hitching your wagon to the hate the USA Ass
team, you need to look at the whole picture? This is a global effort

to fight terrorist, not just a USA effort.


I don't hate anyone.... I like the USA... it's just amusing to hear
your
"spin" on the issues. It's not a global effort at all..... matter of
fact
it's only countries being attacked by "terrorists" that have a war on
their
hands.

Yeah thats what us Americans said when Hitler started his ****. We
smartened up...whats your excuse?


Generally those countries have managed to alienate & otherwise
antagonize a sub-group which strike using available strategy.

Yes they murder like cowards.....Yet we are to afford them the same
treatment an honorable member of an armed forces deserves.


Very few
nations have won a battle against terrorist tactics.

Count us in as one of the few..the proud..

It's goal is to
destabilize, cause panic, make headlines,

Yes make headline that you and Donal latch onto hook line and sinker


revoke liberties and force the
government to implement strict measures to control the population.

In WW11 I heard people couldent even go out and buy a set of tires.
They rationed Gasoline, people grew victory gardens. In other words we
have a history of suffering to ensure the American way of life. Freedom
is not free, it is only taken and held by those brave enough to die for
it.


Sound
familiar?

Oh yes

The case in point being...... the taking citizens of Canada and
Australia,
apprehended while enroute to other destinations through US airports,
selected upon ethnic guidelines and deporting them from the USA to
Syria for
interrogation and torture.

Talk to Syria if they were tortured. If that did indeed happen Mooron
then the people involved should be punished. However if they were
wanted in Syria and we have an extridiction agreement then by law we
were required to send them to Syria.

The abducted are jailed and questioned using
methods not condoned in your country. This to me is two faced.


That the pro-terrorists spin on things I'm sure


I don't understand why this is of concern to you.... after all you are
the
USA... the most powerful nation on the world today. Why allow the truth
to
blind you of your ambitions?

Why allow truth to blind you of the fact this is a global effort to
capture track down anyone who would try to pull another 911 attack.
Will you still be moaning when and if we get hit again ?


The path to Hell.... is paved with good intentions Joe!

Good intention like sitting back and not doing anything type of
intentions?

The USA is in dire
need of some soul searching and implementation of a plan that will
defuse
the current dilemma.

We have a plan


It's obvious what you are currently doing is not only
ineffective.... but it's allowing your enemy to dictate the
battlefield,
objectives and the weapons... to their advantage.

**** they are dying a 1000 to 1 of us...That seems to be in our
advantage Mooron.


Have no fear... I will remain constantly vigilant and be there to point
out
the obvious to you in your time of need.

.......thanks for your typical Canadian style support.


joe

CM

"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah thats what us Americans said when Hitler started his ****. We
smartened up...whats your excuse?

The analogy to Hilter is ill fitting in this case.... it was the USA that
invaded without sanction nor cause... a sovergein nation posing no threat to
it's citizens. Unfortunatly for the mases in your country, the threat to
your nation by Al Queda and the Invasion of Iraq have somehow become
incorrectly almagamated .

Yes they murder like cowards.....Yet we are to afford them the same
treatment an honorable member of an armed forces deserves.

I do not consider cluster bombs deployed from 5000 ft and guided missles
with spent uranium payloads launched from 1000 miles to be "Bravery".....
you currently outgun your foe and yet cannot contain them.


Count us in as one of the few..the proud..

Yes.. Well.... quiant Marine slogans do not a victory make.


Yes make headline that you and Donal latch onto hook line and sinker

Which only proves you are playing their game.... but I don't pay much heed
to who's being blown up by whom and who has lost their head this week. It's
your war.... you fight it.


In WW11 I heard people couldent even go out and buy a set of tires.
They rationed Gasoline, people grew victory gardens. In other words we
have a history of suffering to ensure the American way of life. Freedom
is not free, it is only taken and held by those brave enough to die for
it.

A fine ethic to have... but it has nothing to do with the fact that a
terrorist you placed into power and armed... has turned on you. It has even
less to do with the fact you erroniously invaded a country without due
cause.

Talk to Syria if they were tortured. If that did indeed happen Mooron
then the people involved should be punished. However if they were
wanted in Syria and we have an extridiction agreement then by law we
were required to send them to Syria.

The citizens were not Syrian and had no ties to terrorism. We unlike you do
not inerfere in the workings of a sovergein nation. It was not Syria that
illegaly abducted these people... it was the USA.... nobody has extradition
agreements with Syria. The USA does have an agreement with Syria to confine
and torture persons sent to them.


That the pro-terrorists spin on things I'm sure

Not at all.... it's simple that when you make claims of moral superiority
you should accept the fact you will be held to account for it.


Why allow truth to blind you of the fact this is a global effort to
capture track down anyone who would try to pull another 911 attack.
Will you still be moaning when and if we get hit again ?

A disaster and a total failure... if not a total embarrasment for the USA is
that Osama is free and his recruitment efforts are up due to his precieved
success and invunerability.

Good intention like sitting back and not doing anything type of
intentions?

No.. more like misguided interference and aggression based on delivery of
democracy to thinly veil delusional and ill informed objectives


We have a plan

I suggest you implement it immediatly.... your current attempts are not
having much effect.

**** they are dying a 1000 to 1 of us...That seems to be in our
advantage Mooron.

Not really..... and your casualty fiqures are grossly incorrect.


......thanks for your typical Canadian style support.

We'll be there when it's justified..... like we always have been.

CM

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Mooron instead of always hitching your wagon to the hate the USA Ass
team, you need to look at the whole picture? This is a global effort

to fight terrorist, not just a USA effort.


I don't hate anyone.... I like the USA... it's just amusing to hear
your
"spin" on the issues. It's not a global effort at all..... matter of
fact
it's only countries being attacked by "terrorists" that have a war on
their
hands.

Yeah thats what us Americans said when Hitler started his ****. We
smartened up...whats your excuse?

Joe, you really are the epitomy of redneckism! You know as much about
history as you know about the CollRegs!

America did nothing until Hitler Declared war on the USA.



Regards


Donal
--

Mooron may not hate anyone, but he sure does love his chickens!

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"Joe" wrote in message

Mooron instead of always hitching your wagon to the hate the USA Ass
team, you need to look at the whole picture? This is a global effort
to fight terrorist, not just a USA effort.

I don't hate anyone.... I like the USA... it's just amusing to hear your
"spin" on the issues. It's not a global effort at all..... matter of fact
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