katysails wrote:
Winter takes its' toll on varnish in a very bad way here...

How so? I've never seen a snow cover tear up varnish the way intense UV
from the southern sun will do.

... and Mr Sails is a
varnish fanatic...its' done as a matt4er of course rather than a matter of
need...


My wife has gone from racing tactician to teak nazi. Nowadays when we
walk around looking at boats, she is as likely to criticize the
brightwork as make a comment about the rig or design. And one thing we
agree on (actually we agree on many things) is that we have never seen a
Cetol finish that looked as good as even a half-assed varnish finish
much less a good one. You can read a newspaper in the reflection off our
brightwork, which is not half-assed IMHO.

If Maxprop's boat has decent wood on it, she deserves better.

Fresh Brushes- Doug King

We tarp and humidity gets under there...what we have found is that there is
a direct relationship to the proximity of the wood pulp factory to where our
boat is moored and stored...Muskegon is an industrial town and I think air
pollution might explain some of it...our varnish jobs lasted better when we
were up farther north away from industry....
and yes, Max's boat is worth the effort of varnish, but hey, he likes cetol,
so who am I to complain?

"DSK" wrote in message
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katysails wrote:
Winter takes its' toll on varnish in a very bad way here...

How so? I've never seen a snow cover tear up varnish the way intense UV
from the southern sun will do.

... and Mr Sails is a varnish fanatic...its' done as a matt4er of course
rather than a matter of need...


My wife has gone from racing tactician to teak nazi. Nowadays when we walk
around looking at boats, she is as likely to criticize the brightwork as
make a comment about the rig or design. And one thing we agree on
(actually we agree on many things) is that we have never seen a Cetol
finish that looked as good as even a half-assed varnish finish much less a
good one. You can read a newspaper in the reflection off our brightwork,
which is not half-assed IMHO.

If Maxprop's boat has decent wood on it, she deserves better.

Fresh Brushes- Doug King

katysails wrote:
We tarp and humidity gets under there...

Humidity is bad, especially going through thaw/freeze cycles, but unless
there are already bubbles in the varnish, or moisture sealed in, I don't
understand how this is going to tear up the finish. I have some
experience with boats left outside through New England winters, and they
usually required touching up... sometimes major touching up... but
varnish up there lasts a lot longer than down here in my admittedly
limited experience.


... what we have found is that there is
a direct relationship to the proximity of the wood pulp factory to where our
boat is moored and stored...Muskegon is an industrial town and I think air
pollution might explain some of it...our varnish jobs lasted better when we
were up farther north away from industry....

I can see that. Fly ash will put acid spots on every surface... it's bad
for cars too.


and yes, Max's boat is worth the effort of varnish, but hey, he likes cetol,
so who am I to complain?

Hold your eyes painfully when you walk by his boat

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell him
that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)

"DSK" wrote in message
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katysails wrote:
We tarp and humidity gets under there...

Humidity is bad, especially going through thaw/freeze cycles, but unless
there are already bubbles in the varnish, or moisture sealed in, I don't
understand how this is going to tear up the finish. I have some experience
with boats left outside through New England winters, and they usually
required touching up... sometimes major touching up... but varnish up
there lasts a lot longer than down here in my admittedly limited
experience.


... what we have found is that there is a direct relationship to the
proximity of the wood pulp factory to where our boat is moored and
stored...Muskegon is an industrial town and I think air pollution might
explain some of it...our varnish jobs lasted better when we were up
farther north away from industry....

I can see that. Fly ash will put acid spots on every surface... it's bad
for cars too.


and yes, Max's boat is worth the effort of varnish, but hey, he likes
cetol, so who am I to complain?

Hold your eyes painfully when you walk by his boat

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

katysails wrote:
Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell him
that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)

Owning a pretty boat is an obligation to the public.

DSK

"DSK" spewed the following crap:

Owning a pretty boat is an obligation to the public.

DSK


Typical liberal - all show and no go. Function means less than appearances,
lies speak louder than the truth, fantasy is fact!

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message


"DSK" spewed the following crap:

Owning a pretty boat is an obligation to the public.


Typical liberal - all show and no go. Function means less than
appearances,
lies speak louder than the truth, fantasy is fact!

What has obviously escaped your notice over the years is the fact that quite
often boats of beauty are great performers as well. Conversely ugly
boats--those that have been optimized for interior volume rather than hull
design integrity--are most often terrible performers. Take the Morgan Out
Island series, as an example of the latter. And the CCA yachts of the 40s
and 50s as an example of the former. The Hinckley Bermuda 40 is still one
of the finest performing, best handling boats in existence. It still wins
handicap races, and it's drop dead gorgeous. So are the 6 Metres and
Etchells 22s. Even the latest America's Cup yachts are beautiful in design
and appearance. Dame Ellen MacArthur's B&Q, while quite modern in design,
is quite attractive.

This is not a political issue, rather one of aesthetics vs. performance,
which are not mutually exclusive by any stretch of the imagination.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

katysails wrote:
Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell
him that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)

Owning a pretty boat is an obligation to the public.

I've never considered it to be an obligation to anyone g, but it is most
enjoyable when people pass by the million dollar Sea Rays and Tiaras on a
dock to compliment my boat.

Max

"katysails" wrote complementing "Cut the Mustard" thusly:

Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell him
that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)


Thanks, Katy!

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message



"katysails" wrote complementing "Cut the
Mustard" thusly:

Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell
him that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)


Thanks, Katy!

Spoken by one whose head is hard-pressed to make it through his voluminous
companionway as it is. g

Max