The idiot Douglas King wrote:

Crap'n Neal® wrote:
The correct way to spell Herreschoff is the way I spell it and not
the way you imagined it was spelled.

Really? Better tell these folks... they've been getting it wrong for years.

http://www.herreshoff.org/

You're welcome.
Doug King


Bwaaahahahhahahhahahhahahahhhhahahhahhahhahahahhah ahah!

Sir Frances Herreschoff has the anchor named after him.

Halsey Herreshoff et al were naval architects who never had an
anchor named after them.

If you are a man you will apologize for your insolence.

CN (not holding his breath)

Sir Frances Herreschoff used the female spelling instead of the male
Francis?
JR


Capt. Neal® wrote:

The idiot Douglas King wrote:

Crap'n Neal® wrote:

The correct way to spell Herreschoff is the way I spell it and not
the way you imagined it was spelled.


Really? Better tell these folks... they've been getting it wrong for years.

http://www.herreshoff.org/

You're welcome.
Doug King


Bwaaahahahhahahhahahhahahahhhhahahhahhahhahahahhah ahah!

Sir Frances Herreschoff has the anchor named after him.

Halsey Herreshoff et al were naval architects who never had an
anchor named after them.

If you are a man you will apologize for your insolence.

CN (not holding his breath)

No. Neal is misspelling both his middle and last name. The man he's
referring to is L. Francis Herreshoff.

Neal spent the day surfing and googling and came up with one reference
to "Sir Frances Herreschoff" as the designer of "Ileola." However,
the design shows up in the book "Sensible Cruising Designs" by L.
Francis Herreshoff.


JR Gilbreath wrote:
Sir Frances Herreschoff used the female spelling instead of the male
Francis?
JR


Capt. Neal® wrote:

The idiot Douglas King wrote:

Crap'n Neal® wrote:

The correct way to spell Herreschoff is the way I spell it and not
the way you imagined it was spelled.



Really? Better tell these folks... they've been getting it wrong for
years.

http://www.herreshoff.org/

You're welcome.
Doug King


Bwaaahahahhahahhahahhahahahhhhahahhahhahhahahahhah ahah!

Sir Frances Herreschoff has the anchor named after him.

Halsey Herreshoff et al were naval architects who never had an
anchor named after them.

If you are a man you will apologize for your insolence.

CN (not holding his breath)

The man is truly amazing, I wonder where he googled up that there was a
lot of soft mud and grass in the Bahamas?
JR

Jeff Morris wrote:
No. Neal is misspelling both his middle and last name. The man he's
referring to is L. Francis Herreshoff.

Neal spent the day surfing and googling and came up with one reference
to "Sir Frances Herreschoff" as the designer of "Ileola." However, the
design shows up in the book "Sensible Cruising Designs" by L. Francis
Herreshoff.


JR Gilbreath wrote:

Sir Frances Herreschoff used the female spelling instead of the male
Francis?
JR


Capt. Neal® wrote:

The idiot Douglas King wrote:

Crap'n Neal® wrote:

The correct way to spell Herreschoff is the way I spell it and not
the way you imagined it was spelled.




Really? Better tell these folks... they've been getting it wrong for
years.

http://www.herreshoff.org/

You're welcome.
Doug King


Bwaaahahahhahahhahahhahahahhhhahahhahhahhahahahhah ahah!

Sir Frances Herreschoff has the anchor named after him.

Halsey Herreshoff et al were naval architects who never had an
anchor named after them.

If you are a man you will apologize for your insolence.

CN (not holding his breath)

JR,

I've spent more time cruising the Bahamas from San Salvador and Rum Cay to
West End Grand Bahama and everything in between, than everyone in this
group put together.

I have a shallow draft boat and I do a lot of banks sailing. There is a lot of sand,
mud and grass throughout the Bahamas. Danforths work best, Herreschoffs second
best in the coral and hard bottom areas and the plow comes in all around third for
reliability of holding.

CN



"JR Gilbreath" opined

The man is truly amazing, I wonder where he googled up that there was a
lot of soft mud and grass in the Bahamas?
JR

Ok capt, Then you should know the answer to this question. What is the
occupation of the Person that sells fresh vegetables to the cruisers
that anchor in New Bight on Cat Island and what does he sell that he
makes himself?
JR

Capt. Neal® wrote:

JR,

I've spent more time cruising the Bahamas from San Salvador and Rum Cay
to West End Grand Bahama and everything in between, than everyone in
this group put together.
I have a shallow draft boat and I do a lot of banks sailing. There is a
lot of sand,
mud and grass throughout the Bahamas. Danforths work best, Herreschoffs
second
best in the coral and hard bottom areas and the plow comes in all around
third for
reliability of holding.

CN



"JR Gilbreath" opined

The man is truly amazing, I wonder where he googled up that there was
a lot of soft mud and grass in the Bahamas?
JR

The anchors, cleats, winches and numerous other fittings known as
"Herreshoff" were designed by Captain Nat Herreshoff, largely in the
1890's. In his 1953 book "Cap Nat Herreshoff," L. Francis Herreshoff
wrote: "... there is hardly a thing on a yacht today that Captain Nat
did not originate, improve, or perfect, and, while it is true that
many of his fittings were not understood or appreciated for many
years, still at the present time about the only useful fittings on the
market are imitations of his original models. The fittings alone that
he designed would have been a credible lifetime work for a designer."

Its interesting that Cap Nat started his career as a draftsman of
steam engines.


Capt. Neal® wrote:
The idiot Douglas King wrote:

Crap'n Neal® wrote:

The correct way to spell Herreschoff is the way I spell it and not
the way you imagined it was spelled.


Really? Better tell these folks... they've been getting it wrong for years.

http://www.herreshoff.org/

You're welcome.
Doug King


Bwaaahahahhahahhahahhahahahhhhahahhahhahhahahahhah ahah!

Sir Frances Herreschoff has the anchor named after him.

Halsey Herreshoff et al were naval architects who never had an
anchor named after them.

If you are a man you will apologize for your insolence.

CN (not holding his breath)

Jeff Morris wrote:
The anchors, cleats, winches and numerous other fittings known as
"Herreshoff" were designed by Captain Nat Herreshoff, largely in the
1890's. In his 1953 book "Cap Nat Herreshoff," L. Francis Herreshoff
wrote: "... there is hardly a thing on a yacht today that Captain Nat
did not originate, improve, or perfect, and, while it is true that many
of his fittings were not understood or appreciated for many years, still
at the present time about the only useful fittings on the market are
imitations of his original models. The fittings alone that he designed
would have been a credible lifetime work for a designer."

Its interesting that Cap Nat started his career as a draftsman of steam
engines.


IIRC he and his brother John were both graduates of MIT and enthusiastic
sailors. The Herreshoff Manufacturing Company started out as a caster of
small metal machine parts and then produced a very efficient multi-fuel
water-tube boiler. They built sailboats for themselves and that turned
out to be the direction their business grew...

Captain Nat was a brilliant engineer, I'm sure he would have been a
notable contributor to any field he had decided to enter. As for how he
spelled his name, I'm not inclined to make a big deal out of it but if
some people are, they should make an effort to get it right.

DSK

DSK wrote:
Jeff Morris wrote:

The anchors, cleats, winches and numerous other fittings known as
"Herreshoff" were designed by Captain Nat Herreshoff, largely in the
1890's.
....

IIRC he and his brother John were both graduates of MIT and enthusiastic
sailors. The Herreshoff Manufacturing Company started out as a caster of
small metal machine parts and then produced a very efficient multi-fuel
water-tube boiler. They built sailboats for themselves and that turned
out to be the direction their business grew...

Captain Nat was a brilliant engineer, I'm sure he would have been a
notable contributor to any field he had decided to enter. As for how he
spelled his name, I'm not inclined to make a big deal out of it but if
some people are, they should make an effort to get it right.

Cap Nat never graduated - he took a three year special course but
never actually got a degree. I'm not sure if his brother went to MIT
or Brown - I'll look that up.

As for spelling his name correctly, that's a matter of common respect.
As the greatest Naval Architect of his time, and perhaps all time, I
think he deserves that, especially from sailors.

BTW, someone commented on the "gender" of L. Francis' middle name. I
think it was actually a family name. Nat's grandfather had married
the daughter of John Brown (of Brown University) who was related to
Governor Francis of Rhode Island. Nat's mother came from several
prominent Boston families, and Nat himself was named for the
Revolutionary War general who was Washington's second in command and
his father's best friend. Definitely good breeding.

Jeff wrote:
Cap Nat never graduated - he took a three year special course but never
actually got a degree. I'm not sure if his brother went to MIT or Brown
- I'll look that up.


In L.Francis' books, he said that his father claimed that John was the
better engineer of the two. John also went blind, which is one reason
why Nathaniel joined him in his business.


As for spelling his name correctly, that's a matter of common respect.

True enough, but spelling isn't really an exact science. The language
has borrowed many words & names and is constantly evolving. I agree that
it's a mark of respect to make the effort to spell other people's names
correctly (which I'd define as the way they themselves spell it).


As the greatest Naval Architect of his time, and perhaps all time, I
think he deserves that, especially from sailors.


Agreed again. N.G. Herreshoff was a unique combination of brilliant
engineer with a true artist's eye. While L.Francis was perhaps as great
(or greater, according to some) an artist, he didn't have the technical
brillance (IMHO one of the things that fueled his curmudgeonliness as he
got older is that he never had the racing successes of his father).
Sidney and Halsey certainly have much to be proud of, but neither is
*the* definitive naval architect of their generation. An amazing family.

BTW, someone commented on the "gender" of L. Francis' middle name. I
think it was actually a family name. Nat's grandfather had married the
daughter of John Brown (of Brown University) who was related to Governor
Francis of Rhode Island. Nat's mother came from several prominent
Boston families, and Nat himself was named for the Revolutionary War
general who was Washington's second in command and his father's best
friend. Definitely good breeding.


That explains how they were so easily accepted into the graces of the
New England Sailing Mafia, where it's very important who your
grandfather was.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King