Neal,

Why do you coil your ropes like that? Most professional sailors know that if
you do that you will cause twisting and kinking, its bad form and I thought
you knew better.




"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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CN

JG wrote:
I don't think 4:1 is enough for decent scope... minimally 5 and up to 7 is
more typical. 4 is ok for lunch, even 3, but if it's overnight, longer is
better. Since there's rarely room for 10, I've never done it.

I agree - I normally go to at least 5:1 (at max tide, of course). But
I always let out extra after setting - at the very least, the point of
the rode that was on deck will be at the water's surface after I
construct the bridle.

IIRC, Hinz points out that beyond 5:1 the geometry isn't improved,
though you have some added protection in a surge.

My point is that if I can't set at 4:1, I don't bother letting out
more, because there is likely something wrong with the location, or
the anchor is fouled. I'd rather just pull it up and try again.
Since I'm usually in tight quarters, if I couldn't set I'm probably
already a few boat lengths away from where I wanted to be. Perhaps
I'm just spoiled with the Delta, which usually grabs within a few feet.

Some anchoring points from "My" perspective...,...

Sometimes, all that's needed to get a recalcitrant anchor to fetch up,
is to add some scope .... haven't got a clue as to why, your experience
may vary.

When anchoring, always try to have at least 1-2k of sternway (backing at
1800 seems excessive, but waddahey, whatever works). When the anchor
fetches the line/chain will go taut and then slowly slack off, but if it
hasn't, it may go taut, slack, taut, etc..

When heaving an anchor, once the anchor is aweigh, if your chain/line is
led over a roller, or through a hawse pipe, the chain/line will wabble
from the roller/HP, down.

EG Some tidbits of potentially useless information.

otn

I don't think your well-intended advice is very pertinent to
yachtsmen. Big ships such as you operate mostly use anchors
that rely on dead weight for holding. They weigh tons and
tens of tons. Just dropping the things is enough unless there
is a hurricane blowing . . .

CN


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
Some anchoring points from "My" perspective...,...

Sometimes, all that's needed to get a recalcitrant anchor to fetch up,
is to add some scope .... haven't got a clue as to why, your experience
may vary.

When anchoring, always try to have at least 1-2k of sternway (backing at
1800 seems excessive, but waddahey, whatever works). When the anchor
fetches the line/chain will go taut and then slowly slack off, but if it
hasn't, it may go taut, slack, taut, etc..

When heaving an anchor, once the anchor is aweigh, if your chain/line is
led over a roller, or through a hawse pipe, the chain/line will wabble
from the roller/HP, down.

EG Some tidbits of potentially useless information.

otn

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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I don't think your well-intended advice is very pertinent to
yachtsmen. Big ships such as you operate mostly use anchors
that rely on dead weight for holding. They weigh tons and
tens of tons. Just dropping the things is enough unless there
is a hurricane blowing . . .

CN

I disagree. Take a look at a bunch of ships and note anchor design and size.
For the most part, ships are stuck with a "what we got is what we brung"
scenario .... i.e., they have one "type" which has to work under all
conditions, and it's weight is only ONE factor. (which will work better ...
a 10ton block of concrete, or a 10 ton anchor designed to dig in).
I am constantly hearing comments about scope ...... Hey folks!!!! The
numbers you hear for scope (3:1, 5:1, 7:1) are PARAMETERS/BASIC GUIDELINES
!!!
YOU may need more, YOU may need less, depending on anchor type, bottom type,
vessel type, wind conditions, current conditions, anchor rode make-up, etc..
Wake up and smell the peonies, folks!!! There is NO one best type anchor;
one best scope; one best way to anchor..... there are just a WHOLE BUNCH of
possibilities, that YOU have to learn and determine for yourself !!!!

ROFLMAO

otn is off the soapbox....... again......till the next time


otn

"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
YOU may need more, YOU may need less, depending on anchor type, bottom type,
vessel type, wind conditions, current conditions, anchor rode make-up, etc..
Wake up and smell the peonies, folks!!! There is NO one best type anchor;
one best scope; one best way to anchor..... there are just a WHOLE BUNCH of
possibilities, that YOU have to learn and determine for yourself !!!!


Well said! And true!

CN

Look Gaynzy... I don't really consider that advise on anchoring from
somebody that can't set a 40lb CQR.... has any value whatsoever.

CM

"JG" wrote in message
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Pretty funny... that's how you demonstrate your "superior" skills???
Backing for 30 seconds... bwahahahaaaa You're worse than any I've seen
here.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:aZpWd.3151$i6.1962@edtnps90...

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message

Backing at 1800 for 30 seconds? You ought to be able to tell with a
range if you're holding.

Well a range is a given..... I'm making certain the hook is set and
holding. I'll often fire up and back down on a set before turning in just
to make certain my tackle is holding solid.


I've seen people do the "downwind toss" - it looks slick when it works.
But more often than not I'm trying to place the boat within 10 feet of a
spot. I usually don't have the luxury of an open anchorage.

I can't understand that... I can do it in a mooring field and have. A ten
foot spot is the target but you still have a swing radius to contend with
after the set. If you are on a downwind approach you should allow
sufficent swing radius room for other vessels anchored in that area. The
depth of the anchorage as well as the bottom conditions are important in
deciding where and how to set... but I'm assuming anyone with experience
has already taken these into consideration.



As I say, I like to end up in a predictable spot - the CQR felt like a
crap shoot. As for dragging, in the 12 years I've used a Delta I've
never dragged after setting. In fact, I never dragged with a CQR, I
just had trouble setting it and didn't like the weight. Dragging 4
times doesn't sound that great to me.

Say what.... dragging 4 times out of maybe a thousand sets isn't bad at
all Jeff. I find it hard to believe that you never dragged.... that's
just unrealistic.


OK, there was one time with the Delta: we anchored for the afternoon and
noticed a slow drag immediately. Since we were planning to lunch in the
cockpit and relax for a hour or so, and had about 1000 yards to the lee
shore, we let it be and enjoyed the changing perspective. We found out
later we had anchored in soft spoil from the Boston Big Dig and nothing
was going to hold.

Ah Hah! ... look Jeff, no matter how good you are at setting hook...
you will eventually drag on occasion until you have a system set up that
minimizes or neutralizes that possibility.

CM

"otnmbrd" wrote in message

When anchoring, always try to have at least 1-2k of sternway (backing at
1800 seems excessive, but waddahey, whatever works).

Okay.. many times I only take it to 1500rpm. :-)

I'm turning a 13" screw with a 19# to a 30hp diesel on a 30ft Crab Crusher.
I'll hold for 30 seconds to range then ease down to neutral so the boat
doesn't surge ahead on the rode and Bob's your Uncle.

CM

Yeah right. If you aint got a hawspipe you aint ****.

joe

Must you gay up every post?


"JG" wrote ...
I don't think 4'' is enough ... minimally 5'' and up to 7'' is
more typical. 4'' is ok for lunch, even 3'', but if it's overnight,
longer is
better. Since there's barely room for 10'', I've never done it.

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