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Neal,
Why do you coil your ropes like that? Most professional sailors know that if you do that you will cause twisting and kinking, its bad form and I thought you knew better. "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Have you seen the latest improvements I've made on my blue-water cruising yacht? Click on this link and feast your eyes on perfection: http://captneal.homestead.com/Exterior.html Lot's of links to great photos that will make your mouth water and your complexion green with envy. Be careful, though, because after looking at my fine vessel, your mediocre vessels won't ever satisfy you again. (A word to the wise is sufficient!) CN |
JG wrote:
I don't think 4:1 is enough for decent scope... minimally 5 and up to 7 is more typical. 4 is ok for lunch, even 3, but if it's overnight, longer is better. Since there's rarely room for 10, I've never done it. I agree - I normally go to at least 5:1 (at max tide, of course). But I always let out extra after setting - at the very least, the point of the rode that was on deck will be at the water's surface after I construct the bridle. IIRC, Hinz points out that beyond 5:1 the geometry isn't improved, though you have some added protection in a surge. My point is that if I can't set at 4:1, I don't bother letting out more, because there is likely something wrong with the location, or the anchor is fouled. I'd rather just pull it up and try again. Since I'm usually in tight quarters, if I couldn't set I'm probably already a few boat lengths away from where I wanted to be. Perhaps I'm just spoiled with the Delta, which usually grabs within a few feet. |
Some anchoring points from "My" perspective...,...
Sometimes, all that's needed to get a recalcitrant anchor to fetch up, is to add some scope .... haven't got a clue as to why, your experience may vary. When anchoring, always try to have at least 1-2k of sternway (backing at 1800 seems excessive, but waddahey, whatever works). When the anchor fetches the line/chain will go taut and then slowly slack off, but if it hasn't, it may go taut, slack, taut, etc.. When heaving an anchor, once the anchor is aweigh, if your chain/line is led over a roller, or through a hawse pipe, the chain/line will wabble from the roller/HP, down. EG Some tidbits of potentially useless information. otn |
I don't think your well-intended advice is very pertinent to
yachtsmen. Big ships such as you operate mostly use anchors that rely on dead weight for holding. They weigh tons and tens of tons. Just dropping the things is enough unless there is a hurricane blowing . . . CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Some anchoring points from "My" perspective...,... Sometimes, all that's needed to get a recalcitrant anchor to fetch up, is to add some scope .... haven't got a clue as to why, your experience may vary. When anchoring, always try to have at least 1-2k of sternway (backing at 1800 seems excessive, but waddahey, whatever works). When the anchor fetches the line/chain will go taut and then slowly slack off, but if it hasn't, it may go taut, slack, taut, etc.. When heaving an anchor, once the anchor is aweigh, if your chain/line is led over a roller, or through a hawse pipe, the chain/line will wabble from the roller/HP, down. EG Some tidbits of potentially useless information. otn |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... I don't think your well-intended advice is very pertinent to yachtsmen. Big ships such as you operate mostly use anchors that rely on dead weight for holding. They weigh tons and tens of tons. Just dropping the things is enough unless there is a hurricane blowing . . . CN I disagree. Take a look at a bunch of ships and note anchor design and size. For the most part, ships are stuck with a "what we got is what we brung" scenario .... i.e., they have one "type" which has to work under all conditions, and it's weight is only ONE factor. (which will work better ... a 10ton block of concrete, or a 10 ton anchor designed to dig in). I am constantly hearing comments about scope ...... Hey folks!!!! The numbers you hear for scope (3:1, 5:1, 7:1) are PARAMETERS/BASIC GUIDELINES !!! YOU may need more, YOU may need less, depending on anchor type, bottom type, vessel type, wind conditions, current conditions, anchor rode make-up, etc.. Wake up and smell the peonies, folks!!! There is NO one best type anchor; one best scope; one best way to anchor..... there are just a WHOLE BUNCH of possibilities, that YOU have to learn and determine for yourself !!!! ROFLMAO otn is off the soapbox....... again......till the next time otn |
"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... YOU may need more, YOU may need less, depending on anchor type, bottom type, vessel type, wind conditions, current conditions, anchor rode make-up, etc.. Wake up and smell the peonies, folks!!! There is NO one best type anchor; one best scope; one best way to anchor..... there are just a WHOLE BUNCH of possibilities, that YOU have to learn and determine for yourself !!!! Well said! And true! CN |
Look Gaynzy... I don't really consider that advise on anchoring from
somebody that can't set a 40lb CQR.... has any value whatsoever. CM "JG" wrote in message ... Pretty funny... that's how you demonstrate your "superior" skills??? Backing for 30 seconds... bwahahahaaaa You're worse than any I've seen here. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:aZpWd.3151$i6.1962@edtnps90... "Jeff Morris" wrote in message Backing at 1800 for 30 seconds? You ought to be able to tell with a range if you're holding. Well a range is a given..... I'm making certain the hook is set and holding. I'll often fire up and back down on a set before turning in just to make certain my tackle is holding solid. I've seen people do the "downwind toss" - it looks slick when it works. But more often than not I'm trying to place the boat within 10 feet of a spot. I usually don't have the luxury of an open anchorage. I can't understand that... I can do it in a mooring field and have. A ten foot spot is the target but you still have a swing radius to contend with after the set. If you are on a downwind approach you should allow sufficent swing radius room for other vessels anchored in that area. The depth of the anchorage as well as the bottom conditions are important in deciding where and how to set... but I'm assuming anyone with experience has already taken these into consideration. As I say, I like to end up in a predictable spot - the CQR felt like a crap shoot. As for dragging, in the 12 years I've used a Delta I've never dragged after setting. In fact, I never dragged with a CQR, I just had trouble setting it and didn't like the weight. Dragging 4 times doesn't sound that great to me. Say what.... dragging 4 times out of maybe a thousand sets isn't bad at all Jeff. I find it hard to believe that you never dragged.... that's just unrealistic. OK, there was one time with the Delta: we anchored for the afternoon and noticed a slow drag immediately. Since we were planning to lunch in the cockpit and relax for a hour or so, and had about 1000 yards to the lee shore, we let it be and enjoyed the changing perspective. We found out later we had anchored in soft spoil from the Boston Big Dig and nothing was going to hold. Ah Hah! ... look Jeff, no matter how good you are at setting hook... you will eventually drag on occasion until you have a system set up that minimizes or neutralizes that possibility. CM |
"otnmbrd" wrote in message When anchoring, always try to have at least 1-2k of sternway (backing at 1800 seems excessive, but waddahey, whatever works). Okay.. many times I only take it to 1500rpm. :-) I'm turning a 13" screw with a 19# to a 30hp diesel on a 30ft Crab Crusher. I'll hold for 30 seconds to range then ease down to neutral so the boat doesn't surge ahead on the rode and Bob's your Uncle. CM |
Yeah right. If you aint got a hawspipe you aint ****.
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Must you gay up every post?
"JG" wrote ... I don't think 4'' is enough ... minimally 5'' and up to 7'' is more typical. 4'' is ok for lunch, even 3'', but if it's overnight, longer is better. Since there's barely room for 10'', I've never done it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.gaynow.com |
That is Jon quest. He gay's up everything. Without gayness he is
nothing. Joe |
Not another boring anchor thread sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.
Retards. Joe |
"Joe" wrote in message Retards. Dock Slut... CM |
Ice bound whore
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"Joe" wrote in message Ice bound whore Pier Pimp.. |
Mooring ****!
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Dockside Diva!
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Icebound Slut!
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I don't consider advise on anything from a stupid fool such as you.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:PSuWd.3315$i6.1989@edtnps90... Look Gaynzy... I don't really consider that advise on anchoring from somebody that can't set a 40lb CQR.... has any value whatsoever. CM "JG" wrote in message ... Pretty funny... that's how you demonstrate your "superior" skills??? Backing for 30 seconds... bwahahahaaaa You're worse than any I've seen here. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:aZpWd.3151$i6.1962@edtnps90... "Jeff Morris" wrote in message Backing at 1800 for 30 seconds? You ought to be able to tell with a range if you're holding. Well a range is a given..... I'm making certain the hook is set and holding. I'll often fire up and back down on a set before turning in just to make certain my tackle is holding solid. I've seen people do the "downwind toss" - it looks slick when it works. But more often than not I'm trying to place the boat within 10 feet of a spot. I usually don't have the luxury of an open anchorage. I can't understand that... I can do it in a mooring field and have. A ten foot spot is the target but you still have a swing radius to contend with after the set. If you are on a downwind approach you should allow sufficent swing radius room for other vessels anchored in that area. The depth of the anchorage as well as the bottom conditions are important in deciding where and how to set... but I'm assuming anyone with experience has already taken these into consideration. As I say, I like to end up in a predictable spot - the CQR felt like a crap shoot. As for dragging, in the 12 years I've used a Delta I've never dragged after setting. In fact, I never dragged with a CQR, I just had trouble setting it and didn't like the weight. Dragging 4 times doesn't sound that great to me. Say what.... dragging 4 times out of maybe a thousand sets isn't bad at all Jeff. I find it hard to believe that you never dragged.... that's just unrealistic. OK, there was one time with the Delta: we anchored for the afternoon and noticed a slow drag immediately. Since we were planning to lunch in the cockpit and relax for a hour or so, and had about 1000 yards to the lee shore, we let it be and enjoyed the changing perspective. We found out later we had anchored in soft spoil from the Boston Big Dig and nothing was going to hold. Ah Hah! ... look Jeff, no matter how good you are at setting hook... you will eventually drag on occasion until you have a system set up that minimizes or neutralizes that possibility. CM |
Yes, you must fatboy.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Must you gay up every post? "JG" wrote ... I don't think 4'' is enough ... minimally 5'' and up to 7'' is more typical. 4'' is ok for lunch, even 3'', but if it's overnight, longer is better. Since there's barely room for 10'', I've never done it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.gaynow.com |
Joey knows all about gayness, apparently. He's an expert.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... That is Jon quest. He gay's up everything. Without gayness he is nothing. Joe |
Well, wouldn't the wind or tide give you that? Why use the engine if you
don't have to? Of course, Mooron has to, but... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Some anchoring points from "My" perspective...,... Sometimes, all that's needed to get a recalcitrant anchor to fetch up, is to add some scope .... haven't got a clue as to why, your experience may vary. When anchoring, always try to have at least 1-2k of sternway (backing at 1800 seems excessive, but waddahey, whatever works). When the anchor fetches the line/chain will go taut and then slowly slack off, but if it hasn't, it may go taut, slack, taut, etc.. When heaving an anchor, once the anchor is aweigh, if your chain/line is led over a roller, or through a hawse pipe, the chain/line will wabble from the roller/HP, down. EG Some tidbits of potentially useless information. otn |
The whole point of the matter... you brain dead little Homo... is that
different situations require different approaches. A basic logic you continuously fail to grasp... which of course leaves you with a litany of dragging and failed sets. Until you've operated a 30 ft full keel without any auxcillry for a year... you might have sufficient capacity to broach the topic of ground tackle, kedging and setting anchor undersail with me. If I elect to utilize my auxiliary to secure my set.... it's because I can.... to ignore that option out of some deluded sense of sailing purity... and then piously motor to your dock under the misconception you are a competent, skilled and capable sailor.... illustrates how idiotic your position is on the subject. CM "JG" wrote in message ... Well, wouldn't the wind or tide give you that? Why use the engine if you don't have to? Of course, Mooron has to, but... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Some anchoring points from "My" perspective...,... Sometimes, all that's needed to get a recalcitrant anchor to fetch up, is to add some scope .... haven't got a clue as to why, your experience may vary. When anchoring, always try to have at least 1-2k of sternway (backing at 1800 seems excessive, but waddahey, whatever works). When the anchor fetches the line/chain will go taut and then slowly slack off, but if it hasn't, it may go taut, slack, taut, etc.. When heaving an anchor, once the anchor is aweigh, if your chain/line is led over a roller, or through a hawse pipe, the chain/line will wabble from the roller/HP, down. EG Some tidbits of potentially useless information. otn |
Wharf Weiner!
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Oooooh, a cat fight!
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Icebound Slut! |
"JG" wrote in message ... Well, wouldn't the wind or tide give you that? Not necessarily, Why use the engine if you don't have to? To make certain of a good set. Of course, Mooron has to because he's a real sailor. SV |
Bouy bitch!
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Capt. Mooron wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message When anchoring, always try to have at least 1-2k of sternway (backing at 1800 seems excessive, but waddahey, whatever works). Okay.. many times I only take it to 1500rpm. :-) I'm turning a 13" screw with a 19# to a 30hp diesel on a 30ft Crab Crusher. I'll hold for 30 seconds to range then ease down to neutral so the boat doesn't surge ahead on the rode and Bob's your Uncle. CM G This is why I say "whatever works". Each boat, set of conditions, equipment, operator, will be apt to require a different approach ..... makes it hard to give "hard and fast" advice, or state that a particular approach is not good. otn |
"JG" wrote in message ... Well, wouldn't the wind or tide give you that? Why use the engine if you don't have to? Of course, Mooron has to, but... And if there's no wind or current? Use the "wind or tide", or use the engine ..... point is, use what works. otn |
"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "JG" wrote in message ... Well, wouldn't the wind or tide give you that? Why use the engine if you don't have to? Of course, Mooron has to, but... And if there's no wind or current? It's always windy when Gaynz is around. SV |
It really pains me greatly to say this but I agree with Ganz on this
one. I rarely use my engine to back down on the anchor. It is most often simply not necessary to do so to get a good set. 1) One can anchor under sail by backing the sails or heaving-to going sideways and use the mass of the vessel, itself, to set the anchor. 2) One can use several stout, fast pulls on the rode to set an anchor if there is no wind or current. 3) One can dive on the anchor and look to see if it's set and push it home if it isn't. 4) One can use the forward speed of the vessel under sail to set the anchor, then round up and douse sail. I hope this helps all you lubbers to figure out how us real sailors make simple something you make complicated. CN "JG" wrote in message ... Well, wouldn't the wind or tide give you that? Why use the engine if you don't have to? Of course, Mooron has to, but... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Then, why do you listen to an idiotic fool like Binary Bill?
CN "JG" wrote in message ... I don't consider advise on anything from a stupid fool such as you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:PSuWd.3315$i6.1989@edtnps90... Look Gaynzy... I don't really consider that advise on anchoring from somebody that can't set a 40lb CQR.... has any value whatsoever. CM |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... It really pains me greatly to say this but I agree with Ganz on this one. Oh Good Grief..... I rarely use my engine to back down on the anchor. It is most often simply not necessary to do so to get a good set. You've got a friggin 9hp outboard!!! 1) One can anchor under sail by backing the sails or heaving-to going sideways and use the mass of the vessel, itself, to set the anchor. Nobody said that can't be done... 2) One can use several stout, fast pulls on the rode to set an anchor if there is no wind or current. Yeah if you sail a 27 foot Dinghy! 3) One can dive on the anchor and look to see if it's set and push it home if it isn't. Not practical nor applicable in some circumstances.... try diving on a 40 ft set without tanks. 4) One can use the forward speed of the vessel under sail to set the anchor, then round up and douse sail. Nobody said you couldn't do that either.... I hope this helps all you lubbers to figure out how us real sailors make simple something you make complicated. What it shows is your limited experience in dealing only with light displacment vessels and their anchoring options. CM |
Why do you think you need a parrot. You're dumb enough already. YOU LOST!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Then, why do you listen to an idiotic fool like Binary Bill? CN "JG" wrote in message ... I don't consider advise on anything from a stupid fool such as you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:PSuWd.3315$i6.1989@edtnps90... Look Gaynzy... I don't really consider that advise on anchoring from somebody that can't set a 40lb CQR.... has any value whatsoever. CM |
The whole point, you stupid fool, is that you're a creep. Why don't you tell
us again about your relationship with your chickens. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:mszWd.3192$ZO2.2860@edtnps84... The whole point of the matter... you brain dead little Homo... is that different situations require different approaches. A basic logic you continuously fail to grasp... which of course leaves you with a litany of dragging and failed sets. Until you've operated a 30 ft full keel without any auxcillry for a year... you might have sufficient capacity to broach the topic of ground tackle, kedging and setting anchor undersail with me. If I elect to utilize my auxiliary to secure my set.... it's because I can.... to ignore that option out of some deluded sense of sailing purity... and then piously motor to your dock under the misconception you are a competent, skilled and capable sailor.... illustrates how idiotic your position is on the subject. CM "JG" wrote in message ... Well, wouldn't the wind or tide give you that? Why use the engine if you don't have to? Of course, Mooron has to, but... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Some anchoring points from "My" perspective...,... Sometimes, all that's needed to get a recalcitrant anchor to fetch up, is to add some scope .... haven't got a clue as to why, your experience may vary. When anchoring, always try to have at least 1-2k of sternway (backing at 1800 seems excessive, but waddahey, whatever works). When the anchor fetches the line/chain will go taut and then slowly slack off, but if it hasn't, it may go taut, slack, taut, etc.. When heaving an anchor, once the anchor is aweigh, if your chain/line is led over a roller, or through a hawse pipe, the chain/line will wabble from the roller/HP, down. EG Some tidbits of potentially useless information. otn |
Compared to you, his chicken is a real sailor fatboy.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... Well, wouldn't the wind or tide give you that? Not necessarily, Why use the engine if you don't have to? To make certain of a good set. Of course, Mooron has to because he's a real sailor. SV |
Well, the point is that there usually is where I live. We never need to back
to set the hook. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "JG" wrote in message ... Well, wouldn't the wind or tide give you that? Why use the engine if you don't have to? Of course, Mooron has to, but... And if there's no wind or current? Use the "wind or tide", or use the engine .... point is, use what works. otn |
Scotti Potti is big on flushes.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "JG" wrote in message ... Well, wouldn't the wind or tide give you that? Why use the engine if you don't have to? Of course, Mooron has to, but... And if there's no wind or current? It's always windy when Gaynz is around. SV |
Mooron is no sailor. He's got to have help. Talk to his chickens.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:eDIWd.17140$fc4.1279@edtnps89... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... It really pains me greatly to say this but I agree with Ganz on this one. Oh Good Grief..... I rarely use my engine to back down on the anchor. It is most often simply not necessary to do so to get a good set. You've got a friggin 9hp outboard!!! 1) One can anchor under sail by backing the sails or heaving-to going sideways and use the mass of the vessel, itself, to set the anchor. Nobody said that can't be done... 2) One can use several stout, fast pulls on the rode to set an anchor if there is no wind or current. Yeah if you sail a 27 foot Dinghy! 3) One can dive on the anchor and look to see if it's set and push it home if it isn't. Not practical nor applicable in some circumstances.... try diving on a 40 ft set without tanks. 4) One can use the forward speed of the vessel under sail to set the anchor, then round up and douse sail. Nobody said you couldn't do that either.... I hope this helps all you lubbers to figure out how us real sailors make simple something you make complicated. What it shows is your limited experience in dealing only with light displacment vessels and their anchoring options. CM |
Oh Cripes... Gaynzy can't keep track of the thread .... and he's been
reduced to a fear biter! Tick Tick Tick.... CM "JG" wrote in message ... Why do you think you need a parrot. You're dumb enough already. YOU LOST! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Then, why do you listen to an idiotic fool like Binary Bill? CN "JG" wrote in message ... I don't consider advise on anything from a stupid fool such as you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:PSuWd.3315$i6.1989@edtnps90... Look Gaynzy... I don't really consider that advise on anchoring from somebody that can't set a 40lb CQR.... has any value whatsoever. CM |
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