most likely...

"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...
Hold a lit match in the spray of that Aqua Net Super Blend and you will
find
very little difference between it and your mauve induced gas.


"katysails" wrote in message
...
A good coating of Crisco will do your areteries in so that you won't have
to
worry about gas....and I prefer Aqua Net SuperBlend for my beehive, thenk
yew veddy much...

"Gilligan" wrote in message
ink.net...
A good coating of Crisco in the intestine aids digestion and prevents
gas.
It can also keep the beehive in shape in any wind (however foul) on the
Beaufort scale.


"katysails" wrote in message
...
Yep...not many of us here with an innovative mauve interior in a
mustard
colored boat...
just thinking about it gives me gas....

"Gilligan" wrote in message
.net...
It is very disappointing, good Capt, to see people have such disdain
for
innovation. You are definitely a role model to those who are willing
to
constantly improve themselves. You can stand shoulder to shoulder
with
the
likes of Eli Whitney, Cyrus McCormick and Filo T. Farnsworth!

Gilligan


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Dear Group and Lurkers,

The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery
has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining
Oz,
Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom.

They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things
mainly.

1) It is heavy ruining light air performance.
2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim.

They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than
ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far
stronger
than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there
still
is
not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen.

1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as
internal
sleeves
weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds
heavier
than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home
with
the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the
epoxy's
weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin
the
sail
shape
in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of
downward
force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it
must
be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it
slightly
easier to sheet in the mainsail.

2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend
ruining
the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how
racers
intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in
order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom
accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the
boom
and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The
bend
has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because
then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom
and
foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and
the
bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an
efficient
system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it
before.
The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope
shelf-
footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage
over
staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the
ignorant individuals listed above.

These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge
everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a
fast
boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster.

CN

Oz,

You know Neal claimed he had a shelve in his old main. I'm thinking now
that his old main was so blown out that he is under the impression that
the blown out section of his bolt footed main was mistaken for a shelve.

I'm not sure I didn't have a lot to do with him getting involved with a
true fitted shelve main. When I ordered my new main from North I
forgot to mention the shelve and it came without. Do you think he got
the wrong idea when I mentioned my oversight? I'm beginning to think
this is his first Free Footed main he's ever own. He doesn't know how
the hell it works and what it can and can't do. I've tried to clue him
in on it, without success.

Ole Thom

Neal,

Let's try again! The shelf is much more like a pleat in a pair of
pants. When pressure is put on them (Pants) the pleat opens and when the
pressure is released the pleat folds. There is no stretching. It is
simply opening and closing.

Now, you take your stupid experiment of a piece of dacron sail cloth.
Neal, if it is decent sail cloth, you damn well won't be able to stretch
it at all. When your sails start to stretch it is time to replace them.
Your experiment is FU in concept.

Your shelf folds and unfolds. Your outhaul doesn't stretch your sails
foot, it tension it.
If you are stretching the foot DON"T!!




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

Thom
If you will check the pictures of Capt neal new sails you will see
that the main is not free footed.
JR





Thom Stewart wrote:
Oz,

You know Neal claimed he had a shelve in his old main. I'm thinking now
that his old main was so blown out that he is under the impression that
the blown out section of his bolt footed main was mistaken for a shelve.

I'm not sure I didn't have a lot to do with him getting involved with a
true fitted shelve main. When I ordered my new main from North I
forgot to mention the shelve and it came without. Do you think he got
the wrong idea when I mentioned my oversight? I'm beginning to think
this is his first Free Footed main he's ever own. He doesn't know how
the hell it works and what it can and can't do. I've tried to clue him
in on it, without success.

Ole Thom

JR,

That picture of his Hong Kong Main shows a shelve. JR, a shelve fitted
main is a Free Footed Main. The shelve is ONLY to prevent air from
creating a vortex,

Is you look at that picture you will see that the airfoil shape carries
to the very bottom of the sail, then the shelve (which is open) carries
straight across to the boom. Just like a "shelve" the reason for its'
name.

JR, think of your own main REEFED. You have a free footed sail with the
access sail folded and loosely tied to the boom . It should never be
tied tight enough for support.

Bwahahaha... wire and rope?? Time to get into the 21st century. Is Neal
stupid or what?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message
...
No Capt I mean shackles but I guess you would not be familar with a sail
that used metal shackles to attach a slider to the main. Why am I not
surprised?


Capt. Neal® wrote:


If you were half as observant as you are critical you would have noticed
that my halyards are wire and rope. The 'anchor line' halyards are three-
strand Dacron for easy eye splicing. They are primarily for wrapping
around the winches as wire tends to be hard on the winch barrels.

Webbing in place of shackles on the sails? Since when do sails have
shackles? Did you mean cringles per chance? Did you not notice the
webbing fastens the reefing point cringles to the sail?
As for my catch, I prefer to kick junk fish right back off the deck
into the water before they stink up the joint.

I hope this helps.
CN

"JR Gilbreath" emoted:

Capt Kneel
A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't
room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going to
mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with those
webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your
rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do
think the boat is perfect for you.
JR

Thom
Sorry my mistake, I had just never heard of a mainsail that was
attached to the boom with a bolt rope be described as free footed.
JR

Thom Stewart wrote:
JR,

That picture of his Hong Kong Main shows a shelve. JR, a shelve fitted
main is a Free Footed Main. The shelve is ONLY to prevent air from
creating a vortex,

Is you look at that picture you will see that the airfoil shape carries
to the very bottom of the sail, then the shelve (which is open) carries
straight across to the boom. Just like a "shelve" the reason for its'
name.

JR, think of your own main REEFED. You have a free footed sail with the
access sail folded and loosely tied to the boom . It should never be
tied tight enough for support.

http://www.optiparts.com/spars.html


"The SILVER boom bends more than the GOLD boom.
The bending boom will flatten and depower the sail which enables the
lightweight sailor to go faster in more wind."

Since your boom is bent opposite to the bend referenced above, it could only
mean that your sails have higher power!

Muffin Man


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Dear Group and Lurkers,

The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery
has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz,
Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom.

They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly.

1) It is heavy ruining light air performance.
2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim.

They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than
ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger
than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is
not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen.

1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal
sleeves
weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier
than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with
the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's
weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail
shape
in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward
force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must
be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it
slightly
easier to sheet in the mainsail.

2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining
the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers
intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in
order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom
accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom
and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend
has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because
then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and
foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the
bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient
system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before.
The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf-
footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over
staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the
ignorant individuals listed above.

These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge
everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast
boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster.

CN

I don't know Thom...... the only quick glance I had of Capt. Neal's photos
didn't seem to show a free footed main like mine.... I always thought he had
a bolt rope along the boom. I'm probably wrong about the configuration.

As well I don't think my main has a shelf and it's a free footed design with
full battens. I had it recut to that from the original North Main.

CM



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
JR,

That picture of his Hong Kong Main shows a shelve. JR, a shelve fitted
main is a Free Footed Main. The shelve is ONLY to prevent air from
creating a vortex,

Is you look at that picture you will see that the airfoil shape carries
to the very bottom of the sail, then the shelve (which is open) carries
straight across to the boom. Just like a "shelve" the reason for its'
name.

JR, think of your own main REEFED. You have a free footed sail with the
access sail folded and loosely tied to the boom . It should never be
tied tight enough for support.

Yeah Oz,

Water they can collect. Sailing here in the Pacific NW I'm very aware of
it. So is everyone that sails with me. On my old boat,which had the
shelf when I said ; "Ready to Tack" they would scamble to windward as
soon as I said; "Helm's Alee" As the boom swung across the cockpit the
shelf would turn itself inside out with the wind and dump a load of
water in the cockpit and Lee side seat. One dousing trained them very
rapidly.

This Main sails a lot drier.

Ole Thom