Performance Comparison LOA Sea Sprite 34 34.08

C&C 27 Mark V 26.8

LWL Sea Sprite 34 24.26

C&C 27 Mark V 23

Beam Sea Sprite 34 10.4

C&C 27 Mark V 9.3

Displacement Sea Sprite 34 13208

C&C 27 Mark V 4720

Sail Area Sea Sprite 34 535

C&C 27 Mark V 342.85

Capsize Ratio Sea Sprite 34 1.76

C&C 27 Mark V 2.22

Hull Speed Sea Sprite 34 6.6

C&C 27 Mark V 6.43

Sail Area to Displacement Sea Sprite 34 15.32

C&C 27 Mark V 19.5

Displacement to LWL Sea Sprite 34 413

C&C 27 Mark V 173

LWL to Beam Sea Sprite 34 2.33

C&C 27 Mark V 2.47

Motion Comfort Sea Sprite 34 32.9

C&C 27 Mark V 15.38

Pounds/Inch Sea Sprite 34 902

C&C 27 Mark V 764


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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:43:49 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


wrote in message

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 05:13:25 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


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I have, in the past, posted pictures of my boat. I'm so sorry you
missed them! I really don't give a crap whether you think I have a
boat. Crapton's cedar bucket is more of a boat (and a genuine stink
pot at that!) than anything you own.

If you're so confident about that, you'll have no problem providing me
with
a website where I can post a photo or two of my boat. Warning: be
prepared
to be humiliated.

Max


Sea Sprite 34... Bwahahahahahaha!

PHRF 192 for a 34 foot boat? Bwhahahahahahahahaha!

SAD 15.3? Bwhahahahahaha!

Yeah, that's a real show stopper!

The PHRF rating is a gift. It sails way beyond it's rating. My
particular
boat won second place in its division in the Chicago-Mac. And it
embarrasses supposedly faster boats regularly. A Catalina 34 (PHRF 144),
for example, can't stay with her on any point of sail. Off the wind with
main and chute I pass 410 Hunters like they are going backward. And a POS
C&C 27 couldn't keep my transom in sight.

Envy is an ugly thing, Blowhard.

Max

Then by definition, you are the ugliest!

Your boat is a slow, ungainly tub. My C&C 27, with a LOA of 26.6, has a
PHRF of
168. Your piece of **** has no more interior space than my boat, is
slower, and
basically falls short of every mark. The only way you could overtake me
would be
if Sea Tow was pulling you. SAD of 15.3... Yeah, keep telling us how fast
your
Sea Slug 34 is!!!

You are so completely busted.

Bwahahahahahaha!

BB

Having sailed on Max's boat, and having sailed alongside of Max's boat, and
having seen Max's boat blast by some surprising other boat's, I'd say that
Max's boat is not the norm for your average crab crusher...and when he
throws the spinnaker up it boogies...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:vCtTd.3184$ab2.273@edtnps89...
Performance Comparison LOA Sea Sprite 34 34.08

C&C 27 Mark V 26.8

LWL Sea Sprite 34 24.26

C&C 27 Mark V 23

Beam Sea Sprite 34 10.4

C&C 27 Mark V 9.3

Displacement Sea Sprite 34 13208

C&C 27 Mark V 4720

Sail Area Sea Sprite 34 535

C&C 27 Mark V 342.85

Capsize Ratio Sea Sprite 34 1.76

C&C 27 Mark V 2.22

Hull Speed Sea Sprite 34 6.6

C&C 27 Mark V 6.43

Sail Area to Displacement Sea Sprite 34 15.32

C&C 27 Mark V 19.5

Displacement to LWL Sea Sprite 34 413

C&C 27 Mark V 173

LWL to Beam Sea Sprite 34 2.33

C&C 27 Mark V 2.47

Motion Comfort Sea Sprite 34 32.9

C&C 27 Mark V 15.38

Pounds/Inch Sea Sprite 34 902

C&C 27 Mark V 764


wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:43:49 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


wrote in message

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 05:13:25 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


wrote in message

I have, in the past, posted pictures of my boat. I'm so sorry you
missed them! I really don't give a crap whether you think I have a
boat. Crapton's cedar bucket is more of a boat (and a genuine stink
pot at that!) than anything you own.

If you're so confident about that, you'll have no problem providing me
with
a website where I can post a photo or two of my boat. Warning: be
prepared
to be humiliated.

Max


Sea Sprite 34... Bwahahahahahaha!

PHRF 192 for a 34 foot boat? Bwhahahahahahahahaha!

SAD 15.3? Bwhahahahahaha!

Yeah, that's a real show stopper!

The PHRF rating is a gift. It sails way beyond it's rating. My
particular
boat won second place in its division in the Chicago-Mac. And it
embarrasses supposedly faster boats regularly. A Catalina 34 (PHRF 144),
for example, can't stay with her on any point of sail. Off the wind with
main and chute I pass 410 Hunters like they are going backward. And a
POS
C&C 27 couldn't keep my transom in sight.

Envy is an ugly thing, Blowhard.

Max

Then by definition, you are the ugliest!

Your boat is a slow, ungainly tub. My C&C 27, with a LOA of 26.6, has a
PHRF of
168. Your piece of **** has no more interior space than my boat, is
slower, and
basically falls short of every mark. The only way you could overtake me
would be
if Sea Tow was pulling you. SAD of 15.3... Yeah, keep telling us how fast
your
Sea Slug 34 is!!!

You are so completely busted.

Bwahahahahahaha!

BB

"katysails" wrote in message

Having sailed on Max's boat, and having sailed alongside of Max's boat,
and having seen Max's boat blast by some surprising other boat's, I'd say
that Max's boat is not the norm for your average crab crusher...and when
he throws the spinnaker up it boogies...

Numbers seldom tell the whole story. Of course Braindead Bill the Blowhard
has a serious case of size envy, so he pretends that size does not matter.
And the more I think about it, he really does sound like Jax.

Max

Ya know, comparing fin keel boats to crab crushers is really just an
exercise in futility...they are made for different kinds of sailing under
different conditions and for different temperaments...so comparing a Nordica
or a Sea Sprite with a C&C is sort of like comparing pomegranates with
bananas...they're both fruit, and that's about all they share...

It's sort of like Joe's specious arguments about steel boats. Not everyone
who sails wants to be tied to invest in Brillo for the rest of their
lives...so why can't we all just be glad for the boats we have and agree
that the only boats not worth having are Mac 26X's and M's and Coronado
27's?

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:vCtTd.3184$ab2.273@edtnps89...
Performance Comparison LOA Sea Sprite 34 34.08

C&C 27 Mark V 26.8

LWL Sea Sprite 34 24.26

C&C 27 Mark V 23

Beam Sea Sprite 34 10.4

C&C 27 Mark V 9.3

Displacement Sea Sprite 34 13208

C&C 27 Mark V 4720

Sail Area Sea Sprite 34 535

C&C 27 Mark V 342.85

Capsize Ratio Sea Sprite 34 1.76

C&C 27 Mark V 2.22

Hull Speed Sea Sprite 34 6.6

C&C 27 Mark V 6.43

Sail Area to Displacement Sea Sprite 34 15.32

C&C 27 Mark V 19.5

Displacement to LWL Sea Sprite 34 413

C&C 27 Mark V 173

LWL to Beam Sea Sprite 34 2.33

C&C 27 Mark V 2.47

Motion Comfort Sea Sprite 34 32.9

C&C 27 Mark V 15.38

Pounds/Inch Sea Sprite 34 902

C&C 27 Mark V 764


wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:43:49 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


wrote in message

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 05:13:25 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


wrote in message

I have, in the past, posted pictures of my boat. I'm so sorry you
missed them! I really don't give a crap whether you think I have a
boat. Crapton's cedar bucket is more of a boat (and a genuine stink
pot at that!) than anything you own.

If you're so confident about that, you'll have no problem providing me
with
a website where I can post a photo or two of my boat. Warning: be
prepared
to be humiliated.

Max


Sea Sprite 34... Bwahahahahahaha!

PHRF 192 for a 34 foot boat? Bwhahahahahahahahaha!

SAD 15.3? Bwhahahahahaha!

Yeah, that's a real show stopper!

The PHRF rating is a gift. It sails way beyond it's rating. My
particular
boat won second place in its division in the Chicago-Mac. And it
embarrasses supposedly faster boats regularly. A Catalina 34 (PHRF 144),
for example, can't stay with her on any point of sail. Off the wind with
main and chute I pass 410 Hunters like they are going backward. And a
POS
C&C 27 couldn't keep my transom in sight.

Envy is an ugly thing, Blowhard.

Max

Then by definition, you are the ugliest!

Your boat is a slow, ungainly tub. My C&C 27, with a LOA of 26.6, has a
PHRF of
168. Your piece of **** has no more interior space than my boat, is
slower, and
basically falls short of every mark. The only way you could overtake me
would be
if Sea Tow was pulling you. SAD of 15.3... Yeah, keep telling us how fast
your
Sea Slug 34 is!!!

You are so completely busted.

Bwahahahahahaha!

BB

katysails wrote:
Ya know, comparing fin keel boats to crab crushers is really just an
exercise in futility...they are made for different kinds of sailing under
different conditions

But they most often have to sail the same waters & the same
conditions... hard as as it is for the Crab Crusher Mafia to swallow,
fin keel boats have sailed round Cape Horn... in fact I bet by now that
more fin keelers have...

... and for different temperaments...

Yes indeed, there's the real point.


It's sort of like Joe's specious arguments about steel boats. Not everyone
who sails wants to be tied to invest in Brillo for the rest of their
lives...so why can't we all just be glad for the boats we have and agree
that the only boats not worth having are Mac 26X's and M's and Coronado
27's?


Even the Mac26X and the Coronado 27 have some redeeming features. The
Mac26X is the best floatable camping trailer ever built; the Coronado 27
is cheap & roomy and serves as a reminder of the cultural emptiness of
it's era. Every time I see one, I think of Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In....

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

But they most often have to sail the same waters & the same conditions...
hard as as it is for the Crab Crusher Mafia to swallow, fin keel boats
have sailed round Cape Horn... in fact I bet by now that more fin keelers
have...

Doubtful, unless you're discounting the centuries when multi-masted cargo
ships rounded the Horn in lieu of the Panama Canal, which was not yet
constructed.

Even the Mac26X and the Coronado 27 have some redeeming features. The
Mac26X is the best floatable camping trailer ever built; the Coronado 27
is cheap & roomy and serves as a reminder of the cultural emptiness of
it's era. Every time I see one, I think of Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In....

Sock it to me.

Max

hard as as it is for the Crab Crusher Mafia to swallow, fin keel boats
have sailed round Cape Horn... in fact I bet by now that more fin keelers
have...


Maxprop wrote:
Doubtful, unless you're discounting the centuries when multi-masted cargo
ships rounded the Horn in lieu of the Panama Canal, which was not yet
constructed.


Discounting them, there's no doubt at all that fin keelers would be in
the majority. Including the old commercial sailing vessels, it might be
a closer call than you think... how many rounded the Horn in a given
year on average? Anyway, it's for sure that no more are going to, so
it's only a matter of time.

DSK

DSK wrote:
hard as as it is for the Crab Crusher Mafia to swallow, fin keel
boats have sailed round Cape Horn... in fact I bet by now that more
fin keelers have...



Maxprop wrote:

Doubtful, unless you're discounting the centuries when multi-masted
cargo ships rounded the Horn in lieu of the Panama Canal, which was
not yet constructed.


Discounting them, there's no doubt at all that fin keelers would be in
the majority. Including the old commercial sailing vessels, it might be
a closer call than you think... how many rounded the Horn in a given
year on average? Anyway, it's for sure that no more are going to, so
it's only a matter of time.

You've raised an interesting question he Is it proper to call the
old windjammers "crab crushers," or more specifically, do they have a
full length keel? Since they didn't carry any significant external
ballast, and the keels don't' provide much lateral resistance, they
aren't really a related design.

As for numbers, there were thousands of roundings over the centuries.

"DSK" wrote in message

hard as as it is for the Crab Crusher Mafia to swallow, fin keel boats
have sailed round Cape Horn... in fact I bet by now that more fin keelers
have...


Maxprop wrote:
Doubtful, unless you're discounting the centuries when multi-masted cargo
ships rounded the Horn in lieu of the Panama Canal, which was not yet
constructed.


Discounting them, there's no doubt at all that fin keelers would be in the
majority. Including the old commercial sailing vessels, it might be a
closer call than you think... how many rounded the Horn in a given year on
average?

I really don't have that info, but based on the quantity of East-West trade
during the 1800s and the early 1900s, I'd suspect it was in the hundreds, if
not thousands.

Anyway, it's for sure that no more are going to,

Beyond an occasional "vintage" vessel celebration, this is true.

so it's only a matter of time.

Yes. The fin keel has replaced the full keel in terms of sheer numbers, and
certainly where racing vessels, which comprise a large number of
Horn-rounders, are concerned.

Max

Max