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How I Made My Dreams Come True
So, JL, are we to presume this is autobiographical, or just somebody
that you admire and would like to emulate? jlrogers±³© wrote: http://edu.sina.com.cn/en/2005-02-07/30576.html Public schools are supposed to remove barriers so people can succeed. No it isn't. It *used* to be that public schools were supposed to turn out potential military officers, then later public schools were presumed to give a good enough education for entry into low-level white collar professions and/or college. Nowadays, public schools are an alternative to juvenile detention centers, where young people from the lower classes with no hope are contained temporarily before releasing them into the unskilled labor pool and/or a life of petty crime. ... For some, the system does remove barriers and provide a solid base for achievement. For others, the system replaces one set of barriers with another. For example, creativity is killed by pressuring students to accept the status quo, by establishing a fear to be different and a fear of failure. Or, if you are actually smart enough to learn on your own, you can springboard into college and thence to some high paying profession, where you can afford to carry out your dreams without blathering on and on about imaginary restraints. The author of the story would have done much better to focus on sailing instead of his infantile social theories. It sounds like he did a ot of pretty good sailing but it was left out of the tale. DSK |
"DSK" wrote http://edu.sina.com.cn/en/2005-02-07/30576.html Public schools are supposed to remove barriers so people can succeed. Nowadays, public schools are an alternative to juvenile detention centers, where young people from the lower classes with no hope are contained temporarily before releasing them into the unskilled labor pool and/or a life of petty crime. One can get a very good education from a public school if one applies himself. Parents that care are a big help. It's there for the taking, but you have to want it. Scotty |
a disgruntled DSK wrote
Nowadays, public schools are an alternative to juvenile detention centers, where young people from the lower classes with no hope are contained temporarily before releasing them into the unskilled labor pool and/or a life of petty crime. Scott Vernon wrote: One can get a very good education from a public school if one applies himself. Parents that care are a big help. It's there for the taking, but you have to want it. Agreed. Parents are a BIG part of the equation. And some schools are better than others. The fact remains that if one is trying to get into a good college, a diploma from most public schools is a handicap no matter how good one's grades. This is a big change from 20 years ago, and it certainly tilts the playing field unfairly. DSK |
"DSK" wrote Agreed. Parents are a BIG part of the equation. And some schools are better than others. The fact remains that if one is trying to get into a good college, a diploma from most public schools is a handicap no matter how good one's grades. This is a big change from 20 years ago, and it certainly tilts the playing field unfairly. Do you consider Penn State a good college? SV |
Scott Vernon wrote:
Do you consider Penn State a good college? Yep DSK |
its not about the school's...its about the parent's.....
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I agree, but it's more about the parents. For example, homeschooled kids are
generally better educated. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message om... ~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: its not about the school's...its about the parent's..... Schools and parents, beancounter. jlrogers±³© Beaten by George W. Bush! Now that's funny! |
school's are not near as important as parents...imho
schools = 20% parents = 80% |
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message . com... It is nearly always a mistake to assume anything. Correct .... and it is also a mistake to plagarise. Your essay bears a remarkable resemblance to the article that appears on this page:- http://www.motivation-tools.com/yout..._come_true.htm DSK wrote: So, JL, are we to presume this is autobiographical, or just somebody that you admire and would like to emulate? We're to presume that JL is far less convincing than Neal. Regards Donal -- |
"JG" wrote in message ... For example, homo kids are generally better educated. you would say that. |
That doesn't seem like it's off by much...
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message oups.com... school's are not near as important as parents...imho schools = 20% parents = 80% |
So how do you figure that this is a case of plagiarism?
Donal wrote: "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message . com... It is nearly always a mistake to assume anything. Correct .... and it is also a mistake to plagarise. Your essay bears a remarkable resemblance to the article that appears on this page:- http://www.motivation-tools.com/yout..._come_true.htm DSK wrote: So, JL, are we to presume this is autobiographical, or just somebody that you admire and would like to emulate? We're to presume that JL is far less convincing than Neal. Regards Donal -- |
Scotti Potti is an asshole, but I repeat myself.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... For example, homo kids are generally better educated. you would say that. |
not so IMO
Schools=75% Parents=25% Propers teachers that give a ****=100% Joe |
Donal ass umed.
JL posted a link Donal Put--between the end of the story and is signature. Joe |
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Donal ass umed. JL posted a link Donal Put--between the end of the story and is signature. Oh sh*t!!!!! Regards Donal -- |
well, well, llokie at the new cover of time
mag that arrived a few min ago... "pushy dads, hovering moms, parents who don't show up at all. are kids paying the price"? "what teachers hate about parents"....like i said...its ALL about the parents....(or mostly)...imho |
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents. We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day. Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This kid took what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit school because people like our president told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a flowery essay to describe his ideas! Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not based on pedantic learning. We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science). When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn those skills as well. And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids "shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage. Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the things you want to deny American kids! The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization" mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw 'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a way to retire without it all you civil servants! In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS. Scout. Phew! "jlrogers±³©" wrote [snip] First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved anything without a dream attached to a burning desire. Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize or be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for knowledge. Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure is a no-no. |
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:14:13 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap: Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of [blah blah blah] So it boils down to needing more schools for kids who will end up being drywallers, gardeners, and burger flippers. At least we keep them away from the real students. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
If Bush gets his way, yes.
Scout "Horvath" wrote So it boils down to needing more schools for kids who will end up being drywallers, gardeners, and burger flippers. At least we keep them away from the real students. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they
have failed at their profession. Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9 education isn't sufficient. Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on how to his job. CM "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents. We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day. Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This kid took what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit school because people like our president told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a flowery essay to describe his ideas! Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not based on pedantic learning. We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science). When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn those skills as well. And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids "shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage. Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the things you want to deny American kids! The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization" mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw 'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a way to retire without it all you civil servants! In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS. Scout. Phew! "jlrogers±³©" wrote [snip] First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved anything without a dream attached to a burning desire. Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize or be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for knowledge. Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure is a no-no. |
Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow
down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new place coming? Scotty "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system |
Amen!
What Horvath and Bush don't seem to get is that not everyone is inspired by the same method. Both also seem to imply that vocational students are future burger flippers. I hope Horvy figures out the truth so he's not too shocked when he finds out my 10th grade students are more qualified for a job in telephony than he is. Bush is just a liar. He knows vocational schools are turning out qualified hi-techies. That's why he sends the military in so often to recruit. Scout "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:ZylSd.17861$NN.13680@edtnps89... If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they have failed at their profession. Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9 education isn't sufficient. Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on how to his job. CM "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents. We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day. Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This kid took what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit school because people like our president told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a flowery essay to describe his ideas! Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not based on pedantic learning. We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science). When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn those skills as well. And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids "shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage. Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the things you want to deny American kids! The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization" mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw 'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a way to retire without it all you civil servants! In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS. Scout. Phew! "jlrogers±³©" wrote [snip] First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved anything without a dream attached to a burning desire. Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize or be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for knowledge. Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure is a no-no. |
Maybe 3" or so here.
I've got a backlog of AutoCAD drawings to work on. My side business keeps me hopping. Regarding the house: I did the inspection on the place and it failed in a few critical areas. Septic system failed, radon was high (5.6 picoCuries), and I took (power line) milligauss readings inside the place (15-20 average). The owner was unwilling to negotiate the upgrades and there is nothing he could do about the power lines, so I walked away and took my deposit with me. The high radon level was my free pass out of the deal. We made an offer on a nice place in East Coventry yesterday. Still waiting to here back. Scout "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new place coming? Scotty "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system |
That's a shame. I wouldn't worry too much about the radon level. They
told us our house has very high radon, but we never smell a thing. Scotty "Scout" wrote in message ... Maybe 3" or so here. I've got a backlog of AutoCAD drawings to work on. My side business keeps me hopping. Regarding the house: I did the inspection on the place and it failed in a few critical areas. Septic system failed, radon was high (5.6 picoCuries), and I took (power line) milligauss readings inside the place (15-20 average). The owner was unwilling to negotiate the upgrades and there is nothing he could do about the power lines, so I walked away and took my deposit with me. The high radon level was my free pass out of the deal. We made an offer on a nice place in East Coventry yesterday. Still waiting to here back. Scout "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new place coming? Scotty "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system |
Not that I missed the joke, but... you should really remediate the situation
if you have high levels of radon. Radioactive gas can't be good for your lungs. I like alpha-bet soup but alpha-particle soup is a different story! Scout "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... That's a shame. I wouldn't worry too much about the radon level. They told us our house has very high radon, but we never smell a thing. Scotty "Scout" wrote in message ... Maybe 3" or so here. I've got a backlog of AutoCAD drawings to work on. My side business keeps me hopping. Regarding the house: I did the inspection on the place and it failed in a few critical areas. Septic system failed, radon was high (5.6 picoCuries), and I took (power line) milligauss readings inside the place (15-20 average). The owner was unwilling to negotiate the upgrades and there is nothing he could do about the power lines, so I walked away and took my deposit with me. The high radon level was my free pass out of the deal. We made an offer on a nice place in East Coventry yesterday. Still waiting to here back. Scout "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new place coming? Scotty "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
... That's a shame. I wouldn't worry too much about the radon level. They told us our house has very high radon, but we never smell a thing. ;-).... Radon testing is really about as accurate as spinning a wheel of fortune. Seal the basement and no worries. The worst cases are in the "air-tight" homes with exchangers.... poor air quality and higher Radon levels. I live in a high Radon Gas area as well. The meter didn't even register it in my basement. Malfunctioning Septic Systems are a bad thing though... since you have to recertify to the latest standards and often it requires a major field and tank overhaul / replacement. CM |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote
Radon testing is really about as accurate as spinning a wheel of fortune. Seal the basement and no worries. The worst cases are in the "air-tight" homes with exchangers.... poor air quality and higher Radon levels. I live in a high Radon Gas area as well. The meter didn't even register it in my basement. by seal you mean the outside walls? during construction? do you know of any seal that can be done on the inside basement wall post-construction? From what I've heard, the recommended levels will probably change in the future, as the current limit of 4 pc's was extrapolated from data gathered on uranium miners. Malfunctioning Septic Systems are a bad thing though... since you have to recertify to the latest standards and often it requires a major field and tank overhaul / replacement. yeah, there was some coliform in the well water I forgot to mention. Probably due to the s.sys. but who knows. there are lots of farms around, could be from manure fertilizer. |
"Scout" wrote in message by seal you mean the outside walls? during construction? do you know of any seal that can be done on the inside basement wall post-construction? From what I've heard, the recommended levels will probably change in the future, as the current limit of 4 pc's was extrapolated from data gathered on uranium miners. The meters are not really accurate..... in other words you won't get the same reading twice in the same place and many conditions can affect the results. By seal I mean that no apparent cracks in the floor or foundation. Radon is released at very low volumes and cannot penetrate airtight structures. If in doubt apply an expoxy seal to the basement floor and walls. Make certain the house pad is extended at least a meter and a half beyond the foundation and has a gradation to provide a sufficent void ratios. yeah, there was some coliform in the well water I forgot to mention. Probably due to the s.sys. but who knows. there are lots of farms around, could be from manure fertilizer. At that point I would suggest tapping a much deeper aquifer and sealing the drill hole. It's amazing that to this day some of the inspectors will certify a septic system located up stream of the well with no testing to confirm substrate conditions or seepage. CM |
I can see how your own education is lacking, especially in
your studies of grammar. Why don't you take a course on how to create paragraphs before you post such illiteracy as you did below. CN "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made big snip |
I wouldn't open that can of worms unless you'd like me to tear apart your
many volumes of masturbatory prose. I admit that I don't proof read my ng posts thoroughly, but you need only re-read my entries to see that they are very nearly perfect regarding grammar - including the sentence you've snipped. My writing skills are not lacking, but your reading skills *are* in question. If you feel any particular sentence makes no sense, try reading again but pay more attention to the punctuation. I suspect your real gripe is with my criticism of Bush. You are exactly the kind of civil servant who will be hurt by his social security reform. Of course, you may be old enough to be unaffected, and in that case, probably don't care what happens to everyone else. Bravo Captain Conservative, Bravo! Scout "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... I can see how your own education is lacking, especially in your studies of grammar. Why don't you take a course on how to create paragraphs before you post such illiteracy as you did below. CN "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made big snip |
Illiterate Scout tearing my posts apart?
Hahhah haahh a ha hah ha ha ha hah aha. Good one! As for Social Security, it matters not to me! I have worked hard and saved for my retirement, knowing full well that Social Security is intended to be a supplement and not a total retirement plan like you ignorant liberals seem to think. Even without the paltry Social Security payments I *might* receive, I will get along just fine because I am intelligent and resourceful enough to provide for myself. I am not some government-dependent putz like you and all the other liberals whose greatest desire is to retire on the backs of hardworking people, stealing the fruits of their labor through government mismanagement. Get a clue! Two-term president George W. Bush won and there is nothing to be gained by continued liberal whining. You and your ilk are pathetic! CN "Scout" wrote in message ... I wouldn't open that can of worms unless you'd like me to tear apart your many volumes of masturbatory prose. I admit that I don't proof read my ng posts thoroughly, but you need only re-read my entries to see that they are very nearly perfect regarding grammar - including the sentence you've snipped. My writing skills are not lacking, but your reading skills *are* in question. If you feel any particular sentence makes no sense, try reading again but pay more attention to the punctuation. I suspect your real gripe is with my criticism of Bush. You are exactly the kind of civil servant who will be hurt by his social security reform. Of course, you may be old enough to be unaffected, and in that case, probably don't care what happens to everyone else. Bravo Captain Conservative, Bravo! Scout "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... I can see how your own education is lacking, especially in your studies of grammar. Why don't you take a course on how to create paragraphs before you post such illiteracy as you did below. CN "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made big snip |
Don't ever preach to me about hard work. I can outwork your dried up old ass
any day of the week. I've built a successful company from the ground up, sold it, and retired into teaching. My pension is self-made, so get your facts straight. I didn't get a job delivering mail so I could suck a pension from the tit of society. As for pathetic, your posts are much better examples. How many more times will you be stroking yourself with a claim of being the only sailor in the ng? Do you have a life? a family? any skills? a female friend (human)? any prospects for anything other than a sad and lonely end? I have always respected your sailing knowledge and skills. That's about as far as it goes. Don't push your luck. Scout "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Illiterate Scout tearing my posts apart? Hahhah haahh a ha hah ha ha ha hah aha. Good one! As for Social Security, it matters not to me! I have worked hard and saved for my retirement, knowing full well that Social Security is intended to be a supplement and not a total retirement plan like you ignorant liberals seem to think. Even without the paltry Social Security payments I *might* receive, I will get along just fine because I am intelligent and resourceful enough to provide for myself. I am not some government-dependent putz like you and all the other liberals whose greatest desire is to retire on the backs of hardworking people, stealing the fruits of their labor through government mismanagement. Get a clue! Two-term president George W. Bush won and there is nothing to be gained by continued liberal whining. You and your ilk are pathetic! CN "Scout" wrote in message ... I wouldn't open that can of worms unless you'd like me to tear apart your many volumes of masturbatory prose. I admit that I don't proof read my ng posts thoroughly, but you need only re-read my entries to see that they are very nearly perfect regarding grammar - including the sentence you've snipped. My writing skills are not lacking, but your reading skills *are* in question. If you feel any particular sentence makes no sense, try reading again but pay more attention to the punctuation. I suspect your real gripe is with my criticism of Bush. You are exactly the kind of civil servant who will be hurt by his social security reform. Of course, you may be old enough to be unaffected, and in that case, probably don't care what happens to everyone else. Bravo Captain Conservative, Bravo! Scout "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... I can see how your own education is lacking, especially in your studies of grammar. Why don't you take a course on how to create paragraphs before you post such illiteracy as you did below. CN "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made big snip |
"Scout" wrote in message ... Don't ever preach to me about hard work. I can outwork your dried up old ass any day of the week. That's because you have to work to survive. You don't have the freedom or the gonads to retire and enjoy your life or go sailing. Society has you caught in its grips. You are too weak to escape. I've built a successful company from the ground up, sold it, and retired into teaching. My pension is self-made, so get your facts straight. A teacher! Bwahahahhahahahahahh! Those who can, do; those who cannot, teach! Typical liberal job. Get tenured so you cannot be fired for your ineptitude. Yes Sir, that's a manly job to be sure. Teachers don't even pay into the Social Security system. My advice to you is butt out of criticizing a system that you don't even contribute to. I didn't get a job delivering mail so I could suck a pension from the tit of society. Neither did I! But you did get a job teaching so you could suck off the taxpayer's teat and then are such a hypocrit that you criticize a system to which you don't contribute. Typical whining liberal! As for pathetic, your posts are much better examples. How many more times will you be stroking yourself with a claim of being the only sailor in the ng? As often as it takes to shame you pretend sailors into accepting the reality that you aren't sailors by any stretch of the word. The lot of you are workaday lubbers who only pretend because you don't have the guts to do or to admit you are afraid to do. Do you have a life? Yes. a family? Yea. any skills? More than you have to be sure. a female friend (human)? Affirmative! any prospects for anything other than a sad and lonely end? Many more than some deskbound professor whose cardiovasular system is on the verge of collapse. I have always respected your sailing knowledge and skills. That's about as far as it goes. Don't push your luck. You are wise to respect the knowledge and skills of your betters. Now, go read a book or something. Preferably a book about sailing because that's about as close to sailing as you're going to get. Respectfully, Capt. Neal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote "Scout" wrote Don't ever preach to me about hard work. I can outwork your dried up old ass any day of the week. That's because you have to work to survive. You don't have the freedom or the gonads to retire and enjoy your life or go sailing. Society has you caught in its grips. You are too weak to escape. No Captain, I have the gonads to stick by the people who need me and not selfishly run off and hide in some floating tub. I've built a successful company from the ground up, sold it, and retired into teaching. My pension is self-made, so get your facts straight. A teacher! Bwahahahhahahahahahh! Those who can, do; those who cannot, teach! You seem to enjoy flaunting your certifications. Care to compare areas of competency? licenses? Typical liberal job. Get tenured so you cannot be fired for your ineptitude. Yes Sir, that's a manly job to be sure. Again, your ignorance is showing. Tenure means entitlement of due process. Ironically, as a postal worker, you have the same tenure rights. How do you not know this? Teachers don't even pay into the Social Security system. Jesus, you must get tired of being WRONG. Teachers pay 6.20% Soc Sec., same as everyone else. My advice to you is butt out of criticizing a system that you don't even contribute to. No? Would you like to refund what I've paid into the system since I began teaching? I didn't get a job delivering mail so I could suck a pension from the tit of society. Neither did I! But you did get a job teaching so you could suck off the taxpayer's teat and then are such a hypocrit that you criticize a system to which you don't contribute. Typical whining liberal! First thing is this: I'm not a liberal. You're the one who believes that, not I. Secondly, I teach because I've got something to offer society. People who begin teaching in their 40s are not likely to be career teachers. There is a difference although you may not be able to understand it. As for pathetic, your posts are much better examples. How many more times will you be stroking yourself with a claim of being the only sailor in the ng? As often as it takes to shame you pretend sailors into accepting the reality that you aren't sailors by any stretch of the word. The lot of you are workaday lubbers who only pretend because you don't have the guts to do or to admit you are afraid to do. Afraid? my boat was no where near the quality of yours, but I still took her through the rough ocean inlets off the Jersey coast. My confidence is in myself, not in my boat. Do you have a life? Yes. a family? Yea. For your sake, I'm pleased to hear these things. any skills? More than you have to be sure. I doubt that. a female friend (human)? Affirmative! LP? any prospects for anything other than a sad and lonely end? Many more than some deskbound professor whose cardiovasular system is on the verge of collapse. Deskbound professor? (looking over my shoulder for a deskbound professor). Let me assure you good Captain, I am not in any cardiovascular [check your spelling] danger. Unlike you, I workout daily. I am a champion in wrestling, football, and track. Phsyically you would have no chance of besting me; in my presence, your safety would be at will, my will. Fortunately for you I am a compassionate man with no need to crush any but those who challenge or threaten me or my loved ones. Currently I can bench press close to 400 pounds and can run a mile without being winded. I'm hardly deskbound. No doubt you think I'm bull****ting, perhaps after I move closer to Scotty he will confirm this for you. I have always respected your sailing knowledge and skills. That's about as far as it goes. Don't push your luck. You are wise to respect the knowledge and skills of your betters. I give credit where credit is due. No more, no less. Now, go read a book or something. Preferably a book about sailing because that's about as close to sailing as you're going to get. I am reading the work of Horace Mann at the moment. I will sail plenty, you don't need to worry about that! Cheers, now let me get back to work, damn it! Scout |
Well said.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents. We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day. Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This kid took what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit school because people like our president told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a flowery essay to describe his ideas! Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not based on pedantic learning. We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science). When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn those skills as well. And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids "shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage. Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the things you want to deny American kids! The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization" mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw 'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a way to retire without it all you civil servants! In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS. Scout. Phew! "jlrogers±³©" wrote [snip] First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved anything without a dream attached to a burning desire. Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize or be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for knowledge. Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure is a no-no. |
No, it's the parents who must inspire the child. The teacher is supposed to
support the enthusiasm and open up even more pathways to knowledge. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:ZylSd.17861$NN.13680@edtnps89... If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they have failed at their profession. Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9 education isn't sufficient. Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on how to his job. CM "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents. We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day. Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This kid took what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit school because people like our president told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a flowery essay to describe his ideas! Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not based on pedantic learning. We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science). When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn those skills as well. And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids "shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage. Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the things you want to deny American kids! The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization" mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw 'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a way to retire without it all you civil servants! In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS. Scout. Phew! "jlrogers±³©" wrote [snip] First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved anything without a dream attached to a burning desire. Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize or be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for knowledge. Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure is a no-no. |
But the exception does prove the point that most gov't workers work hard.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... Don't ever preach to me about hard work. I can outwork your dried up old ass any day of the week. I've built a successful company from the ground up, sold it, and retired into teaching. My pension is self-made, so get your facts straight. I didn't get a job delivering mail so I could suck a pension from the tit of society. As for pathetic, your posts are much better examples. How many more times will you be stroking yourself with a claim of being the only sailor in the ng? Do you have a life? a family? any skills? a female friend (human)? any prospects for anything other than a sad and lonely end? I have always respected your sailing knowledge and skills. That's about as far as it goes. Don't push your luck. Scout "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Illiterate Scout tearing my posts apart? Hahhah haahh a ha hah ha ha ha hah aha. Good one! As for Social Security, it matters not to me! I have worked hard and saved for my retirement, knowing full well that Social Security is intended to be a supplement and not a total retirement plan like you ignorant liberals seem to think. Even without the paltry Social Security payments I *might* receive, I will get along just fine because I am intelligent and resourceful enough to provide for myself. I am not some government-dependent putz like you and all the other liberals whose greatest desire is to retire on the backs of hardworking people, stealing the fruits of their labor through government mismanagement. Get a clue! Two-term president George W. Bush won and there is nothing to be gained by continued liberal whining. You and your ilk are pathetic! CN "Scout" wrote in message ... I wouldn't open that can of worms unless you'd like me to tear apart your many volumes of masturbatory prose. I admit that I don't proof read my ng posts thoroughly, but you need only re-read my entries to see that they are very nearly perfect regarding grammar - including the sentence you've snipped. My writing skills are not lacking, but your reading skills *are* in question. If you feel any particular sentence makes no sense, try reading again but pay more attention to the punctuation. I suspect your real gripe is with my criticism of Bush. You are exactly the kind of civil servant who will be hurt by his social security reform. Of course, you may be old enough to be unaffected, and in that case, probably don't care what happens to everyone else. Bravo Captain Conservative, Bravo! Scout "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... I can see how your own education is lacking, especially in your studies of grammar. Why don't you take a course on how to create paragraphs before you post such illiteracy as you did below. CN "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made big snip |
....and you have how many children again Jon???
CM "JG" wrote in message ... No, it's the parents who must inspire the child. The teacher is supposed to support the enthusiasm and open up even more pathways to knowledge. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:ZylSd.17861$NN.13680@edtnps89... If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they have failed at their profession. Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9 education isn't sufficient. Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on how to his job. CM "Scout" wrote in message ... Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents. We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day. Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This kid took what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit school because people like our president told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a flowery essay to describe his ideas! Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not based on pedantic learning. We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science). When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn those skills as well. And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids "shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage. Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the things you want to deny American kids! The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization" mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw 'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a way to retire without it all you civil servants! In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS. Scout. Phew! "jlrogers±³©" wrote [snip] First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved anything without a dream attached to a burning desire. Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize or be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for knowledge. Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure is a no-no. |
"JG" wrote in message ... But the exception does prove the point that most gov't workers work hard. Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaa.... what planet are you from? CM |
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