I wouldn't open that can of worms unless you'd like me to tear apart your
many volumes of masturbatory prose. I admit that I don't proof read my ng
posts thoroughly, but you need only re-read my entries to see that they are
very nearly perfect regarding grammar - including the sentence you've
snipped. My writing skills are not lacking, but your reading skills *are* in
question. If you feel any particular sentence makes no sense, try reading
again but pay more attention to the punctuation.
I suspect your real gripe is with my criticism of Bush. You are exactly the
kind of civil servant who will be hurt by his social security reform. Of
course, you may be old enough to be unaffected, and in that case, probably
don't care what happens to everyone else.
Bravo Captain Conservative, Bravo!
Scout


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I can see how your own education is lacking, especially in
your studies of grammar. Why don't you take a course on
how to create paragraphs before you post such illiteracy
as you did below.

CN


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much
like you were, kids who've made big snip

Illiterate Scout tearing my posts apart?

Hahhah haahh a ha hah ha ha ha hah aha. Good one!

As for Social Security, it matters not to me! I have worked hard and
saved for my retirement, knowing full well that Social Security is
intended to be a supplement and not a total retirement plan like you
ignorant liberals seem to think. Even without the paltry Social Security
payments I *might* receive, I will get along just fine because I am
intelligent and resourceful enough to provide for myself.

I am not some government-dependent putz like you and all the other
liberals whose greatest desire is to retire on the backs of hardworking
people, stealing the fruits of their labor through government mismanagement.

Get a clue! Two-term president George W. Bush won and there is nothing
to be gained by continued liberal whining. You and your ilk are pathetic!

CN


"Scout" wrote in message ...
I wouldn't open that can of worms unless you'd like me to tear apart your many volumes of masturbatory prose. I admit that I don't
proof read my ng posts thoroughly, but you need only re-read my entries to see that they are very nearly perfect regarding
grammar - including the sentence you've snipped. My writing skills are not lacking, but your reading skills *are* in question. If
you feel any particular sentence makes no sense, try reading again but pay more attention to the punctuation.
I suspect your real gripe is with my criticism of Bush. You are exactly the kind of civil servant who will be hurt by his social
security reform. Of course, you may be old enough to be unaffected, and in that case, probably don't care what happens to everyone
else.
Bravo Captain Conservative, Bravo!
Scout


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ...
I can see how your own education is lacking, especially in
your studies of grammar. Why don't you take a course on
how to create paragraphs before you post such illiteracy
as you did below.

CN


"Scout" wrote in message ...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high
schools, students much like you were, kids who've made big snip

Don't ever preach to me about hard work. I can outwork your dried up old ass
any day of the week.
I've built a successful company from the ground up, sold it, and retired
into teaching. My pension is self-made, so get your facts straight. I didn't
get a job delivering mail so I could suck a pension from the tit of society.
As for pathetic, your posts are much better examples. How many more times
will you be stroking yourself with a claim of being the only sailor in the
ng? Do you have a life? a family? any skills? a female friend (human)? any
prospects for anything other than a sad and lonely end?
I have always respected your sailing knowledge and skills. That's about as
far as it goes. Don't push your luck.
Scout


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Illiterate Scout tearing my posts apart?

Hahhah haahh a ha hah ha ha ha hah aha. Good one!

As for Social Security, it matters not to me! I have worked hard and
saved for my retirement, knowing full well that Social Security is
intended to be a supplement and not a total retirement plan like you
ignorant liberals seem to think. Even without the paltry Social Security
payments I *might* receive, I will get along just fine because I am
intelligent and resourceful enough to provide for myself.

I am not some government-dependent putz like you and all the other
liberals whose greatest desire is to retire on the backs of hardworking
people, stealing the fruits of their labor through government
mismanagement.

Get a clue! Two-term president George W. Bush won and there is nothing
to be gained by continued liberal whining. You and your ilk are pathetic!

CN


"Scout" wrote in message
...
I wouldn't open that can of worms unless you'd like me to tear apart your
many volumes of masturbatory prose. I admit that I don't proof read my ng
posts thoroughly, but you need only re-read my entries to see that they
are very nearly perfect regarding grammar - including the sentence you've
snipped. My writing skills are not lacking, but your reading skills *are*
in question. If you feel any particular sentence makes no sense, try
reading again but pay more attention to the punctuation.
I suspect your real gripe is with my criticism of Bush. You are exactly
the kind of civil servant who will be hurt by his social security reform.
Of course, you may be old enough to be unaffected, and in that case,
probably don't care what happens to everyone else.
Bravo Captain Conservative, Bravo!
Scout


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I can see how your own education is lacking, especially in
your studies of grammar. Why don't you take a course on
how to create paragraphs before you post such illiteracy
as you did below.

CN


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders
of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students
much like you were, kids who've made big snip

"Scout" wrote in message ...
Don't ever preach to me about hard work. I can outwork your dried up old ass
any day of the week.

That's because you have to work to survive. You don't have the freedom
or the gonads to retire and enjoy your life or go sailing. Society has
you caught in its grips. You are too weak to escape.

I've built a successful company from the ground up, sold it, and retired
into teaching. My pension is self-made, so get your facts straight.

A teacher! Bwahahahhahahahahahh! Those who can, do; those who
cannot, teach! Typical liberal job. Get tenured so you cannot be fired
for your ineptitude. Yes Sir, that's a manly job to be sure. Teachers
don't even pay into the Social Security system. My advice to you is
butt out of criticizing a system that you don't even contribute to.

I didn't
get a job delivering mail so I could suck a pension from the tit of society.

Neither did I! But you did get a job teaching so you could suck off the
taxpayer's teat and then are such a hypocrit that you criticize a system
to which you don't contribute. Typical whining liberal!

As for pathetic, your posts are much better examples. How many more times
will you be stroking yourself with a claim of being the only sailor in the
ng?

As often as it takes to shame you pretend sailors into accepting the reality
that you aren't sailors by any stretch of the word. The lot of you are
workaday lubbers who only pretend because you don't have the guts to
do or to admit you are afraid to do.

Do you have a life?
Yes.

a family?
Yea.

any skills?
More than you have to be sure.

a female friend (human)?
Affirmative!

any
prospects for anything other than a sad and lonely end?

Many more than some deskbound professor whose cardiovasular
system is on the verge of collapse.

I have always respected your sailing knowledge and skills. That's about as
far as it goes. Don't push your luck.

You are wise to respect the knowledge and skills of your betters.

Now, go read a book or something. Preferably a book about sailing because
that's about as close to sailing as you're going to get.

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Capt. Neal®" wrote
"Scout" wrote
Don't ever preach to me about hard work. I can outwork your dried up old
ass any day of the week.
That's because you have to work to survive. You don't have the freedom
or the gonads to retire and enjoy your life or go sailing. Society has
you caught in its grips. You are too weak to escape.
No Captain, I have the gonads to stick by the people who need me and not
selfishly run off and hide in some floating tub.

I've built a successful company from the ground up, sold it, and retired
into teaching. My pension is self-made, so get your facts straight.
A teacher! Bwahahahhahahahahahh! Those who can, do; those who
cannot, teach!
You seem to enjoy flaunting your certifications. Care to compare areas of
competency? licenses?

Typical liberal job. Get tenured so you cannot be fired
for your ineptitude. Yes Sir, that's a manly job to be sure.
Again, your ignorance is showing. Tenure means entitlement of due process.
Ironically, as a postal worker, you have the same tenure rights. How do you
not know this?

Teachers don't even pay into the Social Security system.
Jesus, you must get tired of being WRONG.
Teachers pay 6.20% Soc Sec., same as everyone else.

My advice to you is
butt out of criticizing a system that you don't even contribute to.
No? Would you like to refund what I've paid into the system since I began
teaching?

I didn't get a job delivering mail so I could suck a pension from the tit
of society.

Neither did I! But you did get a job teaching so you could suck off the
taxpayer's teat and then are such a hypocrit that you criticize a system
to which you don't contribute. Typical whining liberal!
First thing is this: I'm not a liberal. You're the one who believes that,
not I.
Secondly, I teach because I've got something to offer society. People who
begin teaching in their 40s are not likely to be career teachers. There is a
difference although you may not be able to understand it.

As for pathetic, your posts are much better examples. How many more times
will you be stroking yourself with a claim of being the only sailor in
the ng?

As often as it takes to shame you pretend sailors into accepting the
reality
that you aren't sailors by any stretch of the word. The lot of you are
workaday lubbers who only pretend because you don't have the guts to
do or to admit you are afraid to do.
Afraid? my boat was no where near the quality of yours, but I still took her
through the rough ocean inlets off the Jersey coast. My confidence is in
myself, not in my boat.

Do you have a life?
Yes.

a family?
Yea.
For your sake, I'm pleased to hear these things.

any skills?
More than you have to be sure.
I doubt that.

a female friend (human)?
Affirmative!
LP?

any prospects for anything other than a sad and lonely end?

Many more than some deskbound professor whose cardiovasular
system is on the verge of collapse.
Deskbound professor? (looking over my shoulder for a deskbound professor).
Let me assure you good Captain, I am not in any cardiovascular [check your
spelling] danger. Unlike you, I workout daily. I am a champion in wrestling,
football, and track. Phsyically you would have no chance of besting me; in
my presence, your safety would be at will, my will. Fortunately for you I am
a compassionate man with no need to crush any but those who challenge or
threaten me or my loved ones. Currently I can bench press close to 400
pounds and can run a mile without being winded. I'm hardly deskbound. No
doubt you think I'm bull****ting, perhaps after I move closer to Scotty he
will confirm this for you.

I have always respected your sailing knowledge and skills. That's about
as far as it goes. Don't push your luck.

You are wise to respect the knowledge and skills of your betters.
I give credit where credit is due. No more, no less.

Now, go read a book or something. Preferably a book about sailing because
that's about as close to sailing as you're going to get.
I am reading the work of Horace Mann at the moment.
I will sail plenty, you don't need to worry about that!

Cheers,
now let me get back to work, damn it!
Scout

Well said.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much
like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system
that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning
disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents.
We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge
them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our
students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real
skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day.
Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created
a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the
buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he made
using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the school's
front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are reminded
daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot and stare
contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This kid took
what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and integrated that
with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent and deep. And to
think, this kid wanted to quit school because people like our president
told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a flowery essay to
describe his ideas!
Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high
schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written
tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can cause
the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending school.
These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is staring out the
window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not based on
pedantic learning.
We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of life
on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to learn
fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science). When kids
find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn those
skills as well.
And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids
"shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of
technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC programming,
from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to advertising, our kids
are blossoming into productive citizenship! What they're not doing is
repairing shoes, what they are doing is building smart robots, producing
detailed architectural drawings, and programming emission systems to
improve air quality and gas mileage.
Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but
nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the
things you want to deny American kids!
The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about
schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization"
mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't
it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with
and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's
why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and then
blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way to pay
for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw 'em. It's
important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a way to
retire without it all you civil servants!
In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS.
Scout. Phew!


"jlrogers±³©" wrote
[snip]
First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved
anything without a dream attached to a burning desire.

Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize
or
be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for
knowledge.

Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from
failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure
is a
no-no.

No, it's the parents who must inspire the child. The teacher is supposed to
support the enthusiasm and open up even more pathways to knowledge.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:ZylSd.17861$NN.13680@edtnps89...
If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they
have failed at their profession.
Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9
education isn't sufficient.
Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on how
to his job.

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much
like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system
that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning
disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents.
We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge
them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our
students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real
skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day.
Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created
a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the
buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he
made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the
school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are
reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot
and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This
kid took what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and
integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent
and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit school because people
like our president told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a
flowery essay to describe his ideas!
Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high
schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written
tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can
cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending
school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is
staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not
based on pedantic learning.
We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of
life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to
learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science).
When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn
those skills as well.
And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids
"shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of
technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC
programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to
advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What
they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building
smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming
emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage.
Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but
nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the
things you want to deny American kids!
The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about
schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization"
mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't
it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with
and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's
why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and
then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way
to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw
'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a
way to retire without it all you civil servants!
In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS.
Scout. Phew!


"jlrogers±³©" wrote
[snip]
First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved
anything without a dream attached to a burning desire.

Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize
or
be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for
knowledge.

Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from
failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure
is a
no-no.

But the exception does prove the point that most gov't workers work hard.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Don't ever preach to me about hard work. I can outwork your dried up old
ass any day of the week.
I've built a successful company from the ground up, sold it, and retired
into teaching. My pension is self-made, so get your facts straight. I
didn't get a job delivering mail so I could suck a pension from the tit of
society.
As for pathetic, your posts are much better examples. How many more times
will you be stroking yourself with a claim of being the only sailor in the
ng? Do you have a life? a family? any skills? a female friend (human)?
any prospects for anything other than a sad and lonely end?
I have always respected your sailing knowledge and skills. That's about as
far as it goes. Don't push your luck.
Scout


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Illiterate Scout tearing my posts apart?

Hahhah haahh a ha hah ha ha ha hah aha. Good one!

As for Social Security, it matters not to me! I have worked hard and
saved for my retirement, knowing full well that Social Security is
intended to be a supplement and not a total retirement plan like you
ignorant liberals seem to think. Even without the paltry Social Security
payments I *might* receive, I will get along just fine because I am
intelligent and resourceful enough to provide for myself.

I am not some government-dependent putz like you and all the other
liberals whose greatest desire is to retire on the backs of hardworking
people, stealing the fruits of their labor through government
mismanagement.

Get a clue! Two-term president George W. Bush won and there is nothing
to be gained by continued liberal whining. You and your ilk are
pathetic!

CN


"Scout" wrote in message
...
I wouldn't open that can of worms unless you'd like me to tear apart your
many volumes of masturbatory prose. I admit that I don't proof read my ng
posts thoroughly, but you need only re-read my entries to see that they
are very nearly perfect regarding grammar - including the sentence you've
snipped. My writing skills are not lacking, but your reading skills *are*
in question. If you feel any particular sentence makes no sense, try
reading again but pay more attention to the punctuation.
I suspect your real gripe is with my criticism of Bush. You are exactly
the kind of civil servant who will be hurt by his social security
reform. Of course, you may be old enough to be unaffected, and in that
case, probably don't care what happens to everyone else.
Bravo Captain Conservative, Bravo!
Scout


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I can see how your own education is lacking, especially in
your studies of grammar. Why don't you take a course on
how to create paragraphs before you post such illiteracy
as you did below.

CN


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders
of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students
much like you were, kids who've made big snip

....and you have how many children again Jon???

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
No, it's the parents who must inspire the child. The teacher is supposed
to support the enthusiasm and open up even more pathways to knowledge.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:ZylSd.17861$NN.13680@edtnps89...
If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they
have failed at their profession.
Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9
education isn't sufficient.
Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on
how to his job.

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders
of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students
much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead
of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance
to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system
that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning
disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents.
We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge
them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our
students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real
skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day.
Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he
re-created a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated
all the buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers,
which he made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight
in the school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and
disintegrate, we are reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull
into our parking lot and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes
a person think. This kid took what he learned about metals and welding
techniques, and integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The
result is magnificent and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit
school because people like our president told him he was a failure
because he couldn't write a flowery essay to describe his ideas!
Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high
schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written
tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can
cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending
school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is
staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is
not based on pedantic learning.
We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of
life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to
learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science).
When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn
those skills as well.
And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids
"shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of
technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC
programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to
advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What
they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building
smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming
emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage.
Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but
nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the
things you want to deny American kids!
The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about
schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization"
mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't
it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with
and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's
why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and
then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way
to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw
'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a
way to retire without it all you civil servants!
In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS.
Scout. Phew!


"jlrogers±³©" wrote
[snip]
First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved
anything without a dream attached to a burning desire.

Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize
or
be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for
knowledge.

Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from
failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure
is a
no-no.

"JG" wrote in message
...
But the exception does prove the point that most gov't workers work hard.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaa.... what planet are you from?

CM