JG wrote:
And the cat did about the same, perhaps even faster in 10 knots.

I doubt it. It sounds like the cat you chartered had pretty good
performance, but no charter boat is going to hit 0.9X true wind speed
close hauled. The heavy sails just aren't up to it, for one thing.

My point is not that cats are slow (that would be dumb) but that *fast*
monos are faster than non-racers are going to believe. There are 30
footers that rate less than 50 PHRF... yet a 40 foot racer-cruiser that
rates 100 is considered "fast" by many and the cruising cat sailors brag
about pulling away from such a one.

For example, our Johnson 18 can beat beach cats much of the time. The
only point of sail cats have an advantage is close reaching, when we
can't set the spinnaker and can't take advantage of outpointing them.
They also go better through a chop.

The big advantages to a cruising cat IMHO are the lack of heel, shallow
draft, and the greater elbow room per LOA. If you want speed, a cruising
cat is not at the top of the list. It'd be interesting to see how some
of the custom cats perform when outfitted for cruising.

... I believe
the first picture (of the instrument panel) was taken in about 10 knots of
wind, pretty much on a downwind course. We saw 9+ kts in 11 kts wind
regularly when close hauled, but could never really point quite as high as
the monos. I didn't see any Express boat out there. We most saw Beneteaus.


'Cosmic Warlord' is the Bitter End's Express 37. It's not really tricked
out but they do have good sails and it has no furniture. It's pretty
darn fast- they rate around 70 PHRF in cruising trim. When we had it
really going we were too busy to look at the speedo. I saw mid-teens a
bunch of times including under white sails. It's one of those boats
that's difficult to surf because it goes faster than the waves, keeps
sticking it's nose in the wave in front.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

JG wrote:
Actually, it was my 6th trip.

Cool!


.... I've been to Anegada 4 times, but to the BE
all 6. We had bad weather for the Anegada trip the other 2.


I've only been to Anegada once, it seemed like bad karma for us. Great
snorkeling though.

IMHO the best sailing vacation is to stay in the hotel. You can sail any
of the boats, don't have to worry about anchoring or cooking or
cleaning or monkey with a dinghy outboard.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:21:21 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

Listen twerp, you wouldn't know a real sailboat if it kissed you on your
girly tits. Your piece of crap hunter is too much boat for you, that's for
sure.


You mean my Hunter is too much for a gayboy like YOU. You just can't
handle the big ones.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Well, you managed to bum me out. This is the first year out of the last 6
that we are not doing the BVI thing. Nice photos. I'll probably sit here and
look at them for a while instead of the snow that's on the ground.
Cats are the only way to go for a charter at least in my opinion. We've
chartered TMMs Tabago 35, Athena 38, Beleze 43 and Lagoon 380. The friends we
usually go with are leaving tomorrow and they are chartering one of the new
power cats from TMM.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Have you been to Green Cay? If it's not to surgy, it's a great place...
beautiful beaches, snorkling is ok too. Less dramatic landing with the
dinghy than Sandy Cay.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"DSK" wrote in message
...
JG wrote:
Actually, it was my 6th trip.

Cool!


.... I've been to Anegada 4 times, but to the BE all 6. We had bad
weather for the Anegada trip the other 2.


I've only been to Anegada once, it seemed like bad karma for us. Great
snorkeling though.

IMHO the best sailing vacation is to stay in the hotel. You can sail any
of the boats, don't have to worry about anchoring or cooking or cleaning
or monkey with a dinghy outboard.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Sorry... but I know what you mean. What did you think of the Lagoon 380?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Well, you managed to bum me out. This is the first year out of the last
6
that we are not doing the BVI thing. Nice photos. I'll probably sit here
and
look at them for a while instead of the snow that's on the ground.
Cats are the only way to go for a charter at least in my opinion. We've
chartered TMMs Tabago 35, Athena 38, Beleze 43 and Lagoon 380. The
friends we
usually go with are leaving tomorrow and they are chartering one of the
new
power cats from TMM.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Your hunter is a piece of garbage and you're the equivalent of a punk who
steals a lady's purse and thinks that makes him a man.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:21:21 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

Listen twerp, you wouldn't know a real sailboat if it kissed you on your
girly tits. Your piece of crap hunter is too much boat for you, that's for
sure.


You mean my Hunter is too much for a gayboy like YOU. You just can't
handle the big ones.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

JG wrote:
Have you been to Green Cay? If it's not to surgy, it's a great place...
beautiful beaches, snorkling is ok too. Less dramatic landing with the
dinghy than Sandy Cay.


Yes, and we liked Little Jost Van Dyke better than JVD. The charter
companies don't want you to go to the good places (such as Brewer's Bay)
which is fine with me.

Anageda & Eustatia Reef was the best snorkeling we've found there,
although some of the places off the beaten path like Mountain Pt & South
Sound are pretty good. The lack of crowds appeal to me. We also went to
the Invisibles which was interesting & different.

Anageda can be tricky... strong current and breakers most of the time.
Not only dangerous but it pulls people into situations where they damage
the reef.

It makes me furious to see tourists standing on the reef or handling
things. The locals explain the proliferation of dead coral by saying
"hurricane damage" but there's more than that going on. We saw a fair
amount of healthy stuff and regrowing coral, but not in the places
jammed with charter boats.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

TMM had Brewers on the no-go list when we got there. Apparently, a previous
charter boat "came to grief" there, according to the guy who checked us out
that day.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"DSK" wrote in message
...
JG wrote:
Have you been to Green Cay? If it's not to surgy, it's a great place...
beautiful beaches, snorkling is ok too. Less dramatic landing with the
dinghy than Sandy Cay.


Yes, and we liked Little Jost Van Dyke better than JVD. The charter
companies don't want you to go to the good places (such as Brewer's Bay)
which is fine with me.

Anageda & Eustatia Reef was the best snorkeling we've found there,
although some of the places off the beaten path like Mountain Pt & South
Sound are pretty good. The lack of crowds appeal to me. We also went to
the Invisibles which was interesting & different.

Anageda can be tricky... strong current and breakers most of the time. Not
only dangerous but it pulls people into situations where they damage the
reef.

It makes me furious to see tourists standing on the reef or handling
things. The locals explain the proliferation of dead coral by saying
"hurricane damage" but there's more than that going on. We saw a fair
amount of healthy stuff and regrowing coral, but not in the places jammed
with charter boats.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Yeah... well there are 3 reefs in the bay.... one in the middle that
everyone runs aground on. If you enter on the stbd side there is a clean
deep sand entry good to the shore. I've seen a half dozen boats go aground
in Brewer's Bay.

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
TMM had Brewers on the no-go list when we got there. Apparently, a
previous charter boat "came to grief" there, according to the guy who
checked us out that day.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"DSK" wrote in message
...
JG wrote:
Have you been to Green Cay? If it's not to surgy, it's a great place...
beautiful beaches, snorkling is ok too. Less dramatic landing with the
dinghy than Sandy Cay.


Yes, and we liked Little Jost Van Dyke better than JVD. The charter
companies don't want you to go to the good places (such as Brewer's Bay)
which is fine with me.

Anageda & Eustatia Reef was the best snorkeling we've found there,
although some of the places off the beaten path like Mountain Pt & South
Sound are pretty good. The lack of crowds appeal to me. We also went to
the Invisibles which was interesting & different.

Anageda can be tricky... strong current and breakers most of the time.
Not only dangerous but it pulls people into situations where they damage
the reef.

It makes me furious to see tourists standing on the reef or handling
things. The locals explain the proliferation of dead coral by saying
"hurricane damage" but there's more than that going on. We saw a fair
amount of healthy stuff and regrowing coral, but not in the places jammed
with charter boats.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King