Work horse gun for cruising
 

What is the best gun for yachting? The shotgun can blow large holes in
fiberglass, shoot flares but can be cumbersome. The pistol is easy to handle
but must be of a large caliber to be effective. My favorite is the good old
7.62 mm assault rifle. Great range, fire power and visibility - strikes fear
into the enemy. They tend to get heavy with 40 round clips, but nothing
beats the feel of an old friend pressed against your shoulder and cheek, the
smell of powder, the ring in the ears and of course the toasty warm barrel
with the odor of gun oil and solvents!

I personal recommend an HK 91, or a Springfield Armory M1A or M-14. With 40
rounds you are bound to hit something! Hoo-yah! Ah-men!!!

BC

Question?

Has any GUN CARRYING SAILOR ever repulsed a boarder?

Ole Thom

Why would you need a gun for yachting?



On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:31:47 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

What is the best gun for yachting? The shotgun can blow large holes in
fiberglass, shoot flares but can be cumbersome. The pistol is easy to handle
but must be of a large caliber to be effective. My favorite is the good old
7.62 mm assault rifle. Great range, fire power and visibility - strikes fear
into the enemy. They tend to get heavy with 40 round clips, but nothing
beats the feel of an old friend pressed against your shoulder and cheek, the
smell of powder, the ring in the ears and of course the toasty warm barrel
with the odor of gun oil and solvents!

I personal recommend an HK 91, or a Springfield Armory M1A or M-14. With 40
rounds you are bound to hit something! Hoo-yah! Ah-men!!!

BC

"katysails" wrote in message ...
I find a glue gun works quite well....

That's pretty drastic. Ever try Polident?

CN

Ever tried manatee steaks? Or Dolphin steaks.

It's easier to shot them than to hook them.

CN


"Miss Mo'Lissa" wrote in message ...
Why would you need a gun for yachting?



On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:31:47 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

What is the best gun for yachting? The shotgun can blow large holes in
fiberglass, shoot flares but can be cumbersome. The pistol is easy to handle
but must be of a large caliber to be effective. My favorite is the good old
7.62 mm assault rifle. Great range, fire power and visibility - strikes fear
into the enemy. They tend to get heavy with 40 round clips, but nothing
beats the feel of an old friend pressed against your shoulder and cheek, the
smell of powder, the ring in the ears and of course the toasty warm barrel
with the odor of gun oil and solvents!

I personal recommend an HK 91, or a Springfield Armory M1A or M-14. With 40
rounds you are bound to hit something! Hoo-yah! Ah-men!!!

BC

Does Neal carry a gun? He repulses everybody.

Scotty

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Question?

Has any GUN CARRYING SAILOR ever repulsed a boarder?

Ole Thom

The effluent from a well-filled, well-aimed cedar bucket is better at
repulsing boarders than a gun. The last jet-skier that was buzzing my
boat is probably still cleaning his life jacket and ride.

CN



Scotty

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Question?

Has any GUN CARRYING SAILOR ever repulsed a boarder?

Ole Thom

I like the young manatee best...before the testosterone taints the meat
like mutten. Easy to shoot....very trusting.
Mundo

Capt. Neal® wrote:
Ever tried manatee steaks? Or Dolphin steaks.

It's easier to shot them than to hook them.

CN


"Miss Mo'Lissa" wrote in message
...

Why would you need a gun for yachting?


On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:31:47 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

What is the best gun for yachting? The shotgun can blow large holes in
fiberglass, shoot flares but can be cumbersome. The pistol is easy to
handle
but must be of a large caliber to be effective. My favorite is the
good old
7.62 mm assault rifle. Great range, fire power and visibility -
strikes fear
into the enemy. They tend to get heavy with 40 round clips, but nothing
beats the feel of an old friend pressed against your shoulder and
cheek, the
smell of powder, the ring in the ears and of course the toasty warm
barrel
with the odor of gun oil and solvents!

I personal recommend an HK 91, or a Springfield Armory M1A or M-14.
With 40
rounds you are bound to hit something! Hoo-yah! Ah-men!!!

BC

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:31:47 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote this crap:

What is the best gun for yachting? The shotgun can blow large holes in
fiberglass, shoot flares but can be cumbersome. The pistol is easy to handle
but must be of a large caliber to be effective. My favorite is the good old
7.62 mm assault rifle. Great range, fire power and visibility - strikes fear
into the enemy. They tend to get heavy with 40 round clips, but nothing
beats the feel of an old friend pressed against your shoulder and cheek, the
smell of powder, the ring in the ears and of course the toasty warm barrel
with the odor of gun oil and solvents!

I personal recommend an HK 91, or a Springfield Armory M1A or M-14. With 40
rounds you are bound to hit something! Hoo-yah! Ah-men!!!


Waste of ammo. For close work, the Browning 9mm is good. I'm a Colt
..45 man, myself. The HK 91 is good, but the M1 or M14 are too heavy.
I don't favor an automatic rifle for close work. I prefer a pistol.
An advantage of a pistol is that it leaves you one hand free for
looting.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:23:47 -0900, Miss Mo'Lissa
wrote this crap:

Why would you need a gun for yachting?


For looting, and fighting off other pirates, of course.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

So you're suggesting everyone should have their own personal Neal for those
types od situations...think I'd rather be boarded...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Does Neal carry a gun? He repulses everybody.

Scotty

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Question?

Has any GUN CARRYING SAILOR ever repulsed a boarder?

Ole Thom

Paranoia....they think the pirates are gonna get them...actually, it depends
on where you sail...some places in the Caribbean (mostly down towards S.
America) and places in the Indian Ocean do have real pirate types tat will
board and kill you...not many in this group sail in those situations,
though, so just consider it manly posturing...


"Miss Mo'Lissa" wrote in message
...
Why would you need a gun for yachting?



On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:31:47 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

What is the best gun for yachting? The shotgun can blow large holes in
fiberglass, shoot flares but can be cumbersome. The pistol is easy to
handle
but must be of a large caliber to be effective. My favorite is the good
old
7.62 mm assault rifle. Great range, fire power and visibility - strikes
fear
into the enemy. They tend to get heavy with 40 round clips, but nothing
beats the feel of an old friend pressed against your shoulder and cheek,
the
smell of powder, the ring in the ears and of course the toasty warm barrel
with the odor of gun oil and solvents!

I personal recommend an HK 91, or a Springfield Armory M1A or M-14. With
40
rounds you are bound to hit something! Hoo-yah! Ah-men!!!

BC

You use Polident? Isn't there a West Marine store by you? Or you could
order 3M supplies onine....I realize that you can just shoplift Polident at
K-Mart, but for your own safety's sake, spend that little extra and make
your boat safe...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I find a glue gun works quite well....

That's pretty drastic. Ever try Polident?

CN

That's what comes from sailing in the Detroit area....

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:31:47 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote this crap:

What is the best gun for yachting? The shotgun can blow large holes in
fiberglass, shoot flares but can be cumbersome. The pistol is easy to
handle
but must be of a large caliber to be effective. My favorite is the good
old
7.62 mm assault rifle. Great range, fire power and visibility - strikes
fear
into the enemy. They tend to get heavy with 40 round clips, but nothing
beats the feel of an old friend pressed against your shoulder and cheek,
the
smell of powder, the ring in the ears and of course the toasty warm barrel
with the odor of gun oil and solvents!

I personal recommend an HK 91, or a Springfield Armory M1A or M-14. With
40
rounds you are bound to hit something! Hoo-yah! Ah-men!!!


Waste of ammo. For close work, the Browning 9mm is good. I'm a Colt
.45 man, myself. The HK 91 is good, but the M1 or M14 are too heavy.
I don't favor an automatic rifle for close work. I prefer a pistol.
An advantage of a pistol is that it leaves you one hand free for
looting.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Now there's a repulsive thought!


"katysails" wrote in message
...
So you're suggesting everyone should have their own personal Neal
for those
types od situations...think I'd rather be boarded...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Does Neal carry a gun? He repulses everybody.

Scotty

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Question?

Has any GUN CARRYING SAILOR ever repulsed a boarder?

Ole Thom

Good point. One hand free allows one to re ignite their cigar should it go
out for some reason. The 9 mm is an enemic round, suitable for use by women.
Try the 41 mag. Make certain you practice quite a bit.


"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:31:47 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote this crap:

What is the best gun for yachting? The shotgun can blow large holes in
fiberglass, shoot flares but can be cumbersome. The pistol is easy to
handle
but must be of a large caliber to be effective. My favorite is the good
old
7.62 mm assault rifle. Great range, fire power and visibility - strikes
fear
into the enemy. They tend to get heavy with 40 round clips, but nothing
beats the feel of an old friend pressed against your shoulder and cheek,
the
smell of powder, the ring in the ears and of course the toasty warm
barrel
with the odor of gun oil and solvents!

I personal recommend an HK 91, or a Springfield Armory M1A or M-14. With
40
rounds you are bound to hit something! Hoo-yah! Ah-men!!!


Waste of ammo. For close work, the Browning 9mm is good. I'm a Colt
.45 man, myself. The HK 91 is good, but the M1 or M14 are too heavy.
I don't favor an automatic rifle for close work. I prefer a pistol.
An advantage of a pistol is that it leaves you one hand free for
looting.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

i think a shotgun is a pretty good choice. lots of choice in ammo selection.
i have an old street sweeper i keep on board. loaded with my favorite
homemade shells. very effective on tissue. also keep a 45. agree with crantz
on the 9mm. once shot an asshole 3 times with one. when they peeled his
clothes off at the hospital, one of the slugs fell on the floor. guy was
wearing a winter coat. last time i ever carried a 9. conditions on a boat
arent that great for accuracy long range. dont think a rifle would do you
much good. better to use close range stuff. hard to miss with a short
shotgun. wear a flack jacket. wont keep you from getting hit, but will buy
you a little time. flash bangs work well if you know where to get them. i
love the spray and pray guys. while shooting wildly with your 40 round clip,
someone with some training will install a 3rd eye in your ****ing head. best
thing to do is try to avoid the situation. if you cant, keep your cool and
kill everything you see. if youre good, and a little lucky, thats enough.
kind of new to sailing, but weapons and mayhem are something i know a little
bit about.

one more thing. there is no magic gun or bullet. carry what you can shoot. a
22 between the eyes is far better than a clean miss with a 44 mag.

I like my 1911. The .45 has tremendous stopping power. I would not
trust my life to someone trying to board my boat. I am gearing up for
an around the world sail in a few years and have thought this over.
Remember ammo is cheap, life isn't.


Ironhorse, HSB#96, SENS BS
2001 Ultraclassic with Sidecar
96 Custom bucket of bolts (gone but not forgotten)

1911 is my personal carry piece also. hit hard, dont screw up if you keep em
clean. and ironhorse, it may surprise you to know just how cheap life really
is in some places. hope you never find out. fair winds

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:02:06 -0800, "jds" wrote:

i think a shotgun is a pretty good choice. lots of choice in ammo selection.
i have an old street sweeper i keep on board. loaded with my favorite
homemade shells. very effective on tissue. also keep a 45. agree with crantz
on the 9mm. once shot an asshole 3 times with one. when they peeled his
clothes off at the hospital, one of the slugs fell on the floor. guy was
wearing a winter coat. last time i ever carried a 9. conditions on a boat
arent that great for accuracy long range. dont think a rifle would do you
much good. better to use close range stuff. hard to miss with a short
shotgun. wear a flack jacket. wont keep you from getting hit, but will buy
you a little time. flash bangs work well if you know where to get them. i
love the spray and pray guys. while shooting wildly with your 40 round clip,
someone with some training will install a 3rd eye in your ****ing head. best
thing to do is try to avoid the situation. if you cant, keep your cool and
kill everything you see. if youre good, and a little lucky, thats enough.
kind of new to sailing, but weapons and mayhem are something i know a little
bit about.

one more thing. there is no magic gun or bullet. carry what you can shoot. a
22 between the eyes is far better than a clean miss with a 44 mag.

I like my 1911. The .45 has tremendous stopping power. I would not
trust my life to someone trying to board my boat. I am gearing up for
an around the world sail in a few years and have thought this over.
Remember ammo is cheap, life isn't.


Ironhorse, HSB#96, SENS BS
2001 Ultraclassic with Sidecar
96 Custom bucket of bolts (gone but not forgotten)

Excellent input from jds and Ironhorse. It's great to have people with real
experience to contribute. Keep up the good work!

Amen !

Bob Crantz

"Ironhorse" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:02:06 -0800, "jds" wrote:

i think a shotgun is a pretty good choice. lots of choice in ammo
selection.
i have an old street sweeper i keep on board. loaded with my favorite
homemade shells. very effective on tissue. also keep a 45. agree with
crantz
on the 9mm. once shot an asshole 3 times with one. when they peeled his
clothes off at the hospital, one of the slugs fell on the floor. guy was
wearing a winter coat. last time i ever carried a 9. conditions on a boat
arent that great for accuracy long range. dont think a rifle would do you
much good. better to use close range stuff. hard to miss with a short
shotgun. wear a flack jacket. wont keep you from getting hit, but will
buy
you a little time. flash bangs work well if you know where to get them. i
love the spray and pray guys. while shooting wildly with your 40 round
clip,
someone with some training will install a 3rd eye in your ****ing head.
best
thing to do is try to avoid the situation. if you cant, keep your cool
and
kill everything you see. if youre good, and a little lucky, thats enough.
kind of new to sailing, but weapons and mayhem are something i know a
little
bit about.

one more thing. there is no magic gun or bullet. carry what you can
shoot. a
22 between the eyes is far better than a clean miss with a 44 mag.

I like my 1911. The .45 has tremendous stopping power. I would not
trust my life to someone trying to board my boat. I am gearing up for
an around the world sail in a few years and have thought this over.
Remember ammo is cheap, life isn't.


Ironhorse, HSB#96, SENS BS
2001 Ultraclassic with Sidecar
96 Custom bucket of bolts (gone but not forgotten)

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:04:29 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Why is it when normal folk mention guns, the paranoid anti-gun nuts
ask why one ''needs'' a gun? Aren't we allowed to own things unless
they're absolutely ''needed''? Why do you need a computer? Do you
''NEED'' a sailboat?


Just ask the whacko liberals if they NEED a health-care plan.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:25:34 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote this crap:

Good point. One hand free allows one to re ignite their cigar should it go
out for some reason. The 9 mm is an enemic round, suitable for use by women.
Try the 41 mag. Make certain you practice quite a bit.


41 Mag? Sounds pussy. And a waste of money. I prefer a 45, but I
also like to carry a .357 Python for a backup.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:27:11 -0800, Ironhorse
wrote this crap:


I like my 1911.


Now yer talking.


The .45 has tremendous stopping power. I would not
trust my life to someone trying to board my boat. I am gearing up for
an around the world sail in a few years and have thought this over.
Remember ammo is cheap, life isn't.


Right! I carry a Gold Cup 45. I like the 230 grain ball ammo,
military issue, but I have some 170 hollow point bullets, that I've
never shot anyone with. If anyone tries to board my boat, I'll let
you know what kind of stopping power it has.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

ironhorse: i carry a lightweight commander. berthside piece is a 1911. good
choice. however, you may be surprised to find out how cheap life really is
in some areas

horvath: dont use ball or the 170 grain bullets. too lite. 45s are best with
a heavy bullet. muzzle velocity too slow. get some federal "hydra shock" 230
grain hollow points. very effective. inside close range work , get something
frangible. devastating on tissue, wont go through a wall and kill your kids
or neighbors. or a hull for that matter. fire at least 100 of them, any feed
problems, polish the ramp open up the ejection port. isnt worth 2 ****s if
it jams.

I have a 1943 Colt 1911 however is still in original military issue box
wrapped in original wax paper. It's never been fired. For carry it's a
Colt pocket pony.

My favorate all around for the boat is a AR-15 carbine shorty with 4
point stock.
A lend lease American made British issue 303 in my sink em gun.

Joe

Joe wrote in message
ups.com...
A lend lease American made British issue 303 in my sink em gun.

Don't they take rather a long time to sink after you have holed them with
that?

Not if you start hitting them at a thousand yards with every 4th round
for the wheelhouse or helm station, and keep it up until they are
within carbine penetration range. 20 rounds a min.. and if your running
you will have plenty of time to either sink or provide enough carniage
to convince them to prey on lesser game.

Offshore ballon popping at 500 yards is one of our funnest ways to pass
time and hone our shooting skills.

Joe

What would YOU know about coastal cruising?

CN


"katysails" wrote in message ...
Wouldn't know, since I'm not a parnoid anti-gun nut...and since we own a ton
of the things...I just think there's a place and time for everything and
coastal cruising in US waters is not the palce...

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:33:02 -0800, "jds" wrote:


I like my 1911. The .45 has tremendous stopping power. I would not
trust my life to someone trying to board my boat. I am gearing up for
an around the world sail in a few years and have thought this over.
Remember ammo is cheap, life isn't.


Ironhorse, HSB#96, SENS BS
2001 Ultraclassic with Sidecar
96 Custom bucket of bolts (gone but not forgotten)

1911 is my personal carry piece also. hit hard, dont screw up if you keep em
clean. and ironhorse, it may surprise you to know just how cheap life really
is in some places. hope you never find out. fair winds

What makes you think I don't already know? 20 year US Army veteran
here. I have fired weapons in anger in two wars.


Ironhorse, HSB#96, SENS BS
2001 Ultraclassic with Sidecar
96 Custom bucket of bolts (gone but not forgotten)

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:21:55 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:07:24 -0500, Horvath
scribbled thusly:
41 Mag? Sounds pussy. And a waste of money. I prefer a 45, but I
also like to carry a .357 Python for a backup.

and I thought that was a gun in your pocket ;-)

Hang on......backup?
You mean you carry a rubber dick in case the real one doesn't
function?


Doesn't everyone? It's whatever it takes to satisfy the ladies.

But weren't we talking about weapons? not pleasure-poles?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:55:08 -0800, "jds" wrote
this crap:

ironhorse: i carry a lightweight commander. berthside piece is a 1911. good
choice. however, you may be surprised to find out how cheap life really is
in some areas

horvath: dont use ball or the 170 grain bullets. too lite. 45s are best with
a heavy bullet. muzzle velocity too slow. get some federal "hydra shock" 230
grain hollow points. very effective. inside close range work , get something
frangible. devastating on tissue, wont go through a wall and kill your kids
or neighbors. or a hull for that matter. fire at least 100 of them, any feed
problems, polish the ramp open up the ejection port. isnt worth 2 ****s if
it jams.



Mine never jams. It's a Gold Cup. I have no kids, and the neighbors
are too far away.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On 23 Jan 2005 07:30:51 -0800, "Joe" wrote
this crap:

I have a 1943 Colt 1911 however is still in original military issue box
wrapped in original wax paper. It's never been fired.


Now there's a waste.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath wrote:
On 23 Jan 2005 07:30:51 -0800, "Joe" wrote
this crap:

I have a 1943 Colt 1911 however is still in original military issue
box
wrapped in original wax paper. It's never been fired.


Now there's a waste.

Just like your lame comic books are a waste

Joe







Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On 23 Jan 2005 16:46:54 -0800, "Joe" wrote
this crap:


Horvath wrote:
On 23 Jan 2005 07:30:51 -0800, "Joe" wrote
this crap:

I have a 1943 Colt 1911 however is still in original military issue
box
wrapped in original wax paper. It's never been fired.


Now there's a waste.

Just like your lame comic books are a waste


Action Comics #1 is a waste?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Miss Mo'Lissa" wrote

Why would you need a gun for yachting?



For robbing wealthy power boaters, shooting endangered species (eg, wealthy
sailboaters), rapeing and pillaging, etc. ??

Horvath wrote:
On 23 Jan 2005 16:46:54 -0800, "Joe" wrote
this crap:


Horvath wrote:
On 23 Jan 2005 07:30:51 -0800, "Joe"
wrote
this crap:

I have a 1943 Colt 1911 however is still in original military
issue
box
wrapped in original wax paper. It's never been fired.


Now there's a waste.

Just like your lame comic books are a waste


Action Comics #1 is a waste?


It would be if it was extremely worn, torn, pages covered in crayons
ect. Stop soundong like an idiot. You know condition is everything to
the collector, and condition sets value. Nothing's value is better than
MIB,never used. I bought the pistol in 85 and it's value has more than
doubled, Oh and in the box is the original surplus receipt, in 1949 the
pistol cost 25 dollars. The old man I bought it from also has a
Thompson MIB but I could not afford it at the time.

Joe







Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On 24 Jan 2005 06:37:27 -0800, "Joe" wrote
this crap:


Just like your lame comic books are a waste


Action Comics #1 is a waste?


It would be if it was extremely worn, torn, pages covered in crayons
ect. Stop soundong like an idiot. You know condition is everything to
the collector, and condition sets value.


It's a little dusty, but it's in excellant condition. No torn pages,
or crayon marks.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 24 Jan 2005 06:37:27 -0800, "Joe" wrote
this crap:


Just like your lame comic books are a waste


Action Comics #1 is a waste?


It would be if it was extremely worn, torn, pages covered in
crayons
ect. Stop soundong like an idiot. You know condition is everything
to
the collector, and condition sets value.


It's a little dusty, but it's in excellant condition. No torn
pages,
or crayon marks.

Any sticky pages?

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:42:18 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

to
the collector, and condition sets value.


It's a little dusty, but it's in excellant condition. No torn
pages,
or crayon marks.

Any sticky pages?


Only the part where Lois Lane ..... never mind.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote

Any sticky pages?


Only the part where Jimmy & Mr. White ..... never mind.