On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:02:06 -0800, "jds" wrote:

i think a shotgun is a pretty good choice. lots of choice in ammo selection.
i have an old street sweeper i keep on board. loaded with my favorite
homemade shells. very effective on tissue. also keep a 45. agree with crantz
on the 9mm. once shot an asshole 3 times with one. when they peeled his
clothes off at the hospital, one of the slugs fell on the floor. guy was
wearing a winter coat. last time i ever carried a 9. conditions on a boat
arent that great for accuracy long range. dont think a rifle would do you
much good. better to use close range stuff. hard to miss with a short
shotgun. wear a flack jacket. wont keep you from getting hit, but will buy
you a little time. flash bangs work well if you know where to get them. i
love the spray and pray guys. while shooting wildly with your 40 round clip,
someone with some training will install a 3rd eye in your ****ing head. best
thing to do is try to avoid the situation. if you cant, keep your cool and
kill everything you see. if youre good, and a little lucky, thats enough.
kind of new to sailing, but weapons and mayhem are something i know a little
bit about.

one more thing. there is no magic gun or bullet. carry what you can shoot. a
22 between the eyes is far better than a clean miss with a 44 mag.

I like my 1911. The .45 has tremendous stopping power. I would not
trust my life to someone trying to board my boat. I am gearing up for
an around the world sail in a few years and have thought this over.
Remember ammo is cheap, life isn't.


Ironhorse, HSB#96, SENS BS
2001 Ultraclassic with Sidecar
96 Custom bucket of bolts (gone but not forgotten)

Excellent input from jds and Ironhorse. It's great to have people with real
experience to contribute. Keep up the good work!

Amen !

Bob Crantz

"Ironhorse" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:02:06 -0800, "jds" wrote:

i think a shotgun is a pretty good choice. lots of choice in ammo
selection.
i have an old street sweeper i keep on board. loaded with my favorite
homemade shells. very effective on tissue. also keep a 45. agree with
crantz
on the 9mm. once shot an asshole 3 times with one. when they peeled his
clothes off at the hospital, one of the slugs fell on the floor. guy was
wearing a winter coat. last time i ever carried a 9. conditions on a boat
arent that great for accuracy long range. dont think a rifle would do you
much good. better to use close range stuff. hard to miss with a short
shotgun. wear a flack jacket. wont keep you from getting hit, but will
buy
you a little time. flash bangs work well if you know where to get them. i
love the spray and pray guys. while shooting wildly with your 40 round
clip,
someone with some training will install a 3rd eye in your ****ing head.
best
thing to do is try to avoid the situation. if you cant, keep your cool
and
kill everything you see. if youre good, and a little lucky, thats enough.
kind of new to sailing, but weapons and mayhem are something i know a
little
bit about.

one more thing. there is no magic gun or bullet. carry what you can
shoot. a
22 between the eyes is far better than a clean miss with a 44 mag.

I like my 1911. The .45 has tremendous stopping power. I would not
trust my life to someone trying to board my boat. I am gearing up for
an around the world sail in a few years and have thought this over.
Remember ammo is cheap, life isn't.


Ironhorse, HSB#96, SENS BS
2001 Ultraclassic with Sidecar
96 Custom bucket of bolts (gone but not forgotten)

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:27:11 -0800, Ironhorse
wrote this crap:


I like my 1911.


Now yer talking.


The .45 has tremendous stopping power. I would not
trust my life to someone trying to board my boat. I am gearing up for
an around the world sail in a few years and have thought this over.
Remember ammo is cheap, life isn't.


Right! I carry a Gold Cup 45. I like the 230 grain ball ammo,
military issue, but I have some 170 hollow point bullets, that I've
never shot anyone with. If anyone tries to board my boat, I'll let
you know what kind of stopping power it has.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

ironhorse: i carry a lightweight commander. berthside piece is a 1911. good
choice. however, you may be surprised to find out how cheap life really is
in some areas

horvath: dont use ball or the 170 grain bullets. too lite. 45s are best with
a heavy bullet. muzzle velocity too slow. get some federal "hydra shock" 230
grain hollow points. very effective. inside close range work , get something
frangible. devastating on tissue, wont go through a wall and kill your kids
or neighbors. or a hull for that matter. fire at least 100 of them, any feed
problems, polish the ramp open up the ejection port. isnt worth 2 ****s if
it jams.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:55:08 -0800, "jds" wrote
this crap:

ironhorse: i carry a lightweight commander. berthside piece is a 1911. good
choice. however, you may be surprised to find out how cheap life really is
in some areas

horvath: dont use ball or the 170 grain bullets. too lite. 45s are best with
a heavy bullet. muzzle velocity too slow. get some federal "hydra shock" 230
grain hollow points. very effective. inside close range work , get something
frangible. devastating on tissue, wont go through a wall and kill your kids
or neighbors. or a hull for that matter. fire at least 100 of them, any feed
problems, polish the ramp open up the ejection port. isnt worth 2 ****s if
it jams.



Mine never jams. It's a Gold Cup. I have no kids, and the neighbors
are too far away.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

I like my 1911. The .45 has tremendous stopping power. I would not
trust my life to someone trying to board my boat. I am gearing up for
an around the world sail in a few years and have thought this over.
Remember ammo is cheap, life isn't.


Ironhorse, HSB#96, SENS BS
2001 Ultraclassic with Sidecar
96 Custom bucket of bolts (gone but not forgotten)

1911 is my personal carry piece also. hit hard, dont screw up if you keep em
clean. and ironhorse, it may surprise you to know just how cheap life really
is in some places. hope you never find out. fair winds

I have a 1943 Colt 1911 however is still in original military issue box
wrapped in original wax paper. It's never been fired. For carry it's a
Colt pocket pony.

My favorate all around for the boat is a AR-15 carbine shorty with 4
point stock.
A lend lease American made British issue 303 in my sink em gun.

Joe

Joe wrote in message
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A lend lease American made British issue 303 in my sink em gun.

Don't they take rather a long time to sink after you have holed them with
that?

Not if you start hitting them at a thousand yards with every 4th round
for the wheelhouse or helm station, and keep it up until they are
within carbine penetration range. 20 rounds a min.. and if your running
you will have plenty of time to either sink or provide enough carniage
to convince them to prey on lesser game.

Offshore ballon popping at 500 yards is one of our funnest ways to pass
time and hone our shooting skills.

Joe

On 23 Jan 2005 07:30:51 -0800, "Joe" wrote
this crap:

I have a 1943 Colt 1911 however is still in original military issue box
wrapped in original wax paper. It's never been fired.


Now there's a waste.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!