Is Ypsilanti still in Michigan? Because I just delivered a few
million worth of machinery to GM for their new plant there.

Scotty


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish
lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a
mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both
he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the
need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms
of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a
thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in
your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier
1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to
do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

Got news for you Joe...HR are the decision makers in many companies...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier 1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

Just keep telling yourself these things, Neal..maybe you'll believe yourself
one day...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Nope....there's no argument at all that my boat would sail circles around


Maybe with Mr. Nav at the helm it would, but if you were in charge
your sorry French fry would languish in the straits of ineptitude. Face it
Katy, a sailor you are not. Even a Coronado 27 on autopilot would leave
your French froufrou in its bubbling wake.

CN

Yeah...I was born there....look at the whole manufacturing picture in MI
Scotty, not at isolated areas or events...industry in MI has taken a majorly
major dump....

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Is Ypsilanti still in Michigan? Because I just delivered a few
million worth of machinery to GM for their new plant there.

Scotty


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish
lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a
mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both
he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the
need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms
of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a
thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in
your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier
1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to
do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Yeah...I was born there....look at the whole manufacturing picture
in MI
Scotty, not at isolated areas or events...industry in MI has taken a
majorly
major dump....

I only know what goes on in my small world.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

katysails wrote:
Got news for you Joe...HR are the decision makers in many
companies...


Bullfeathers! HR people are gate keepers and they may recommend things,
they are middlemen/women, but they are not the decision makers.

Glorified paper pushers and shufflers. How many HR people help make
anything that a company makes to make money? Most do not have a clue
when it comes to research and development, design, mfg, production.
They just read off a sheet of paper and try to match red ones with red
ones, and blue ones with blue one and have no clue as to the real
skills involved or how to judge those skills. I've been a recruiter for
over 10 years now and avoid HR like the plague. HR's sole function is
to shuffle paper that the decision makers must sign off on IMO. They
arrange interviews for the decision makers, travel for the people to be
interviewed, and pass out benefit information.

The only place a HR person may be a decision maker that matters, is
with a company that has nothing to sell but human services. And Ive
never worked for that type of company.

There may be a few exceptions out there but I haven't meet them yet.

Joe







"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish
lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a
mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both
he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the
need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms
of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a
thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot
themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in
your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier
1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to
do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

"katysails" wrote

....look at the whole manufacturing picture in MI
Scotty, not at isolated areas or events...industry in MI has taken a majorly
major dump....

So what! Just tell them to get a majorly bigger cedar bucket . . .

CN

Right you are, Joe. The proof is HR is the one department
of most companies that can be outsourced with greater
efficiency and profitability than when in-house.

CN


"Joe" wrote in message ups.com...

katysails wrote:
Got news for you Joe...HR are the decision makers in many
companies...


Bullfeathers! HR people are gate keepers and they may recommend things,
they are middlemen/women, but they are not the decision makers.

Glorified paper pushers and shufflers. How many HR people help make
anything that a company makes to make money? Most do not have a clue
when it comes to research and development, design, mfg, production.
They just read off a sheet of paper and try to match red ones with red
ones, and blue ones with blue one and have no clue as to the real
skills involved or how to judge those skills. I've been a recruiter for
over 10 years now and avoid HR like the plague. HR's sole function is
to shuffle paper that the decision makers must sign off on IMO. They
arrange interviews for the decision makers, travel for the people to be
interviewed, and pass out benefit information.

The only place a HR person may be a decision maker that matters, is
with a company that has nothing to sell but human services. And Ive
never worked for that type of company.

There may be a few exceptions out there but I haven't meet them yet.

Joe

"Capt. Neal®" wrote

....look at the whole manufacturing picture in MI
Scotty, not at isolated areas or events...industry in MI has taken
a majorly
major dump....

So what! Just tell them to get a majorly bigger cedar bucket . . .

Michigan is often described as ''the cedar bucket of the mid-west''.

Scotty

Scott Vernon wrote:
OzOne wrote in message
...
On 17 Jan 2005 17:48:28 -0800, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:

For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot
themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

That doesn't warrant comment Joe.


And why not OZ. Not that its any biz of yous down under eh?

It's not the line workers fault, it's the mob bosses/ union leaders
that drove wages to a level were companies could not make a profit. Why
pay US workers 39 dollars an hour when mexicans will do the same for 2
bucks an hour. At a certian point companies have no choice but to move
mfg. They can save in 6.mo the total cost of freighting a whole company
and shipping it overseas.


Then why did you?

Most likely he a Ozzy union man.

Joe



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