"JG" wrote in message
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I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
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I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
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I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms are in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

I see what you mean. Each electron orbit is a closed circuit.
Does emf play some role in propelling an electron through its orbit?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote
The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But
that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms are
in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

What a behind-the-times bunch of Putzes!

It has been proven electrons don't have an orbit. According to
quantum mechanics, electrons only have probability of filling those
areas around the core of an atom where the wave component of
the electron can exist without canceling itself out.

I hope this helps.

CN


"Scout" wrote in message ...
I see what you mean. Each electron orbit is a closed circuit.
Does emf play some role in propelling an electron through its orbit?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote
The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But
that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms are
in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

but isn't Bob's point that the electron is moving, and in doing so must have
a path, and hence, by definition, is electrical current?
Scout

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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What a behind-the-times bunch of Putzes!

It has been proven electrons don't have an orbit. According to
quantum mechanics, electrons only have probability of filling those
areas around the core of an atom where the wave component of
the electron can exist without canceling itself out.

I hope this helps.

CN


"Scout" wrote in message
...
I see what you mean. Each electron orbit is a closed circuit.
Does emf play some role in propelling an electron through its orbit?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote
The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But
that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms
are
in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe
their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue.
More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands
people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

The E and H field of an orbiting, non radiating electron are in phase
quadrature. When an electron spins on its own axis, it creates a magnetic
field.
Interestingly, a discovery by Faraday, shows that a moving charged
dielectric creates a magnetic field.
Another item of interest is Farady's unipolar generator where there is no
relative motion between the conductor and magnet and current is produced.
These type of generators are used to generate high currents.
Falling water droplets can generate very high voltages, as discovered by
Lord Kelvin (Kelvin electrostatic generator).

Amen!

Bob Crantz


"Scout" wrote in message
...
I see what you mean. Each electron orbit is a closed circuit.
Does emf play some role in propelling an electron through its orbit?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote
The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But
that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms are
in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

I have a home made Kelvin electrostatic generator!
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
hlink.net...
The E and H field of an orbiting, non radiating electron are in phase
quadrature. When an electron spins on its own axis, it creates a magnetic
field.
Interestingly, a discovery by Faraday, shows that a moving charged
dielectric creates a magnetic field.
Another item of interest is Farady's unipolar generator where there is no
relative motion between the conductor and magnet and current is produced.
These type of generators are used to generate high currents.
Falling water droplets can generate very high voltages, as discovered by
Lord Kelvin (Kelvin electrostatic generator).

Amen!

Bob Crantz


"Scout" wrote in message
...
I see what you mean. Each electron orbit is a closed circuit.
Does emf play some role in propelling an electron through its orbit?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote
The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But
that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms
are
in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe
their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue.
More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands
people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

Here's a reference from a company that produces permanent magnets. They
explain the cause of magnetism in the permanent magnet:

http://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/mtc/pm_manual_chap_1.htm

"Magnetic fields from permanent magnets arise from two atomic sources: the
spin and orbital motions of electrons. Therefore, the magnetic
characteristics of a material may change as a function of alloying with
other elements. For example, a non-magnetic material such as aluminum can
become magnetic in materials such as alnico or manganese-aluminum-carbon. It
may also change from mechanical working or any other stress to the crystal
lattice."

The orbital motion as well as the spin are regarded as electrical currents.
By definition I= dQ/dt (the current is equal to the change in charge with
regard to time at a specific location). If a charge moves, it is current, it
is electricity. For example, solar flares are huge charge ejections that
create magnetic fields with no conductor involved.

Remember the electric and magnetic field of the sun is so small it can't
possibly knock out satellites, let alone affect power grids here on earth!

The gravitational field follows the same decay rate as the electric field
from a charged sphere. Hence, the gravitational field of the sun or moon is
so weak it can't affect us here on earth!

Sunlight is so weak in field strength (it's an electromagnetic wave too) it
can't possible cause cancer!

Amen!

Bob Crantz



"Scout" wrote in message
...
I see what you mean. Each electron orbit is a closed circuit.
Does emf play some role in propelling an electron through its orbit?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote
The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But
that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms are
in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout