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The silliest thing I've seen in a while
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Talk about having no lateral stability. Look at the keel and note how it is only about two or three feet in width. It must track like a squirrelly race boat. Then notice the inefficient end plates that fail to take into account the fact that having them commence at the leading edge of the rudder is causing more drag then if they were placed toward the aft side of the keel. Funny how some people seem to think they can guess better than an engineer can design. CN |
Ok CN,
I'll play with you for a little bit. By the way' what the hell are you doing up this late or early in the morning? Having trouble with that "Tin Can" cabin heater already? Anyway, I seem to remember a boat with a very similar 'funny looking' keel was the first boat to end a 150 year reign of American Cup domination. Those aren't end plates, Dopey! There Wings. Look at their shape again and try to figure the action of a Wing Keel. I'm going to bed now. So, you'll have time to think about the action of a "Wing Keel" Also, think about the comparison of the Entry of my boat and the Bulbous, knuckle shape bow and leading blunt edge of that forward placed Keel on your Tub, Then we'll talk about helm action. Good nite Salty ( make believe) I'll read your reply in the AM Ole Thom |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
Funny how some people seem to think they can guess better than an engineer can design. Bwahahahahahah Add that gem to the list of Nealisms. Makes Jax look positively erudite. Rick |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Then notice the inefficient end plates that fail to take into account the fact that having them commence at the leading edge of the rudder is causing more drag then if they were placed toward the aft side of the keel. It's a picture of the keel...... those are wings. CM |
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Ok CN, I'll play with you for a little bit. By the way' what the hell are you doing up this late or early in the morning? Having trouble with that "Tin Can" cabin heater already? The cabin heater is working fine. To tell you the truth I was up waiting for a call from someone even hotter than my famous cabin heater - Lady Pilot to be exact. Don't tell Moroon though or he might get jealous. Anyway, I seem to remember a boat with a very similar 'funny looking' keel was the first boat to end a 150 year reign of American Cup domination. On a race boat such a keel is de rigeur but on a pilot house cruising boat it is out of place. It compares to putting some of those old Cadillac tail fins on a modern-day Corvette. Those aren't end plates, Dopey! There Wings. Look at their shape again and try to figure the action of a Wing Keel. Wings??? Sorry old chap, but they function as end plates to control the vortex. Even when they are installed on a 747 they are called end plates. (or some call them winglets.) I'm going to bed now. So, you'll have time to think about the action of a "Wing Keel" Also, think about the comparison of the Entry of my boat and the Bulbous, knuckle shape bow and leading blunt edge of that forward placed Keel on your Tub, Then we'll talk about helm action. Dopey! Think about what a shark or a porpoise - some of the fastest animals in the water looks like. It is bulbous and it goes quite fast. The fiction about slim being better at sea is just that fiction. Ever look beneath the water on an oceangoing ship. Most likely you will see a bulbous looking thing. If a sharp entry was so great they would not bother with the bulb. Savvy kimosabe? CN |
I think you hit the nail on the head Thom.....
Your Pilot house is well suited for your area. The vessel looks good with it and it extends your sailing season. Only a limp wristed tropical sailor without experience of sailing in the colder latitudes and thusly with self imposed limitations as to where he can venture would ever cast doubt as to the functionality of a Pilot House on such a fine vessel. Let's face it... he can't even differentiate between your keel and rudder yet. I think it smacks of pure jealousy... on Neal's part. I'm certain that Cut The Mustard would be a fine dinghy for your vessel. :-) CM "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Hey CN, I'm up and a Very Good Morning to you and the ASA, from the NW Thought I'd start the day off with a picture of the Pilothouse in her Slip. I think she is a beauty but she's mine and that is a slanted view. Likes get some comments from the group. Did you have a chance yet to figure out how a "Wing Keel" functions? I'll give you some time to work out your answer. In the meantime, I'd like to state that I have as much stability and less leeway than "Cut the Mustard" due to the depth of "Pneuma's" keel Also less heel, giving me more effective sail area Again, Good Morning Ole Thom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Wings are on birds and airplanes. On a sailboat keel those appendages are end plates. Just because some stupid magazine writer calls them wings does not make it so. CN "Overproof" wrote in message news:IMXwd.2822$nN6.143@edtnps84... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Then notice the inefficient end plates that fail to take into account the fact that having them commence at the leading edge of the rudder is causing more drag then if they were placed toward the aft side of the keel. It's a picture of the keel...... those are wings. CM |
CN,
You've given some REALLY Supid reasoning but I guess we can blame the source. CN, take your own example; THE SHARK;--- You sound like you never seen one! Their frontal profile is pointed. POINTED. Its mouth and teeth aren't in the way |
They come to a point, yes, a bulbous point. Look at your typical
submarine, dear sir, is there a point or a nice bulbous shape? Look at most any jet airplane and note the nose does not come to a point. Look at the space shuttle. Do you see any points there? I suppose it's too much to ask that anyone here really understand hydrodynamics but at least try. To get a fat object like a sailboat through the water efficiently you've got to consider a couple of things. One is wetted surface. You can have less wetted surface with a bulb (a sphere is the shape with minimum surface area vs. volume) than with some long drawn out point. That is a simple fact. It follows with a ballast keel that a bulb is the most efficient shape as far as hydrodynamics and containing the volume necessary is concerned. You want the weight low because it's ballast. You want hydrodynamic efficiency - you want a bulb for a cruiser. Granted, a long, deep skinny keel is best for a racer but they are not constrained by draft like a cruiser is. Do you own a racer or a cruiser. Answer that question before you screw up a cruiser chasing racer dreams. CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... CN, You've given some REALLY Supid reasoning but I guess we can blame the source. CN, take your own example; THE SHARK;--- You sound like you never seen one! Their frontal profile is pointed. POINTED. Its mouth and teeth aren't in the way |
Take a look at the AM Cup Racers.... do you see a bulbous nose on
any???....NO! Do birds have really big heads.... no Does a fine entry provide less friction... Yes! CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... They come to a point, yes, a bulbous point. Look at your typical submarine, dear sir, is there a point or a nice bulbous shape? Look at most any jet airplane and note the nose does not come to a point. Look at the space shuttle. Do you see any points there? I suppose it's too much to ask that anyone here really understand hydrodynamics but at least try. To get a fat object like a sailboat through the water efficiently you've got to consider a couple of things. One is wetted surface. You can have less wetted surface with a bulb (a sphere is the shape with minimum surface area vs. volume) than with some long drawn out point. That is a simple fact. It follows with a ballast keel that a bulb is the most efficient shape as far as hydrodynamics and containing the volume necessary is concerned. You want the weight low because it's ballast. You want hydrodynamic efficiency - you want a bulb for a cruiser. Granted, a long, deep skinny keel is best for a racer but they are not constrained by draft like a cruiser is. Do you own a racer or a cruiser. Answer that question before you screw up a cruiser chasing racer dreams. CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... CN, You've given some REALLY Supid reasoning but I guess we can blame the source. CN, take your own example; THE SHARK;--- You sound like you never seen one! Their frontal profile is pointed. POINTED. Its mouth and teeth aren't in the way |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... The cabin heater is working fine. To tell you the truth I was up waiting for a call from someone even hotter than my famous cabin heater - Lady Pilot to be exact. Don't tell Moroon though or he might get jealous. So, what time did she finally call? Scotty (Nav will be sooooo jealous) |
"Overproof" wrote in message news:ZK4xd.3733$nN6.144@edtnps84... Take a look at the AM Cup Racers.... do you see a bulbous nose on any???....NO! Thom has a cruiser not an America's Cup racer. Do birds have really big heads.... no Birds operate in the air - boats are in water which is much thicker than air. Does a fine entry provide less friction... Yes! No - friction is also caused by surface area. In the water surface area is more important than in the air unless in the air you are talking supersonic speeds. Wetted surface is a very large cause of drag on a keel or a hull. When you decrease wetted surface you decrease drag. Poor Old Thom added wetted surface to his keel. It looks to me as if he doubled the wetted surface. In doing so he made his boat slower. That's a fact. Live with it. CN "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... They come to a point, yes, a bulbous point. Look at your typical submarine, dear sir, is there a point or a nice bulbous shape? Look at most any jet airplane and note the nose does not come to a point. Look at the space shuttle. Do you see any points there? I suppose it's too much to ask that anyone here really understand hydrodynamics but at least try. To get a fat object like a sailboat through the water efficiently you've got to consider a couple of things. One is wetted surface. You can have less wetted surface with a bulb (a sphere is the shape with minimum surface area vs. volume) than with some long drawn out point. That is a simple fact. It follows with a ballast keel that a bulb is the most efficient shape as far as hydrodynamics and containing the volume necessary is concerned. You want the weight low because it's ballast. You want hydrodynamic efficiency - you want a bulb for a cruiser. Granted, a long, deep skinny keel is best for a racer but they are not constrained by draft like a cruiser is. Do you own a racer or a cruiser. Answer that question before you screw up a cruiser chasing racer dreams. CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... CN, You've given some REALLY Supid reasoning but I guess we can blame the source. CN, take your own example; THE SHARK;--- You sound like you never seen one! Their frontal profile is pointed. POINTED. Its mouth and teeth aren't in the way |
It was a little after Midnight. She was having some trouble with her e-mail
which somehow got messed up in the configuration. She gave me an alternate so we could keep in touch. I used to think she was a sock puppet of some sort. Boy, was I ever wrong. She's a real, all-American conservative woman who thinks like I think. She's intelligent as well - she's just sooooo fine. She's got the cutest Okie accent. She's also very attractive looking. (She sent me a pic or two - don't tell Nav, he'll be bright green with envy.) The very best thing is she will be available soon. I think I'm in love. CN "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... The cabin heater is working fine. To tell you the truth I was up waiting for a call from someone even hotter than my famous cabin heater - Lady Pilot to be exact. Don't tell Moroon though or he might get jealous. So, what time did she finally call? Scotty (Nav will be sooooo jealous) |
OOps, Slipped
Have you ever heard of the "Bottle Nose Dolphin? A Tuna; pointed head By the way CN, Have you never seen "Flying Fish?" If you ever sail offshore in your part of the world, you might even see them on your boat in the mornings. "Cut the Mustard" has as lousy an entry as just about anything short of a scrows bow. You're wrong there as well Now;--- a keel, with WINGS. I say; "With wings!" CN. You really don't have a clue to the pluses of a wing keel do you? Open your Mind. They provide righting force without weight. Anyway you want to figure it. Bernoulle or Newton. Think about it CN. I hope you and I will discuss this in length. This give an upright position on the sails for better sailing, with less trim required. Also, in preventing Leeway, they have it all over your "Short peckered Scheel Keel' When my boat heels my keel goes deeper, because of the Wing pointing down at a location under the Hull. Yours is rotating out of the water and to one side. Tripp was a good enough designer to give you a rather narrow hull to ease the creation of weather helm. This is why he had to increase wetted area. Finally; If you look at the pictures of your boat out of the water and mine, you will notice the positions of the mast to that of the keels. Mine is in front of the Keel. Yours CN is over (above the Keel) I can adjust my Mast, so as to change the effect of the position of the center of effort of my sails to create a neutral helm. With your set-up you can't. That should give enough information for you to figure a way to slant the truth your way. FACTS IS FACTS buddy boy, Basic trim 101. I do believe I have turned this Troll around on you. A good discussion of misconception corrected by and OLD MAN (G) Your move Ole Thom |
CN,
I do believe Bill Tripp designed and the Coranado is describe as a RACER/CRUISER. Would you like to explain that to the Group? Ole Thom |
That was advertising hype back during the old IOR days when they thought they could sell a few extra boats to the racing crowd. It means nothing. CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... CN, I do believe Bill Tripp designed and the Coranado is describe as a RACER/CRUISER. Would you like to explain that to the Group? Ole Thom |
CN,
Yes, I did increase wetted area and yes I probably slowed it down. It was taken into consideration. Now, let's talk about the bulbous nose of the Submarine. The Shape of the Nose was basically for CONTROL! The new power plants on the Subs increase speed so much that the "BOW Plane operators could never compensated for the asymmetries shape of the old hulls BUT my friend the superstructure was made long and pointy and called a sail. They didn't shape it like a ball! The Bulbous Bows on Merchant Ship is something you've prove you haven't a clue about, as pointed out by someone from the group. It is there to create and control the BOW WAVE to stabilize the length the wave for hull speed. Remember the KIWIS tried it with their bolt on bottom and brought the stern wave aboard the hull. We know you have never come to terms with Hull Speed and Wave Conformity but they are related. Hull design 101 (Grin) Ole Thom |
CN,
It mean nothing???? It meant the AC left the shores of good old USA. It meant that as well as many other things. Get real CN. Newport no longer host the AC race. Ole Thom |
CN,
I do believe they still sell the same way and the faster Racer/Cruiser still gets to sell the most boats Ole Thom |
Good Nigth, sweet Dunce. Tomorrow is another day
AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" Still have time out here. Ole Thom |
Thom,
I've answered your questions, with as much patience and civility as I can muster, within the body of your message. Cheers CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... OOps, Slipped Have you ever heard of the "Bottle Nose Dolphin? Of course, we have lots of them around there. They don't come to a sharp point forward. They have this rounded nose that very quickly turns into a bulbous head. A Tuna; pointed head I've seen many a tunny and have not seen any such point. By the way CN, Have you never seen "Flying Fish?" If you ever sail offshore in your part of the world, you might even see them on your boat in the mornings. Seen plenty of flying fish. They are quite numerous offshore in the blue water of the Gulf Stream. "Cut the Mustard" has as lousy an entry as just about anything short of a scrows bow. You're wrong there as well 'Cut the Mustard' has a very standard entry for a cruising vessel - not to fine and not too full. She is somewhere in the middle, perhaps toward the full side of things. Her bow rises easily to the seas which results in a dry ride which is an attribute to which any real cruising vessel should aspire. Leave the fine entry to the racers who don't seem to mind going through waves instead of over them. But, entries and keels are two different things altogether so let's not confuse the novices around here with too many variables. Let's try to stick to the subject which is keel form. Now;--- a keel, with WINGS. I say; "With wings!" CN. You really don't have a clue to the pluses of a wing keel do you? I am totally versed in the subject of wings. Wings as in aircraft wings, bird wings and even bat wings. I know all about what makes them work and what shape they need to be for different applications. Your entire keel can be considered a wing. Those silly little appendages on the end (end plates) are not wings any more than the wing tip feathers on a hawk or eagle wing are wings. Look at any soaring bird and you will note a splay of five or six feathers on their wing tips. These control the wing tip vortex and break it up into several wing tip vortices which results in increased efficiency because five or six small votices create less drag than one big one. Your silly, little end plates are a layman's attempt to control the keel tip vortex. They are way too small to function as a wing. Your contention is like saying flaps on an aircraft provide enough lift to fly the aircraft. We all know they only serve to change the shape of the wing so at low speeds the stall speed is raised. They do this at the expense of creating greater drag, however. Likewise, your silly little end plates on the bottom of your keel serve mostly to increase drag. They are totally shaped incorrectly to control the votrex to any significant extent and they are way too small to provide any noticable lift. These are the facts. Believe them because they are correct. I know of which I speak on this subject. Open your Mind. They provide righting force without weight. Anyway you want to figure it. Bernoulle or Newton. Think about it CN. I hope you and I will discuss this in length. This give an upright position on the sails for better sailing, with less trim required. C'mon, sir, the only righting force they create is in your mind. Do a vector diagrahm of the forces on your keel and in which direction the lift occurs when your are beating. Try to remember since your keel is symetrical that it is only the angle of attack of the keel that results in any lift being produced at all. You will see these forces are almost parallel to your silly little end plates. The end plates are simply oriented in the wrong direction to even attempt to provide lift even if they were large enough which they are not. Also, in preventing Leeway, they have it all over your "Short peckered Scheel Keel' When my boat heels my keel goes deeper, because of the Wing pointing down at a location under the Hull. Simply not so, sir! Leeway is counteracted by the lift the keel provides due to the angle of attack. The angle of attack goes parallel to your silly little end plates thus they produce NO increase in lift at all. They only create more drag because of the wetted surface. The one thing they do is make the tip vortex wrap a little tighter and somewhat decrease the drag of the vortex. This is call the 'end plate effect'. My Sheel keel shape accomplishes a similar result as your end plates but it does it without adding the extra wetted surface. Consequently, drag is decreased. Yours is rotating out of the water and to one side. Tripp was a good enough designer to give you a rather narrow hull to ease the creation of weather helm. This is why he had to increase wetted area. So is your's rotating. Do you still think those silly little end plates when they are rotated up with the keel are positioned so they actually increase lift? Again, sir, do a vector diagrahm and learn the folly of your thinking. Finally; If you look at the pictures of your boat out of the water and mine, you will notice the positions of the mast to that of the keels. Mine is in front of the Keel. Yours CN is over (above the Keel) I can adjust my Mast, so as to change the effect of the position of the center of effort of my sails to create a neutral helm. With your set-up you can't. Check your eyes, sir. My mast foot is fully two feet forward of the keel's leading edge. Maybe the pictures don't show the true relationship because they are not taken directly amidships. I know this to be a fact because I have marked the position for the lift slings so the forward and aft slings do not become fouled by the keel. As for moving the mast to balance the center of effort and the center of lateral resistance, this is ludicrous. A PROPERLY DESIGNED vessel will have the relationship fixed and her sail plan engineered to accomodate this fixed position. That you mast is movable tells me whomever engineered your vessel didn't know what he was doing so he left an 'out' to correct his suspect design. That should give enough information for you to figure a way to slant the truth your way. FACTS IS FACTS buddy boy, Basic trim 101. I have stated the facts and they contradict your, so-called facts. This tells me that your facts are little more than speculation. I do believe I have turned this Troll around on you. A good discussion of misconception corrected by and OLD MAN (G) Mister, you'd be lucky to turn around a flapjack on your griddle. You've corrected nothing. Rather, you've provided me with a forum to educate those who are woefully ignorant. You, being among them, should thank me for giving you a free education. You're welcome. Capt. Neal |
wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:39:34 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote: It was a little after Midnight. She was having some trouble with her e-mail which somehow got messed up in the configuration. She gave me an alternate so we could keep in touch. I used to think she was a sock puppet of some sort. Boy, was I ever wrong. She's a real, all-American conservative woman who thinks like I think. She's intelligent as well - she's just sooooo fine. She's got the cutest Okie accent. She's also very attractive looking. (She sent me a pic or two - don't tell Nav, he'll be bright green with envy.) The very best thing is she will be available soon. I think I'm in love. CN Break it to your right hand gently. It is going to be devastated after all these years! BB What do you know about it, mister? Sounds to me like a wee bit of jealousy rearing its ugly head. CN |
Overproof wrote in message news:ZK4xd.3733$nN6.144@edtnps84... Take a look at the AM Cup Racers.... do you see a bulbous nose on any???....NO! Do birds have really big heads.... no Owls? |
wrote in message
... On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:12:18 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:39:34 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote: It was a little after Midnight. She was having some trouble with her which somehow got messed up in the configuration. She gave me an alternate so we could keep in touch. I used to think she was a sock puppet of some sort. Boy, was I ever wrong. She's a real, all-American conservative woman who thinks like I think. She's intelligent as well - she's just sooooo fine. She's got the cutest Okie accent. She's also very attractive looking. (She sent me a pic or two - don't tell Nav, he'll be bright green with envy.) The very best thing is she will be available soon. I think I'm in love. CN Break it to your right hand gently. It is going to be devastated after all these years! BB What do you know about it, mister? Sounds to me like a wee bit of jealousy rearing its ugly head. CN I prefer women. I insist on women. g |
So CN,
Do you still think my Wing Keel is the silliest thing you've seen in a while? Do you understand its' function now? Another question; Does a "Fine Entry" mean a clean, cut away Bow with enough buoyance to slice through a chop cleanly and not pound on the other side or as I understand you to say, a bow that rises on the wave to stay dry? I think it is better to stay level rather than pounding. To much forward buoyancy will produce a pounder. Do you agree? I do have a Cruiser. Do you have a problem with a fast cruiser, with a comfortable motion? Ole Thom |
Seriously, I have to wonder where some people got the idea that LP was a dyke? I've seen a picture of her and she is an attractive woman. I've heard her voice and it is all estrogen. Perhaps you, like Nav, are jealous? CN wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:12:18 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:39:34 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote: It was a little after Midnight. She was having some trouble with her e-mail which somehow got messed up in the configuration. She gave me an alternate so we could keep in touch. I used to think she was a sock puppet of some sort. Boy, was I ever wrong. She's a real, all-American conservative woman who thinks like I think. She's intelligent as well - she's just sooooo fine. She's got the cutest Okie accent. She's also very attractive looking. (She sent me a pic or two - don't tell Nav, he'll be bright green with envy.) The very best thing is she will be available soon. I think I'm in love. CN Break it to your right hand gently. It is going to be devastated after all these years! BB What do you know about it, mister? Sounds to me like a wee bit of jealousy rearing its ugly head. CN I prefer women. BB |
Why, you no good, overgrown, alcohol gulping, Nanu of the North, pimply faced, shut-in, wannabe sailor! Ole Thom's pilot house looks better than most because it is not really a pilot house at all. If the man knew anything about boats he would call it a 'raised saloon' cruiser. What's so ludicrous about it is his original keel. It was a radical racing keel on a cruiser. In other words the designer was confused - as confused as the buyer. What Thom's boat amounts to is a state of confusion. Perfect match for the likes of Ole Thom, BTW. And, you are not thinking too clearly of late, yourself. Next thing you, too, will be making up stories about my removing my keel and fitting it back on well forward of it's original position. How ludicrous! Whatever would motivate me to ruin perfection with some lame, half-assed effort? As anyone can see from my website, what I do and what I own in always top-notch. Cut the Mustard sails circles around Overproof! CN "Overproof" wrote in message news:EA2xd.9204$dv1.4864@edtnps89... I think you hit the nail on the head Thom..... Your Pilot house is well suited for your area. The vessel looks good with it and it extends your sailing season. Only a limp wristed tropical sailor without experience of sailing in the colder latitudes and thusly with self imposed limitations as to where he can venture would ever cast doubt as to the functionality of a Pilot House on such a fine vessel. Let's face it... he can't even differentiate between your keel and rudder yet. I think it smacks of pure jealousy... on Neal's part. I'm certain that Cut The Mustard would be a fine dinghy for your vessel. :-) CM "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Hey CN, I'm up and a Very Good Morning to you and the ASA, from the NW Thought I'd start the day off with a picture of the Pilothouse in her Slip. I think she is a beauty but she's mine and that is a slanted view. Likes get some comments from the group. Did you have a chance yet to figure out how a "Wing Keel" functions? I'll give you some time to work out your answer. In the meantime, I'd like to state that I have as much stability and less leeway than "Cut the Mustard" due to the depth of "Pneuma's" keel Also less heel, giving me more effective sail area Again, Good Morning Ole Thom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
The only thing sillier than your modified keel was your
original keel. Your original was a racing appendage stuck on a cruising boat. Just as silly as a farm tractor wheel on a sports car. You did change the keel to more match the intended purpose of your boat with her raised salon design. However, you decreased the efficiency of your keel and you moved the center of resistance aft. Hello, weather helm. As for the little endplates - cosmetic at best and additional drag at worse. Sail a cruiser with a Scheel keel and experience the best compromise yet to be invented for a cruiser. CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... So CN, Do you still think my Wing Keel is the silliest thing you've seen in a while? Do you understand its' function now? Another question; Does a "Fine Entry" mean a clean, cut away Bow with enough buoyance to slice through a chop cleanly and not pound on the other side or as I understand you to say, a bow that rises on the wave to stay dry? I think it is better to stay level rather than pounding. To much forward buoyancy will produce a pounder. Do you agree? I do have a Cruiser. Do you have a problem with a fast cruiser, with a comfortable motion? Ole Thom |
LP is a dyke? Who believes that?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Seriously, I have to wonder where some people got the idea that LP was a dyke? I've seen a picture of her and she is an attractive woman. I've heard her voice and it is all estrogen. Perhaps you, like Nav, are jealous? CN wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:12:18 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote: wrote in message .. . On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:39:34 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote: It was a little after Midnight. She was having some trouble with her which somehow got messed up in the configuration. She gave me an alternate so we could keep in touch. I used to think she was a sock puppet of some sort. Boy, was I ever wrong. She's a real, all-American conservative woman who thinks like I think. She's intelligent as well - she's just sooooo fine. She's got the cutest Okie accent. She's also very attractive looking. (She sent me a pic or two - don't tell Nav, he'll be bright green with envy.) The very best thing is she will be available soon. I think I'm in love. CN Break it to your right hand gently. It is going to be devastated after all these years! BB What do you know about it, mister? Sounds to me like a wee bit of jealousy rearing its ugly head. CN I prefer women. BB |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote: The cabin heater is working fine. To tell you the truth I was up waiting for a call from someone even hotter than my famous cabin heater - Lady Pilot to be exact. Don't tell Moroon though or he might get jealous. Hey now! How much more personal details have you been telling? :-) I don't think Moroon will be jealous...I'm sure he has one or more women tied up somewhere, he won't even notice. lol LP |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote: It was a little after Midnight. She was having some trouble with her which somehow got messed up in the configuration. She gave me an alternate so we could keep in touch. Tsk, tsk! I used to think she was a sock puppet of some sort. Boy, was I ever wrong. She's a real, all-American conservative woman who thinks like I think. She's intelligent as well - she's just sooooo fine. She's got the cutest Okie accent. She's also very attractive looking. (She sent me a pic or two - don't tell Nav, he'll be bright green with envy.) You are hilarious! Should I be flattered or upset? The very best thing is she will be available soon. Yeah, as soon as I get out of this orange jumpsuit behind the bars. hehee I think I'm in love. blush LP |
The Motivation;
Same motivation that caused you to install Galv. Pipe in your Boom; It was broken. :^) Lower priced boats developed leaks around Keel Bolts thru the GRP Bilge. The working of the bolts and nuts narrowed the thickness of the hull. The cheap way to repair ( Like pipe in the broken Boom was to move the keel bolt, after sealing the old holes, to firmer sections of the hull. This caused many of the Coranados to be scraped or sold for give away price. It was a boat that was built to a market price. Many cheap things were done to meet a price. Ole Thom |
CN,
"Pneuma" is a PILOTHOUSE SLOOP. Not a raised saloon cruiser. It is a Pilothouse Sloop with inside helm. A good boat, A fast cruising Pilothouse Sloop/Aux with inboard diesel power. Engine mounted on motor mounts ( not a bolt on wooden outboard bracket) They are a very desirable boat. Rather hard to find on the used boat market. Price used is still rather high. It is the PILOTHOUSE that keeps the price up. So, eat your heart out CN, your "Cut the Mustard" formally "Chinchita" isn't even close to being in the same league with her. Hope the weather brakes for you. My crew was over tonite and we decided to not go out until after the Holidays Ole Thom |
wrote in message ... LP is not a dyke. LP is a MAN. BB Bwahahhahhahhhhaah ah a a a ha ha a ah ha hah ahhahahahhahahahahahah! Not a man! CN |
"Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:ABQxd.19398$F25.12032@okepread07... "Capt. Neal®" wrote:snipped some I used to think she was a sock puppet of some sort. Boy, was I ever wrong. She's a real, all-American conservative woman who thinks like I think. She's intelligent as well - she's just sooooo fine. She's got the cutest Okie accent. She's also very attractive looking. (She sent me a pic or two - don't tell Nav, he'll be bright green with envy.) You are hilarious! Should I be flattered or upset? You should be flattered. It is only the finest things that interest me. Hence, yourself, my Coronado 27, fair winds, smooth seas and a well-seasoned cedar bucket are among the most cherished things in my life. CN |
Ole Thom enlighten ME? Gah! Duh! Sputter! Do you realize what you just said? Ole Thom enlightening me is tantamount to Alfred E. Neuman enlightening Einstein. CN OzOne wrote in message ... Yeah, and now Thom is trying, in vain it seems, to enlighten you. |
A man doesn't disrespect his woman by revealing personal detail.
What I wrote was the truth, Mam, just the truth . . . As for Moroon, the ONLY way that weenie could keep a real woman interested for more than a few minutes would be to get her drunk and lock all the doors. As for me, I prefer what we share - the strongest tie of all - love, real love. CN "Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:qyQxd.19397$F25.1505@okepread07... "Capt. Neal®" wrote: The cabin heater is working fine. To tell you the truth I was up waiting for a call from someone even hotter than my famous cabin heater - Lady Pilot to be exact. Don't tell Moroon though or he might get jealous. Hey now! How much more personal details have you been telling? :-) I don't think Moroon will be jealous...I'm sure he has one or more women tied up somewhere, he won't even notice. lol LP |
You are so full of it sigh read on, please.
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... CN, "Pneuma" is a PILOTHOUSE SLOOP. Not a raised saloon cruiser. It is a Pilothouse Sloop with inside helm. A good boat, A fast cruising Pilothouse Sloop/Aux with inboard diesel power. Engine mounted on motor mounts ( not a bolt on wooden outboard bracket) You will find no outboard bracket on my fine, blue water, raised deck sloop. "Cut the Mustard" is faster and more seaworthy than "Pneuma" even with Bobsprit at the helm. Your inboard diesel is responsible for your hull failure at the keel/hull join. It was all that heavy vibration that turned the hull around the keel bolts to mush. Ever think of that, Ole Boy? They are a very desirable boat. Rather hard to find on the used boat market. Price used is still rather high. It is the PILOTHOUSE that keeps the price up. And the windage up and the center of gravity up and the boom up and the insurance rates up . . . So, eat your heart out CN, your "Cut the Mustard" formally "Chinchita" isn't even close to being in the same league with her. I'm happy to not be in the same league as "Pneuma" who will be 20,000 leagues under the sea should she ever even attempt as many blue water passages as "Cut the Mustard" has under her keel. Hope the weather brakes for you. My crew was over tonite and we decided to not go out until after the Holidays Ole Thom Weather is never an obstacle to sailing "Cut the Mustard". She can handle anything. She's thrives an anything Mother Nature can throw her way. She's seen more hurricanes than all the boats on alt.sailing.asa combined and she keeps getting better. Wishing you and yours as happy a holiday season as possible knowing your boat is just another pretender. CN |
PUTZ! "jetcap" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: Funny how some people seem to think they can guess better than an engineer can design. Bwahahahahahah Add that gem to the list of Nealisms. Makes Jax look positively erudite. Rick |
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