ubject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: (CaptMMA)


snip

Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find
that
amazing.


You shouldn't.
The term is misused/used by many and I doubt you'll find the definition you are
using, written down anywhere.
While I agree with YOUR definition, it is only those within that small
community who are apt to understand/appreciate the narrow scope the definition
implies.

Shen

STOW IT, MISTER!

Master mariner is a title best assumed by those who qualify for it.

If I wish to call myself a master mariner then I shall and it's nobody else's
dadblamed business. No matter the criterion, whether it be time at sea, knowledge
of the sea, knowledge of the COLREGS, or expertise in single-handed sailing,
I have as much or more knowledge than any other individual on the planet.


CN, Master Mariner (if ya don't like it, shove it!)


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
ubject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: (CaptMMA)


snip

Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find
that
amazing.


You shouldn't.
The term is misused/used by many and I doubt you'll find the definition you are
using, written down anywhere.
While I agree with YOUR definition, it is only those within that small
community who are apt to understand/appreciate the narrow scope the definition
implies.

Shen

Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

Joe

that's just what I said. captMMA = Nav

same line of reasoning made by both/either


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

Joe

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner


Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

Joe

ROFL
Joe, as I told Neal, that I don't care if he uses the term as applicable to
himself, I don't really give a rats ass if you believe MMA or myself as to the
definition of the term.
It's been so *******ized in the movies, etc., that in truth, it really has no
meaning to the general public, is just fluff for people like Neal, and really
only has meaning of importance to those who hold unlimited licenses and those
who directly deal with them.
As to proving it to you, I have no interest in trying since I don't consider
your acceptance, pro/con, of my definition important.
Within the community/trade/industry I work in, the term is known and used in
one of two specific ways, related to a specific individual.
Believe me, don't believe me, like it or lump it, I could care less.

Shen

Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

Capt MMA

Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

(Shen44) wrote in
:

ubject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: (CaptMMA)


snip

Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I
find that
amazing.


You shouldn't.
The term is misused/used by many and I doubt you'll find the
definition you are using, written down anywhere.
While I agree with YOUR definition, it is only those within that small
community who are apt to understand/appreciate the narrow scope the
definition implies.

Shen

The title "Master Mariner" is most 'officially used in the various
Merchant MArines around the world. It is also a class of license which
can be granted by the U.S. Coast Guard with tonnage limitations. Further
Lloyds of London mainttains a Master Mariner list composed of Merchant
ship Captains(ships Masters)

The non-meaningful title of Master Mariner can, and is bestowed willy-
nilly by various organizations, fraternaties, clubs and social groups and
outside of their highly restricted realm has no meaning and carries no
significance.

In sum: If I were to found the Benevolent Order of Mudbuggers &
Gunkholers we could bestow the title MAster Mudbugger or Master Mariner
on any we wished.

The caveat is that woe be to the silly jackass who claimed such a rank in
a gathering of true ships masters.
--
Didereaux
"Let bygones be bygones...send a concilliatory PRETZEL to the
Whitehouse!"
"Against stupidity, the very gods themselves contend in vain." -
Friedrich von Schiller
"Ignorant voracity -- a wingless vulture -- can soar only into the depths
of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: Didereaux


The title "Master Mariner" is most 'officially used in the various
Merchant MArines around the world. It is also a class of license which
can be granted by the U.S. Coast Guard with tonnage limitations. Further
Lloyds of London mainttains a Master Mariner list composed of Merchant
ship Captains(ships Masters)

The non-meaningful title of Master Mariner can, and is bestowed willy-
nilly by various organizations, fraternaties, clubs and social groups and
outside of their highly restricted realm has no meaning and carries no
significance.

In sum: If I were to found the Benevolent Order of Mudbuggers &
Gunkholers we could bestow the title MAster Mudbugger or Master Mariner
on any we wished.

The caveat is that woe be to the silly jackass who claimed such a rank in
a gathering of true ships masters.
--
Didereaux

LOL Too true.
The only change I'd make to what you say is that the USCG issues limited Master
licenses, but they do not designate the holder as a Master Mariner...... a
point of terminology.
Alas, you've probably raised the ire of Neal and Joe, so stand-by. BG

Shen

Shen44 wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: Didereaux


The title "Master Mariner" is most 'officially used in the various
Merchant MArines around the world. It is also a class of license which
can be granted by the U.S. Coast Guard with tonnage limitations. Further
Lloyds of London mainttains a Master Mariner list composed of Merchant
ship Captains(ships Masters)

The non-meaningful title of Master Mariner can, and is bestowed willy-
nilly by various organizations, fraternaties, clubs and social groups and
outside of their highly restricted realm has no meaning and carries no
significance.

In sum: If I were to found the Benevolent Order of Mudbuggers &
Gunkholers we could bestow the title MAster Mudbugger or Master Mariner
on any we wished.

The caveat is that woe be to the silly jackass who claimed such a rank in
a gathering of true ships masters.
--
Didereaux


LOL Too true.
The only change I'd make to what you say is that the USCG issues limited Master
licenses, but they do not designate the holder as a Master Mariner...... a
point of terminology.
Alas, you've probably raised the ire of Neal and Joe, so stand-by. BG

Shen


BG
Joe: BG
Neal: ROFLMAO

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