CaptMMA wrote:


Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself
than you
have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask
them about
the term.

Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the
licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up
lubbers term you embraced.

Joe
USMM Master

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"


CaptMMA wrote:


Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself
than you
have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask
them about
the term.

Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the
licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up
lubbers term you embraced.

Joe
USMM Master


Cripes, are you always this dumb or are you practicing for the New Year?

A. NO ONE ever said there is a license that says Master Mariner. A Master
Mariner is someone who HOLDS an unlimited Master license and has sailed in that
capacity on a vessel requiring that license! Now, stop and re-read this, then
think about what it says before you attempt to engage what few brain cells you
may have for reading comprehension.

B. The odds of you having worked with "hundreds of unlimited Masters" are in
the slim to none category, especially since you don't have a clue as to the
term "Master Mariner".

C. As stated, go find some of those "hundreds" you say you worked with and ask
THEM.

D. I've wasted enough time trying to explain this to someone too dumb to listen
or learn. Back to lurking where I can just sit and laugh at the nonsense some
people write.

Capt.

Doesn't this sound like Nav?
Maybe CaptMMA=Nav?



CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"


CaptMMA wrote:


Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself
than you
have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask
them about
the term.

Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the
licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up
lubbers term you embraced.

Joe
USMM Master


Cripes, are you always this dumb or are you practicing for the New
Year?

A. NO ONE ever said there is a license that says Master Mariner. A
Master Mariner is someone who HOLDS an unlimited Master license and
has sailed in that capacity on a vessel requiring that license! Now,
stop and re-read this, then think about what it says before you
attempt to engage what few brain cells you may have for reading
comprehension.

B. The odds of you having worked with "hundreds of unlimited Masters"
are in the slim to none category, especially since you don't have a
clue as to the term "Master Mariner".

C. As stated, go find some of those "hundreds" you say you worked with
and ask THEM.

D. I've wasted enough time trying to explain this to someone too dumb
to listen or learn. Back to lurking where I can just sit and laugh at
the nonsense some people write.

Capt.

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Bell"
Date: 12/20/2004 4:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Doesn't this sound like Nav?
Maybe CaptMMA=Nav?


I've read Nav's crap. I'm not him/her.
I'm just one of the multitude of lurkers that once in a blue moon, jumps in on
the BS that tries to pass for "intelligent post", by people who should know
better.
Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find that
amazing.

"CaptMMA" wrote in message
...
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Bell"
Date: 12/20/2004 4:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Doesn't this sound like Nav?
Maybe CaptMMA=Nav?


I've read Nav's crap. I'm not him/her.
I'm just one of the multitude of lurkers that once in a blue moon, jumps
in on
the BS that tries to pass for "intelligent post", by people who should
know
better.
Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find
that
amazing.

Why's that?

ubject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: (CaptMMA)


snip

Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find
that
amazing.


You shouldn't.
The term is misused/used by many and I doubt you'll find the definition you are
using, written down anywhere.
While I agree with YOUR definition, it is only those within that small
community who are apt to understand/appreciate the narrow scope the definition
implies.

Shen

STOW IT, MISTER!

Master mariner is a title best assumed by those who qualify for it.

If I wish to call myself a master mariner then I shall and it's nobody else's
dadblamed business. No matter the criterion, whether it be time at sea, knowledge
of the sea, knowledge of the COLREGS, or expertise in single-handed sailing,
I have as much or more knowledge than any other individual on the planet.


CN, Master Mariner (if ya don't like it, shove it!)


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
ubject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: (CaptMMA)


snip

Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find
that
amazing.


You shouldn't.
The term is misused/used by many and I doubt you'll find the definition you are
using, written down anywhere.
While I agree with YOUR definition, it is only those within that small
community who are apt to understand/appreciate the narrow scope the definition
implies.

Shen

Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

Joe

that's just what I said. captMMA = Nav

same line of reasoning made by both/either


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

Joe

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner


Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

Joe

ROFL
Joe, as I told Neal, that I don't care if he uses the term as applicable to
himself, I don't really give a rats ass if you believe MMA or myself as to the
definition of the term.
It's been so *******ized in the movies, etc., that in truth, it really has no
meaning to the general public, is just fluff for people like Neal, and really
only has meaning of importance to those who hold unlimited licenses and those
who directly deal with them.
As to proving it to you, I have no interest in trying since I don't consider
your acceptance, pro/con, of my definition important.
Within the community/trade/industry I work in, the term is known and used in
one of two specific ways, related to a specific individual.
Believe me, don't believe me, like it or lump it, I could care less.

Shen