Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"
Date: 12/20/2004 6:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
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So who defines the term Master Mariner?

In what profession is the term used, and who defines who deserves such
a high ranking?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Joe

The term is a Merchant Marine one, that has been around since long before you
or I ever started getting licenses.
I have never done a study as to exactly where and when this term started (maybe
someday) and don't doubt that it was used long before the issuance of licenses
as we now know them.
However, within the time frame of licenses, this term has been used to describe
those with unlimited licenses, be they sail or power (some say the reqirement
is both) who have sailed in that position on a vessel requiring that license.
This is a Merchant Marine industry standard which you should be aware is not
based on some governing body or formal organization's input. Instead it comes
from those license holders in the past and possibly some societies/groups
consisting of licensed individuals within the industry.
If you look at some of the older USMM licenses issued by the CG, you'll note
that they did not use the present form headlining the term Master. Many of the
limited license were listed as "Operator".

Capt.

God grants the title of Master Mariner:

http://www.lronhubbard.org/yachtsmn/cont.htm

Amen!

Bob Crantz


"Joe" wrote in message
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So who defines the term Master Mariner?

In what profession is the term used, and who defines who deserves such
a high ranking?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
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Oh...Let me guess... your a Master Mariner.

And you may be one if it is defined as a once in a while weekend
warrior sailing a gay, cheap, throw away quality Cal 20 ....while
wearing a Capt Stubing style Capt. Cap. and white jacket with gold bars
and tassels on the sholder.

Guess you have your student saluting you, and piping you aboard.

Joe

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters.


And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is.

I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get
a masters degree at the USMM academy.


Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not
understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use.

Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that
conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself
Capt.

But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG
sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally
found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task.

Joe

This Hubbard fellow also is called a Yachtsman.
Therefore he can not be a Master Mariner.

Joe

Read about the man, not just the web page title:

Who is Ron Hubbard?

Who's Who in America replies:

"Hubbard, Lafayette Ronald, author, explorer, officer U.S. Naval
Reserve; born Tilden, Neb, March 13, 1911;... graduate Swavely Prep School,
Manassas, Va; commander, Caribbean Motion Picture Expedition, 1932;
commander, West Indies Minerals Survey Expedition, 1932-33; writer of
articles and fiction for magazines under his own name and six pen names;
commander, Alaskan Radio Experimental Expedition, 1940; lieutenant U.S.
Naval Reserve, 1941; served in Asiatic until spring, 1942; in command of
escort vessels in North Atlantic Ocean, summer and fall, 1942; commander
escorts in Pacific, 1943; licensed commercial glider pilot; master of motor
vessels; master of sailing vessels (any ocean); licensed radio operator;
past president American Fiction Guild; member Authors League of America,
Explorers Club, Theta Tau, Phi Theta Xi. Author: Buckskin Brigades, 1936.
Co-author: Through Hell and High Water, 1941. Contributor of articles and
fiction to 72 magazines, mostly action books, adventure, sea stories and
fantasy. Considers his greatest achievement is having scaled Mt. Pelée in
Martinique at night. Home: Explorers Club, New York, NY."

That is only the tip of the iceberg!

Amen!

Bob Crantz




"Joe" wrote in message
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This Hubbard fellow also is called a Yachtsman.
Therefore he can not be a Master Mariner.

Joe

Wow, finally a Gaynz reply that's not gayed up.

Scotty


"JG" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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Oh...Let me guess... your a Master Mariner.

And you may be one if it is defined as a once in a while weekend
warrior sailing a gay, cheap, throw away quality Cal 20 ....while
wearing a Capt Stubing style Capt. Cap. and white jacket with gold
bars
and tassels on the sholder.

Guess you have your student saluting you, and piping you aboard.

Joe

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline, etc..


And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters.

So did a lot of people, so what?



And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is.

Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited licenses.


I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get
a masters degree at the USMM academy.

If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license has
something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed.



Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not
understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use.

If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than I thought.


Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that
conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself
Capt.

You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem to know
little about.


But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG
sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally
found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task.

Joe


Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the term Master
Mariner.

Capt.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Wow, finally a Gaynz reply that's not gayed up.

Scotty


"JG" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Oh...Let me guess... your a Master Mariner.

And you may be one if it is defined as a once in a while weekend
warrior sailing a gay, cheap, throw away quality Cal 20 ....while
wearing a Capt Stubing style Capt. Cap. and white jacket with gold
bars
and tassels on the sholder.

Guess you have your student saluting you, and piping you aboard.

Joe

CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline,
etc..


Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the
service myself.




And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my
Masters.

So did a lot of people, so what?



You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you
can still set for an ocean operator dufass.



And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is.

Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited
licenses.


BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have
never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht
Club.



I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to
get
a masters degree at the USMM academy.

If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license
has
something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed.


No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a
300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do
with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner.




Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do
not
understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use.

If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than
I thought.

I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed
with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel
right?.

Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe.




Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that
conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls
himself
Capt.

You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem
to know
little about.


You seem to no nothing.


But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM /
USCG
sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals
legally
found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task.

Joe


Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the
term Master
Mariner.

They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made
up title used by wannabee's like YOU!

Joe

Capt.