Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"
Date: 12/20/2004 6:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: .com

So who defines the term Master Mariner?

In what profession is the term used, and who defines who deserves such
a high ranking?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Joe

The term is a Merchant Marine one, that has been around since long before you
or I ever started getting licenses.
I have never done a study as to exactly where and when this term started (maybe
someday) and don't doubt that it was used long before the issuance of licenses
as we now know them.
However, within the time frame of licenses, this term has been used to describe
those with unlimited licenses, be they sail or power (some say the reqirement
is both) who have sailed in that position on a vessel requiring that license.
This is a Merchant Marine industry standard which you should be aware is not
based on some governing body or formal organization's input. Instead it comes
from those license holders in the past and possibly some societies/groups
consisting of licensed individuals within the industry.
If you look at some of the older USMM licenses issued by the CG, you'll note
that they did not use the present form headlining the term Master. Many of the
limited license were listed as "Operator".

Capt.

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters.


And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is.

I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get
a masters degree at the USMM academy.


Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not
understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use.

Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that
conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself
Capt.

But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG
sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally
found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task.

Joe

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline, etc..


And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters.

So did a lot of people, so what?



And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is.

Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited licenses.


I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get
a masters degree at the USMM academy.

If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license has
something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed.



Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not
understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use.

If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than I thought.


Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that
conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself
Capt.

You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem to know
little about.


But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG
sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally
found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task.

Joe


Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the term Master
Mariner.

Capt.

CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline,
etc..


Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the
service myself.




And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my
Masters.

So did a lot of people, so what?



You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you
can still set for an ocean operator dufass.



And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is.

Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited
licenses.


BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have
never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht
Club.



I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to
get
a masters degree at the USMM academy.

If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license
has
something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed.


No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a
300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do
with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner.




Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do
not
understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use.

If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than
I thought.

I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed
with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel
right?.

Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe.




Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that
conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls
himself
Capt.

You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem
to know
little about.


You seem to no nothing.


But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM /
USCG
sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals
legally
found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task.

Joe


Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the
term Master
Mariner.

They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made
up title used by wannabee's like YOU!

Joe

Capt.

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"


CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline,
etc..


Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the
service myself.

Your arguing the use of a term for no reason. Industry/trade, call it what you
want.
It is NOT however, a branch of the service.



And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my
Masters.

So did a lot of people, so what?



You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you
can still set for an ocean operator dufass.

And your point is, when discussing the term Master Mariner? I haven't seen the
term used too frequently as of late. If it is, big deal, so what.


BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have
never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht
Club.

I'll try one last time.
The USCG has no say in what or who is a Master Mariner. They just issue
licenses.
If you don't think the USMM uses the term "Master Mariner" then there's a good
chance you are not in the USMM.
Since you don't believe me, feel free to find some unlimited Master and ask
him/her about the term.

If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license
has
something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed.


No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a
300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do
with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner.

The time required can, and usually is, much greater. The fact the you have the
time in at sea to get an unlimited Master license and get it, says that you've
spent a good deal of time and training on ships.
BUT, it doesn't mean you will ever sail in that capacity and most won't. The
Term Master Mariner is reserved for those that have.


I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed
with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel
right?.

Nope I prefer jeans.

Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe.

Well, since you couldn't use it anyway to describe yourself, you can call it
whatever you like.


Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the
term Master
Mariner.

They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made
up title used by wannabee's like YOU!

Joe

Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself than you
have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask them about
the term.

CaptMMA wrote:


Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself
than you
have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask
them about
the term.

Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the
licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up
lubbers term you embraced.

Joe
USMM Master

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"


CaptMMA wrote:


Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself
than you
have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask
them about
the term.

Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the
licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up
lubbers term you embraced.

Joe
USMM Master


Cripes, are you always this dumb or are you practicing for the New Year?

A. NO ONE ever said there is a license that says Master Mariner. A Master
Mariner is someone who HOLDS an unlimited Master license and has sailed in that
capacity on a vessel requiring that license! Now, stop and re-read this, then
think about what it says before you attempt to engage what few brain cells you
may have for reading comprehension.

B. The odds of you having worked with "hundreds of unlimited Masters" are in
the slim to none category, especially since you don't have a clue as to the
term "Master Mariner".

C. As stated, go find some of those "hundreds" you say you worked with and ask
THEM.

D. I've wasted enough time trying to explain this to someone too dumb to listen
or learn. Back to lurking where I can just sit and laugh at the nonsense some
people write.

Capt.

CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline,
etc..


Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the
service myself.




And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my
Masters.

So did a lot of people, so what?



You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you
can still set for an ocean operator dufass.



And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is.

Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited
licenses.


BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have
never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht
Club.



I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to
get
a masters degree at the USMM academy.

If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license
has
something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed.


No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a
300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do
with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner.




Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do
not
understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use.

If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than
I thought.

I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed
with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel
right?.

Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe.




Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that
conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls
himself
Capt.

You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem
to know
little about.


You seem to no nothing.


But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM /
USCG
sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals
legally
found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task.

Joe


Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the
term Master
Mariner.

They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made
up title used by wannabee's like YOU!

Joe

CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline,
etc..


Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the
service myself.




And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my
Masters.

So did a lot of people, so what?



You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you
can still set for an ocean operator dufass.



And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is.

Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited
licenses.


BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have
never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht
Club.



I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to
get
a masters degree at the USMM academy.

If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license
has
something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed.


No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a
300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do
with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner.




Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do
not
understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use.

If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than
I thought.

I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed
with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel
right?.

Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe.




Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that
conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls
himself
Capt.

You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem
to know
little about.


You seem to no nothing.


But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM /
USCG
sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals
legally
found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task.

Joe


Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the
term Master
Mariner.

They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made
up title used by wannabee's like YOU!

Joe

DAMN Joe, is there an echo in here (or are you just emphasizing your point
to Capt.MMA/Bobsplit/BBthe sailor



Joe wrote:
CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline,
etc..


Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the
service myself.




And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my
Masters.

So did a lot of people, so what?



You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you
can still set for an ocean operator dufass.



And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is.

Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited licenses.


BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have
never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht
Club.



I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to
get a masters degree at the USMM academy.

If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license
has something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed.


No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a
300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do
with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner.




Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do
not understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use.

If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than
I thought.

I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed
with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel
right?.

Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe.




Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that
conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls
himself Capt.

You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem
to know little about.


You seem to no nothing.


But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG
sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals
legally found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task.

Joe


Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the
term Master Mariner.

They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made
up title used by wannabee's like YOU!

Joe