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DSK wrote: Vito wrote: His name was Yeshuah (phonetially) but that doesn't decline in Latin so Romans called him Jesus as you say. It's a matter of pronunciation, which is shaped by local culture, and spelling, which varies widely even within the same language. Without building a time machine and going back to Judea circa 20CE, there is no way to tell for sure how Jesus' name was pronounced. But the different ways it is transcribed gives a clue good enough to go on. ... Most wrongly believe his full name was Jesus Christ. Sure. Most people don't read. Jesus Christ is as well documented a historical figure as almost anybody except perhaps Alexander III of Macedon ("the Great"). On the contrary. Much of what is written was penned by people who had never seen the man relying on word of mouth stories. Wrong. The compilers of the Gospel had a large amount of material to go on, and while what they included in the New Testament was certainly screened for politically correct content, they did not destroy much of what they did *not* include. The material survives, a lot has been translated into English multiple times, and is available. ... Hence much is less than factual. For example most secular scholors suspect that Matthew describes another man, Yeshuah ben Pendara who lived a generation earlier and was crucified on a tree and stoned to death before the man we call Jesus was born. I never heard of that. ... I have a Pentateuch, where do I find a Septateuch? The Septateuch ("Seven Books") is sort of the expanded, unabridged version of the Gospels. It includes a lot of the material about Jesus' life & teachings, written by his Disciples and others who knew him personally including his brother James, that contradicted later Catholic doctrine and was excluded from the New Testament Bibles published for popular consumption. Go to Amazon.com and type in Septateuch, you'll find several dozens at least to choose from. Actually you'd probably get more out of http://tinyurl.com/5q97v Nawww... Why not? Unless you're afraid to substitute the real thing for that pseudo-historic nonsense you're so fond of. .... knowledge causes one to doubt dogma, Christian and otherwise. Knowledge, and observation of fact. The latter is actually more important. "Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?" Agree. Vito, I suspect that you an I agree on quite a lot, but I am offended by the farcical anti-history you keep spouting. Making up weird **** can be a lot of fun, and it takes some intellect & creativity. But claiming it's true makes you either a con man or a lunatic. Which? pot...black Cheers |
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