Capt. Neal® wrote in message ...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.


For example, all the mods I do are done on the water.


did you modify your keel in the water? Are you sure your the real Neal?



This summer
I was anchored out for a month on the Cay Sal Bank where there is
nothing but desert isles. I had in stock all the supplies I needed to
sand and paint and stripe my fine blue water cruiser as well as
all the food, water and rum on hand needed to keep me happy
while doing the work in a pristine environment.

This is what a true cruiser does. Only a ****** even talks about
cutting his boat in half and adding more length there.

I guess Todd shipyard is full of ******s

joe

CN

wrote in message ...
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:43:29 -0500, Capt. Neal®
wrote:

Those who are sailors sail.

Those who are pretend sailors spend most of their time
modifying their boats.

Those with good boats sail them and have no desire to
modify them.

CN


The REAL Neal never tired of describing all the MAJOR modifications he
had made to his boat to create what he felt was a fabulous bluewater
cruiser. He posted pictures. Lots of them. He brags on his website
about modifying his boat. You have just called Neal a pretend sailor.

B - U - S - T - E - D


BB


"Joe" wrote in message om...
I'm thinking of a 48 footer. All I have to do is cut my boat in half
and weld in 6 foot. I need a navigation station in the main salon as
well as the aft cabain and the extra 6 foot would be perfect. A wrap
around settee to stbd with palsma screen on the bulkhead and a first
class hand crafted Phillipino Mahogany nav station to port and another
600 gallons of tankage, and the coolest sky light on any vessel. I
could do it in a week with the right tools and help, luckly we have
some of the best steel yards and rolling machines in the world in
Galveston.

It would be worth the effort since RedCloud is in such pristine
condition.

Boobsie would **** man-o-wars that I can do this for just a few grand
and have a customized vessel that will out preform most production
boats of the same size.

I will have room between my main and mizzen to fly one of those V
shaped sails(help me here with the name Ole Thom).

Anyone have a copy of the latest version of Autocad?

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message m...
Capt. Neal® wrote in message ...


did you modify your keel in the water? Are you sure your the real Neal?


Duh! I think you are confused. It's Ole Thom who did the keel mod. I only
faired mine while hauled out for a bottom job. What brand of rum are
you imbibing?

CN

Be careful Nutsy,

The "DUH" in the reply is almost a signature.

The moving the whole keel forward is more than a fairing job!

OT

Where did you get the idea that I moved my keel forward?

What kind of rum are you drinking you old fart?

CN


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Be careful Nutsy,

The "DUH" in the reply is almost a signature.

The moving the whole keel forward is more than a fairing job!

OT

Nutsy,

I guess its time to impart some knowledge to you.

In the early days of MFG Hulls, the keels were attached as they did to
the wooden hulls. They drilled holes in the fibre glass and bolted on
the keels. What happened as they aged the washers and nuts worked loose,
due to the lack of elasticity of the fibre glass. The obvious repair was
to tighten the nuts. This worked for a while but the fibre glass
continued to compress and leak, growing thinner. To get a dry bilge, new
holes where needed. Simple and least expense. Drop the keel, filling the
old holes then drill new holes in the area of solid fibre glass. Better
to move the keel forward an get weather helm than get lee helm. If the
keel didn't cause to much weather helm, the compensation was made in the
standing rigging.

This was a common problem in the early day of MFD. Particularly in the
boats built to compete in the lower price range. Later models reinforced
this area or/and buried the keel bolts and corrected the problem.

Michael Twin keeler suffered this problem. It is why he brought a new
boat. It didn't mean it wasn't a good boat. I believe it had more than
one trip around the world. It was just a point of wear that they over
looked. There are still plenty of leakers sailing out there yet.

Ole Thom

In article , Joe
wrote:

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.

Yeah - on freighters & tankers with a constant draft whose hulls are
generally U-shaped in X-section. Not yachts.

If you're serious get a copy of Tom Colvin's book on steel
boatbuilding; there's some info in there about doing this and the
things to watch for. Or email me and I'll look it up in my copy. One of
my ships sails this evening so I should have a bit of free time in the
next week or 2.

PDW

Peter Wiley wrote in message ...
In article , Joe
wrote:

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.

Yeah - on freighters & tankers with a constant draft whose hulls are
generally U-shaped in X-section. Not yachts.

I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.
Yachties want bow thrusters and chrome anchors.

I do have access to some of the largest and finest english wheels in
the world.
And I have a well studied eye of proper lines camber and curves.

Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls. Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts. Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

Thanks have a safe trip

Joe





If you're serious get a copy of Tom Colvin's book on steel
boatbuilding; there's some info in there about doing this and the
things to watch for. Or email me and I'll look it up in my copy. One of
my ships sails this evening so I should have a bit of free time in the
next week or 2.

PDW

Joe wrote:
I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.

uh huh.


Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls. Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts.

If you think Bruce Roberts trumps Tom Colvin, then you're clueless.


... Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

You can email or snail mail Halsey Herreshoff but he's probably not
interested even if youo could afford him. You'd need to hold a seance to
get in touch with Nat or L. Francis; maybe the new fake Crapton is in
touch with the spirit world.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:
I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.

uh huh.


Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls. Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts.

If you think Bruce Roberts trumps Tom Colvin, then you're clueless.

I've never cared for Colvins layout or his hulls. All look to 70's to
to me.
Not one of his hulls has the grace of RedCloud. I think RedCloud was
modeled after a 1800's clipper hull.

Bruce Roberts has had his problems as well, but I do like his
trawlers.



... Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

You can email or snail mail Halsey Herreshoff but he's probably not
interested even if youo could afford him. You'd need to hold a seance to
get in touch with Nat or L. Francis; maybe the new fake Crapton is in
touch with the spirit world.

Could be, again I think RedCloud has the finest lines of any steel
hull Ive ever seen. But I have not been able to find out who buildt
her.

I posted several time on many British English sites because I found
some gear marked C. Warden Lowenstolt England but no one recalls
seeing her.

Perhaps Halsey's dad did indeed design her. I will send him a picture
and information. Do you have his e-mail address by chance?

Thanks Doug


Joe



Fresh Breezes- Doug King

In article , Joe
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote in message
...
In article , Joe
wrote:

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.

Yeah - on freighters & tankers with a constant draft whose hulls are
generally U-shaped in X-section. Not yachts.

I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.

What's that got to do with the hull shape? Is the X-section of the hull
where you're planning on cutting it U or V shaped? Is the keel
horizontal to the WL or is there any drag? Etc etc.

Yachties want bow thrusters and chrome anchors.

I do have access to some of the largest and finest english wheels in
the world.
And I have a well studied eye of proper lines camber and curves.

Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha. Tom is a naval architect, ran his own boat
building yard for years, has over 300 designs to his credit and at
close to 80, he's *still* building boats. He specialises in metal
boats, primarily steel, and has designed, built & sailed his own
designs for longer than you've been alive, probably. His books are the
best reference works on steel boatbuilding for craft less than 80' ever
written.

Do a bit of research, Joe. You won't look quite so stupid. I was going
to say ignorant but ignorance is curable with effort and you're
apparently not going to make any.

Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts.

Bruce Roberts is a rank amateur.

Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

Riiiiiight. I thought you were just trolling, now I'm sure of it. I
won't waste my time any further.

Thanks have a safe trip

Got rid of the ship for this voyage, I'm not sailing until 20 December
or thereabouts.

PDW