"Ryk" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:01:42 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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It's a friggin 20 buck tax grab with a ridiculous exam that proves
nothing
regarding operator competency!

You now need one despite the fact you might have a Master/Minor Waters
certification.

Actually, the regulations require only that one carry proof of
competency on board and recognize e.g. a CPS diploma as adequate proof
of competency in lieu of a license.

Better re-read that..... once fully implemented a Boat operator's Cert will
be mandatory and required.

CM

Well, here you would still have to fork out an extra $20 on top of that....
for a card that proves nothing but the fact you paid $20.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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Correction. Above and beyond my six-pak license I hold
a Master's license, Near Coastal 25GT.

CN


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Fight it Tooth and Nail if it comes your way Cappy!
It's a tax grab.... imagine a government that would require you to have
this card despite your current 6-pak licence!! Lunacy!

CM



"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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It's just another liberal scheme to collect a tax disguised as
a license. Like when you register a boat. It costs more by the
foot yet it costs the same in time and paperwork to register a
dinghy that is six feet LOA as it does to register a motor yacht
that is two hundred feet LOA. Democrats seem to love any
scheme that penalizes those who have money. Liberalism is
all about taking money and rights away from those who have
it and giving it to those to lazy or inept to earn their own.

CN


"Gordon" wrote in message
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Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require
boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the
pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it
just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

Between 32% to 43% in various forms. Provincial Taxes are added to GST of
7% on all purchases. Some Provinces have "Harmonized" their 10% provincial
tax and combined taxes to 15%.

You'd be fair to call it 50% overall when calcing fuel, booze and cigarette
taxes. Add to that government controlled legal gambling and lotteries to tax
the poor.

I'm earning 50 cents on the dollar I figure.

CM



"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. Neal® wrote in message
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It's just another liberal scheme to collect a tax disguised as
a license.

I think that is why the Govt of Canaduh is going to allow each and
everyone an unlimited supply of BC Bud.

Makes you care less if they tax you so much.

What precentage overall do you pay in taxes Mooron?




Like when you register a boat. It costs more by the
foot yet it costs the same in time and paperwork to register a
dinghy that is six feet LOA as it does to register a motor yacht
that is two hundred feet LOA.


Bwahahahahahaha here the local school district taxes me on my computer
on my boat because of a DBA. The tax is like 1.08 US a year. They mail
the notice 11 times a year at the cost of .37 a shot. I wait till the
11th notice and send a 1.08 check. All the notices are hand tabulated.
No doubt at the cost of 30 dollars an hour. And since it is a govt
employee you know they can not possiable do more than two an hour. So
180.00 dollars to process the paper work, 4.07 postage. All to collect
1.08.

Here is the kicker, I forgot to send it one year and they had a Law
Firm of a dozen or so lawyers send me offical notice that they will
sue for payment.

Bwahahahahahahahhahahaha it kills me.



Democrats seem to love any
scheme that penalizes those who have money. Liberalism is
all about taking money and rights away from those who have
it and giving it to those to lazy or inept to earn their own.


Both are todays Democrats.

Joe


CN


"Gordon" wrote in message
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Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the
pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

Bull****... I've hit charted rocks at 100 meters, 250 meters 500 meters and
1000 meters from my dock.

2 Kinds of Sailors.... those that have hit rocks...and ****in' Liars!

CM

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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Bobsprit wrote:
Did a license ever stop an accident on the road?

Nope, but a licensed driver is more likely to be operating with
insurance.
Making someone like Horvath, Loco or Scotty learn at least a few rules
and
concepts sounds like a good idea to me.

RB
And yet, you're the only one here who has hit a charted rock a mile from
from your slip. Perhaps you should give the local Power Squadron a call
this winter.

A Boat Operators Card is not a defensive driving course... it's barely a
beginner's exam for a retard!

CM

"Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message
news:G6Kmd.417721$D%.308970@attbi_s51...
No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely to
have an accident.


"Ed C" wrote in message
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Did a license ever stop an accident on the road?


"Gordon" wrote in message
...
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the
pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

I have no less than 6 certified advance vehicle control courses... all
stated I would get a discount on insurance premiums... I don't... I have no
tickets, no record and no accidents for over 30 years.

CM

"Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message
news:V4Lmd.417841$D%.372275@attbi_s51...
I have received a 10% allowance for my car and my boating safety courses.

I have to renew my defensive driving course every 3 yrs, but have received
the 10% discount for the last 17 yrs, I have received a 10% discount for a
course I took the last 1t yrs ago.

.
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:28:38 GMT, "Dr. Dr. Smithers"
wrote:

No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely to
have an accident.



I am a proponent of boater safety courses, however, since taking part
in boater safety courses is an elective decision, you haven't
established whether this phenomenon is cause or effect.

I think it is most likely that those interested in boating safety
pursue the courses out of the initiative of self improvement. They
would have been safe, anyway.

Given the embarrassingly small percentage of discount afforded by the
insurance companies for boating safety course completers... I'd think
that few to none of those people holding boating safety and
navigational rules/information in low esteem would be induced to take
courses for selfish monetary reasons. They'd probably be unsafe,
anyway. There is a lot of difference between taking a course and
altering someone's behavior.

If I were an insurance company, I'd think of some pricing scheme to
induce boaters to take these boating safety courses (even the
disinterested ones), that is, if I truly felt that they would improve
safety and my bottom line.

Looking at the insurance companies complacent attitude toward this....
I'd conclude that it isn't all that strong a link to them.....
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

It is time for you to change insurance companies.

Check out Geico.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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I have no less than 6 certified advance vehicle control courses... all
stated I would get a discount on insurance premiums... I don't... I have no
tickets, no record and no accidents for over 30 years.

CM

"Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message
news:V4Lmd.417841$D%.372275@attbi_s51...
I have received a 10% allowance for my car and my boating safety courses.

I have to renew my defensive driving course every 3 yrs, but have
received the 10% discount for the last 17 yrs, I have received a 10%
discount for a course I took the last 1t yrs ago.

.
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:28:38 GMT, "Dr. Dr. Smithers"
wrote:

No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely
to
have an accident.



I am a proponent of boater safety courses, however, since taking part
in boater safety courses is an elective decision, you haven't
established whether this phenomenon is cause or effect.

I think it is most likely that those interested in boating safety
pursue the courses out of the initiative of self improvement. They
would have been safe, anyway.

Given the embarrassingly small percentage of discount afforded by the
insurance companies for boating safety course completers... I'd think
that few to none of those people holding boating safety and
navigational rules/information in low esteem would be induced to take
courses for selfish monetary reasons. They'd probably be unsafe,
anyway. There is a lot of difference between taking a course and
altering someone's behavior.

If I were an insurance company, I'd think of some pricing scheme to
induce boaters to take these boating safety courses (even the
disinterested ones), that is, if I truly felt that they would improve
safety and my bottom line.

Looking at the insurance companies complacent attitude toward this....
I'd conclude that it isn't all that strong a link to them.....
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:28:32 GMT, "Capt. Mooron" said:

Bull****... I've hit charted rocks at 100 meters, 250 meters 500 meters and
1000 meters from my dock.

Never hit any rocks... plenty of mud monsters though.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"No more Pony" wrote in message ink.net...
In MD, it's not a license, it's a 'safe boating
certificate. It cannot be revoked.
it's an attempt to educate the boating public. It
is somewhat effective in that at least the hold
has been exposed to the basics.
S.

"Dave" wrote in message
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: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:55:42 GMT, "Ed C"
said:
:
: Did a license ever stop an accident on the
road?
:
: Prolly prevented a few. The reason for licensing
is so that the license can
: be revoked. So while the tests probably are
useless, the ability to revoke
: the license for, for example, boating under the
influence, can be
: meaningful.
:

I operate a private yacht charter business in Florida. I also have a
100 ton Masters License, and I have spent many years on the water,
watching people endanger themselves and everyone around them, simply
because they lack an understanding of some of the basic boating
concepts, such as the "rules of the road". It is commonly understood
that anyone having the financial wherewithal to buy a boat is
automatically a "boater". It is also commonly understood by the
professionals that getting in close proximity to one of these
"boaters" is a stroke of bad luck.
I don't know what would be covered in the licensing requirement in
your state, but if it at least provided SOME measure of intelligence
about how to operate safely, how to use a VHF radio, who has the
right of way under different circumstances, and the requirement to
avoid collisions, I would support it. If there is a way to control or
at least influence the amount of education/experience required to
obtain such a license, I would urge you to exercise such influence and
at least get a licensing requirement that makes sense.
Captain stan
Jaxcharter.com

In article ,
Captain Stan wrote:
I operate a private yacht charter business in Florida. I also have a
100 ton Masters License, and I have spent many years on the water,
watching people endanger themselves and everyone around them, simply
because they lack an understanding of some of the basic boating
concepts, such as the "rules of the road". It is commonly understood
that anyone having the financial wherewithal to buy a boat is
automatically a "boater". It is also commonly understood by the
professionals that getting in close proximity to one of these
"boaters" is a stroke of bad luck.
I don't know what would be covered in the licensing requirement in
your state, but if it at least provided SOME measure of intelligence
about how to operate safely, how to use a VHF radio, who has the
right of way under different circumstances, and the requirement to
avoid collisions, I would support it. If there is a way to control or
at least influence the amount of education/experience required to
obtain such a license, I would urge you to exercise such influence and
at least get a licensing requirement that makes sense.
Captain stan
Jaxcharter.com

Stan, that sounds reasonable, but what do you do about transients?
Seems like there's nothing that will work for them.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."