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Boater operator certificate
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:12:02 GMT, "Gordon" wrote:
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Canada recently brought in a licensing requirement. The red tape and operator cost has been negligible as it is a one time license without a renewal requirement. The big plus is that kids under 16 can no longer legally drive jet skis. However, the rules don't seem to prevent a couple of inexperienced 19 year olds from legally renting one *right now* on some kind of provisional license. I think it's a good thing, if only because it makes it clear one should have some qualification before jumping into a boat and hitting the throttle. The testing is so simple that anybody should be able to get one after reading the Coast Guard Safety Brochure, so it is not much of a hurdle to clear. Quite possibly the bar should be higher. Ryk |
It's just another liberal scheme to collect a tax disguised as
a license. Like when you register a boat. It costs more by the foot yet it costs the same in time and paperwork to register a dinghy that is six feet LOA as it does to register a motor yacht that is two hundred feet LOA. Democrats seem to love any scheme that penalizes those who have money. Liberalism is all about taking money and rights away from those who have it and giving it to those to lazy or inept to earn their own. CN "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
It's a friggin 20 buck tax grab with a ridiculous exam that proves nothing
regarding operator competency! You now need one despite the fact you might have a Master/Minor Waters certification. It's ridiculous. CM "Ryk" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:12:02 GMT, "Gordon" wrote: Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Canada recently brought in a licensing requirement. The red tape and operator cost has been negligible as it is a one time license without a renewal requirement. The big plus is that kids under 16 can no longer legally drive jet skis. However, the rules don't seem to prevent a couple of inexperienced 19 year olds from legally renting one *right now* on some kind of provisional license. I think it's a good thing, if only because it makes it clear one should have some qualification before jumping into a boat and hitting the throttle. The testing is so simple that anybody should be able to get one after reading the Coast Guard Safety Brochure, so it is not much of a hurdle to clear. Quite possibly the bar should be higher. Ryk |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... It's a friggin 20 buck tax grab with a ridiculous exam that proves nothing regarding operator competency! You now need one despite the fact you might have a Master/Minor Waters certification. It's ridiculous. CM It might keep those rum guzzlin' characters from terrorizing decent sailing folk in Mahone Bay......then again maybe not! |
Just another tax.
-- Keith __ ....at least I thought I was dancing, 'til somebody stepped on my hand. "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:07:36 -0500, Ryk
wrote: I think it's a good thing, if only because it makes it clear one should have some qualification before jumping into a boat and hitting the throttle. The testing is so simple that anybody should be able to get one after reading the Coast Guard Safety Brochure, so it is not much of a hurdle to clear. Quite possibly the bar should be higher. I am also in Toronto, Canada, and got my certificate in the context of Canadian Power Squadron courses. Not a bad thing, and the red tape is minimal. While you can just "sit the test" without prior instruction, the advent of this licencing requirement is getting more people into Power Squadron courses, which is gradually upping the knowledge level of recreational boaters generally, or so it appears to me. At least it's no longer "zero". R. |
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... It's a friggin 20 buck tax grab with a ridiculous exam that proves nothing regarding operator competency! You now need one despite the fact you might have a Master/Minor Waters certification. It's ridiculous. CM It might keep those rum guzzlin' characters from terrorizing decent sailing folk in Mahone Bay......then again maybe not! They're safe now..... Overproof is laying to her cradle..... in the parking lot of the local bar! :-D CM |
It may be so in your area but I can assure you all CYS courses were booked
solid years ago when I took my courses. I paid out of pocket with no hesitation for these courses. What ****es me off the most is that even though the certification automatically assures me an operator's card... I still have to pay the additional $20. This card is no more than a tax grab. I know lots of people who have folks write the test for them online and then pay their fee only to have no clue about boating safety. The card is a scam.... it won't hold up in court. CM "rhys" wrote in message I am also in Toronto, Canada, and got my certificate in the context of Canadian Power Squadron courses. Not a bad thing, and the red tape is minimal. While you can just "sit the test" without prior instruction, the advent of this licencing requirement is getting more people into Power Squadron courses, which is gradually upping the knowledge level of recreational boaters generally, or so it appears to me. At least it's no longer "zero". R. |
I know... it's an idiotic test and you don't have to pass it to get your
card.. just re-write it ... all they want is your $20. "Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:12:02 GMT, "Gordon" said: To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? I wouldn't put much confidence in an operator whose knowledge is limited to what he learned in the course. Would you believe they don't even touch on how to use a compass or a chart? (Well, maybe a bit. They did talk about "red right retuning.") |
Fight it Tooth and Nail if it comes your way Cappy!
It's a tax grab.... imagine a government that would require you to have this card despite your current 6-pak licence!! Lunacy! CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... It's just another liberal scheme to collect a tax disguised as a license. Like when you register a boat. It costs more by the foot yet it costs the same in time and paperwork to register a dinghy that is six feet LOA as it does to register a motor yacht that is two hundred feet LOA. Democrats seem to love any scheme that penalizes those who have money. Liberalism is all about taking money and rights away from those who have it and giving it to those to lazy or inept to earn their own. CN "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:01:42 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... It's a friggin 20 buck tax grab with a ridiculous exam that proves nothing regarding operator competency! You now need one despite the fact you might have a Master/Minor Waters certification. Actually, the regulations require only that one carry proof of competency on board and recognize e.g. a CPS diploma as adequate proof of competency in lieu of a license. Ryk |
Correction. Above and beyond my six-pak license I hold
a Master's license, Near Coastal 25GT. CN "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Fight it Tooth and Nail if it comes your way Cappy! It's a tax grab.... imagine a government that would require you to have this card despite your current 6-pak licence!! Lunacy! CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... It's just another liberal scheme to collect a tax disguised as a license. Like when you register a boat. It costs more by the foot yet it costs the same in time and paperwork to register a dinghy that is six feet LOA as it does to register a motor yacht that is two hundred feet LOA. Democrats seem to love any scheme that penalizes those who have money. Liberalism is all about taking money and rights away from those who have it and giving it to those to lazy or inept to earn their own. CN "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
Did a license ever stop an accident on the road?
"Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
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Ed C wrote: Did a license ever stop an accident on the road? I'm sure it has, but I don't think it's appropriate or feasible for boats. It's just a tax. Cars require a test, minimal though it is. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Ed C wrote:
Did a license ever stop an accident on the road? Jeese louise I'd say yes:-) Here downunder we've had boat drivers licenses in most states almost forever. It varies from state to state, some only for boats "capable" of exceeding 10 kts, some only for boats over 10HP & some for all "powered craft" Also in some you need a special exam & license to drive a jetski (mongrel things:-)). The test requirements vary from state to state also, most have a computerised theory test, which is fairly OK & means people have the basics & at least some understanding of various lights (fishing boats with nets, dredges, big ships right of way in designated channels etc), colours & channel marking systems, plus anchoring & mooring etc, also it stresses safety gear compliance. At least one state you have to also sit a boat test after the theory test i.e. they have licensed professional testers, you meet them where ever, they check the boat then go for a run asking certain handling tests be achieved, again it's not perfect but better than nothing at all that lets just about any dopey nuff nuff go & kill his/her family or worse mine. I have to admit the govt does milk it for funds, but they claim this helps defray police & rescue costs, maybe but ....... The very few places that were late getting licenses found people just paid the fines & didn't care, but when they might lose their license to operate then they take notice, also & this is great I say:-) they have a crossover, get done on the breathalyser in the boat & you lose both car & boat licenses for the specified time. K "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
In MD, it's not a license, it's a 'safe boating
certificate. It cannot be revoked. it's an attempt to educate the boating public. It is somewhat effective in that at least the hold has been exposed to the basics. S. "Dave" wrote in message ... : On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:55:42 GMT, "Ed C" said: : : Did a license ever stop an accident on the road? : : Prolly prevented a few. The reason for licensing is so that the license can : be revoked. So while the tests probably are useless, the ability to revoke : the license for, for example, boating under the influence, can be : meaningful. : |
Oregon phased one end some years ago requiring at least a rudimentary
knowledge of Colregs. Each state that has this varies in it's requirements and none require a demonstration of ability. In the USA the ability to drive or operate or sail a boat rests largely with the individual. For most that means buy the boat and tear the tab off the Budweiser at one end of the spectrum to the barely adequate ASA certification. The ASA cert's main and only purpose purports to be an assurance of basic skills prior to renting out (charter is the fancy term) a boat. In practice it's main reason for existence is to make money as it's required even of those who hold real licenses (100 ton and up). At that point it becomes and unecessary and expensive review of minimal skills. For most though it's the only training they will ever receive so it falls in the better than nothing but not by much category. The nation wide licensing begins with the 100 ton examination which strangely enough requires no practical examination. One only has to own a boat and then lists "as owner" days of sea time for themselves as "crew". However most who take the exam and apply for the license have invested enough time, money, and energy they 'usually' have a working practical knowledge of some sort. There ends the US system which may fairly be described for the vast majority on the water as Buy Boat, Buy GPS, Go Boating. Counterpoint is the British system which if far and away superior. The entry level is a written and practical examination called Competent Crew and it works up to the Offshore Skippers Certification. Licensing does not stop all accidents but the lack of any real licensing or examination of ability certainly contributes to the amount of accidents, injuries, drownings, and deaths on the water. Washington is making a needed step in the right direction. The problem is it's not the right Washington for a nationwide problem. M. "Ed C" wrote in message news:ikxmd.2939$CK.868@twister ..nyroc.rr.com... Did a license ever stop an accident on the road? "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
Did a license ever stop an accident on the road?
Nope, but a licensed driver is more likely to be operating with insurance. Making someone like Horvath, Loco or Scotty learn at least a few rules and concepts sounds like a good idea to me. RB |
In MD, it's not a license, it's a 'safe boating
certificate. I took a CC boating safety course at City island that included everything from CPR to a short written test with a few rules. Hardly comprehensive, but it's better than nothing and it lowered by insurance at the time. RB |
Bobsprit wrote:
Did a license ever stop an accident on the road? Nope, but a licensed driver is more likely to be operating with insurance. Making someone like Horvath, Loco or Scotty learn at least a few rules and concepts sounds like a good idea to me. RB And yet, you're the only one here who has hit a charted rock a mile from from your slip. Perhaps you should give the local Power Squadron a call this winter. |
And yet, you're the only one here who has hit a charted rock a mile from
from your slip. Perhaps you should give the local Power Squadron a call this winter. In 10 years of sailing, day sailing and short cruises not ONE injury on board. NO DAMAGE to my boat beyond a torn sail. I carry more safety gear than anyone here and I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few who actually does MOB drills each season. I'm sure some folks here will claim otherwise, but you're all full of sh*t. And if Dave or GF would like to examine the keel of Alien, they won't find so much as a scratch on the keel. Go look!!! Bwahahahahahaha! RB |
Bobsprit wrote:
And yet, you're the only one here who has hit a charted rock a mile from from your slip. Perhaps you should give the local Power Squadron a call this winter. In 10 years of sailing, day sailing and short cruises not ONE injury on board. NO DAMAGE to my boat beyond a torn sail. I carry more safety gear than anyone here and I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few who actually does MOB drills each season. I'm sure some folks here will claim otherwise, but you're all full of sh*t. And if Dave or GF would like to examine the keel of Alien, they won't find so much as a scratch on the keel. Go look!!! Bwahahahahahaha! RB You're the one who has several times claimed to have hit a rock near your slip. Now claiming that you're a pathological liar is really not a good excuse. |
Bwahahahahahaha!
RB You're the one who has several times claimed to have hit a rock near your slip. Now claiming that you're a pathological liar is really not a good excuse. Again, BUSTED! My boat is on the hard. Two people here can go have a look. I know! It was a SOFT rock!!! You're just another dumb victim, Jeff!!!! Bwahahahahaha!!! RB |
No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely to
have an accident. "Ed C" wrote in message ... Did a license ever stop an accident on the road? "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
I'd take that bet on the safety gear starting with an offshore liferaft.
M. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... And yet, you're the only one here who has hit a charted rock a mile from from your slip. Perhaps you should give the local Power Squadron a call this winter. In 10 years of sailing, day sailing and short cruises not ONE injury on board. NO DAMAGE to my boat beyond a torn sail. I carry more safety gear than anyone here and I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few who actually does MOB drills each season. I'm sure some folks here will claim otherwise, but you're all full of sh*t. And if Dave or GF would like to examine the keel of Alien, they won't find so much as a scratch on the keel. Go look!!! Bwahahahahahaha! RB |
I have received a 10% allowance for my car and my boating safety courses.
I have to renew my defensive driving course every 3 yrs, but have received the 10% discount for the last 17 yrs, I have received a 10% discount for a course I took the last 1t yrs ago. .. "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:28:38 GMT, "Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote: No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely to have an accident. I am a proponent of boater safety courses, however, since taking part in boater safety courses is an elective decision, you haven't established whether this phenomenon is cause or effect. I think it is most likely that those interested in boating safety pursue the courses out of the initiative of self improvement. They would have been safe, anyway. Given the embarrassingly small percentage of discount afforded by the insurance companies for boating safety course completers... I'd think that few to none of those people holding boating safety and navigational rules/information in low esteem would be induced to take courses for selfish monetary reasons. They'd probably be unsafe, anyway. There is a lot of difference between taking a course and altering someone's behavior. If I were an insurance company, I'd think of some pricing scheme to induce boaters to take these boating safety courses (even the disinterested ones), that is, if I truly felt that they would improve safety and my bottom line. Looking at the insurance companies complacent attitude toward this.... I'd conclude that it isn't all that strong a link to them..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
Capt. Neal® wrote in message ...
It's just another liberal scheme to collect a tax disguised as a license. I think that is why the Govt of Canaduh is going to allow each and everyone an unlimited supply of BC Bud. Makes you care less if they tax you so much. What precentage overall do you pay in taxes Mooron? Like when you register a boat. It costs more by the foot yet it costs the same in time and paperwork to register a dinghy that is six feet LOA as it does to register a motor yacht that is two hundred feet LOA. Bwahahahahahaha here the local school district taxes me on my computer on my boat because of a DBA. The tax is like 1.08 US a year. They mail the notice 11 times a year at the cost of .37 a shot. I wait till the 11th notice and send a 1.08 check. All the notices are hand tabulated. No doubt at the cost of 30 dollars an hour. And since it is a govt employee you know they can not possiable do more than two an hour. So 180.00 dollars to process the paper work, 4.07 postage. All to collect 1.08. Here is the kicker, I forgot to send it one year and they had a Law Firm of a dozen or so lawyers send me offical notice that they will sue for payment. Bwahahahahahahahhahahaha it kills me. Democrats seem to love any scheme that penalizes those who have money. Liberalism is all about taking money and rights away from those who have it and giving it to those to lazy or inept to earn their own. Both are todays Democrats. Joe CN "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
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Dave wrote: On 16 Nov 2004 17:11:11 -0800, (Jonathan Ganz) said: In article , Ed C wrote: Did a license ever stop an accident on the road? I'm sure it has, but I don't think it's appropriate or feasible for boats. It's just a tax. Cars require a test, minimal though it is. I assume you mean a driving test, as opposed to a written one. The states that require boat operators' licenses do require a written test. I think either for a car has some affect on safety being enhanced. I mean, if you can't pass a simple written test, you shouldn't be behind the wheel. Not at all sure it wouldn't be feasible to have an underway test for boats. True, each test would take a bit longer than with a car, but there are far fewer boats on the water than cars on the road. I don't think it would be feasible either, but it would be interesting to see pilot program results! -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Michael wrote: I'd take that bet on the safety gear starting with an offshore liferaft. Are we going to go by weight, quantity, quality, or weight as a ratio of boat weight? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Ryk" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:01:42 GMT, "Don White" wrote: "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... It's a friggin 20 buck tax grab with a ridiculous exam that proves nothing regarding operator competency! You now need one despite the fact you might have a Master/Minor Waters certification. Actually, the regulations require only that one carry proof of competency on board and recognize e.g. a CPS diploma as adequate proof of competency in lieu of a license. Better re-read that..... once fully implemented a Boat operator's Cert will be mandatory and required. CM |
Well, here you would still have to fork out an extra $20 on top of that....
for a card that proves nothing but the fact you paid $20. CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Correction. Above and beyond my six-pak license I hold a Master's license, Near Coastal 25GT. CN "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Fight it Tooth and Nail if it comes your way Cappy! It's a tax grab.... imagine a government that would require you to have this card despite your current 6-pak licence!! Lunacy! CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... It's just another liberal scheme to collect a tax disguised as a license. Like when you register a boat. It costs more by the foot yet it costs the same in time and paperwork to register a dinghy that is six feet LOA as it does to register a motor yacht that is two hundred feet LOA. Democrats seem to love any scheme that penalizes those who have money. Liberalism is all about taking money and rights away from those who have it and giving it to those to lazy or inept to earn their own. CN "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
Between 32% to 43% in various forms. Provincial Taxes are added to GST of
7% on all purchases. Some Provinces have "Harmonized" their 10% provincial tax and combined taxes to 15%. You'd be fair to call it 50% overall when calcing fuel, booze and cigarette taxes. Add to that government controlled legal gambling and lotteries to tax the poor. I'm earning 50 cents on the dollar I figure. CM "Joe" wrote in message om... Capt. Neal® wrote in message ... It's just another liberal scheme to collect a tax disguised as a license. I think that is why the Govt of Canaduh is going to allow each and everyone an unlimited supply of BC Bud. Makes you care less if they tax you so much. What precentage overall do you pay in taxes Mooron? Like when you register a boat. It costs more by the foot yet it costs the same in time and paperwork to register a dinghy that is six feet LOA as it does to register a motor yacht that is two hundred feet LOA. Bwahahahahahaha here the local school district taxes me on my computer on my boat because of a DBA. The tax is like 1.08 US a year. They mail the notice 11 times a year at the cost of .37 a shot. I wait till the 11th notice and send a 1.08 check. All the notices are hand tabulated. No doubt at the cost of 30 dollars an hour. And since it is a govt employee you know they can not possiable do more than two an hour. So 180.00 dollars to process the paper work, 4.07 postage. All to collect 1.08. Here is the kicker, I forgot to send it one year and they had a Law Firm of a dozen or so lawyers send me offical notice that they will sue for payment. Bwahahahahahahahhahahaha it kills me. Democrats seem to love any scheme that penalizes those who have money. Liberalism is all about taking money and rights away from those who have it and giving it to those to lazy or inept to earn their own. Both are todays Democrats. Joe CN "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
Bull****... I've hit charted rocks at 100 meters, 250 meters 500 meters and
1000 meters from my dock. 2 Kinds of Sailors.... those that have hit rocks...and ****in' Liars! CM "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Bobsprit wrote: Did a license ever stop an accident on the road? Nope, but a licensed driver is more likely to be operating with insurance. Making someone like Horvath, Loco or Scotty learn at least a few rules and concepts sounds like a good idea to me. RB And yet, you're the only one here who has hit a charted rock a mile from from your slip. Perhaps you should give the local Power Squadron a call this winter. |
A Boat Operators Card is not a defensive driving course... it's barely a
beginner's exam for a retard! CM "Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message news:G6Kmd.417721$D%.308970@attbi_s51... No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely to have an accident. "Ed C" wrote in message ... Did a license ever stop an accident on the road? "Gordon" wrote in message ... Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state? Thanks in advance Gordon |
I have no less than 6 certified advance vehicle control courses... all
stated I would get a discount on insurance premiums... I don't... I have no tickets, no record and no accidents for over 30 years. CM "Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message news:V4Lmd.417841$D%.372275@attbi_s51... I have received a 10% allowance for my car and my boating safety courses. I have to renew my defensive driving course every 3 yrs, but have received the 10% discount for the last 17 yrs, I have received a 10% discount for a course I took the last 1t yrs ago. . "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:28:38 GMT, "Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote: No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely to have an accident. I am a proponent of boater safety courses, however, since taking part in boater safety courses is an elective decision, you haven't established whether this phenomenon is cause or effect. I think it is most likely that those interested in boating safety pursue the courses out of the initiative of self improvement. They would have been safe, anyway. Given the embarrassingly small percentage of discount afforded by the insurance companies for boating safety course completers... I'd think that few to none of those people holding boating safety and navigational rules/information in low esteem would be induced to take courses for selfish monetary reasons. They'd probably be unsafe, anyway. There is a lot of difference between taking a course and altering someone's behavior. If I were an insurance company, I'd think of some pricing scheme to induce boaters to take these boating safety courses (even the disinterested ones), that is, if I truly felt that they would improve safety and my bottom line. Looking at the insurance companies complacent attitude toward this.... I'd conclude that it isn't all that strong a link to them..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
It is time for you to change insurance companies.
Check out Geico. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... I have no less than 6 certified advance vehicle control courses... all stated I would get a discount on insurance premiums... I don't... I have no tickets, no record and no accidents for over 30 years. CM "Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message news:V4Lmd.417841$D%.372275@attbi_s51... I have received a 10% allowance for my car and my boating safety courses. I have to renew my defensive driving course every 3 yrs, but have received the 10% discount for the last 17 yrs, I have received a 10% discount for a course I took the last 1t yrs ago. . "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:28:38 GMT, "Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote: No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely to have an accident. I am a proponent of boater safety courses, however, since taking part in boater safety courses is an elective decision, you haven't established whether this phenomenon is cause or effect. I think it is most likely that those interested in boating safety pursue the courses out of the initiative of self improvement. They would have been safe, anyway. Given the embarrassingly small percentage of discount afforded by the insurance companies for boating safety course completers... I'd think that few to none of those people holding boating safety and navigational rules/information in low esteem would be induced to take courses for selfish monetary reasons. They'd probably be unsafe, anyway. There is a lot of difference between taking a course and altering someone's behavior. If I were an insurance company, I'd think of some pricing scheme to induce boaters to take these boating safety courses (even the disinterested ones), that is, if I truly felt that they would improve safety and my bottom line. Looking at the insurance companies complacent attitude toward this.... I'd conclude that it isn't all that strong a link to them..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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Dave wrote: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:28:32 GMT, "Capt. Mooron" said: Bull****... I've hit charted rocks at 100 meters, 250 meters 500 meters and 1000 meters from my dock. Never hit any rocks... plenty of mud monsters though. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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In MD, it's not a license, it's a 'safe boating certificate. It cannot be revoked. it's an attempt to educate the boating public. It is somewhat effective in that at least the hold has been exposed to the basics. S. "Dave" wrote in message ... : On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:55:42 GMT, "Ed C" said: : : Did a license ever stop an accident on the road? : : Prolly prevented a few. The reason for licensing is so that the license can : be revoked. So while the tests probably are useless, the ability to revoke : the license for, for example, boating under the influence, can be : meaningful. : I operate a private yacht charter business in Florida. I also have a 100 ton Masters License, and I have spent many years on the water, watching people endanger themselves and everyone around them, simply because they lack an understanding of some of the basic boating concepts, such as the "rules of the road". It is commonly understood that anyone having the financial wherewithal to buy a boat is automatically a "boater". It is also commonly understood by the professionals that getting in close proximity to one of these "boaters" is a stroke of bad luck. I don't know what would be covered in the licensing requirement in your state, but if it at least provided SOME measure of intelligence about how to operate safely, how to use a VHF radio, who has the right of way under different circumstances, and the requirement to avoid collisions, I would support it. If there is a way to control or at least influence the amount of education/experience required to obtain such a license, I would urge you to exercise such influence and at least get a licensing requirement that makes sense. Captain stan Jaxcharter.com |
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Captain Stan wrote: I operate a private yacht charter business in Florida. I also have a 100 ton Masters License, and I have spent many years on the water, watching people endanger themselves and everyone around them, simply because they lack an understanding of some of the basic boating concepts, such as the "rules of the road". It is commonly understood that anyone having the financial wherewithal to buy a boat is automatically a "boater". It is also commonly understood by the professionals that getting in close proximity to one of these "boaters" is a stroke of bad luck. I don't know what would be covered in the licensing requirement in your state, but if it at least provided SOME measure of intelligence about how to operate safely, how to use a VHF radio, who has the right of way under different circumstances, and the requirement to avoid collisions, I would support it. If there is a way to control or at least influence the amount of education/experience required to obtain such a license, I would urge you to exercise such influence and at least get a licensing requirement that makes sense. Captain stan Jaxcharter.com Stan, that sounds reasonable, but what do you do about transients? Seems like there's nothing that will work for them. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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