It amazes me some here do not undertand the true cost of what veterans gave
them.

Joe


oh, they understand alright. They just claim ignorance because they personally
are not up to the effort.

You and say they are just chicken****, while they attempt to claim they are
some jetsam on the moral high ground.

guess which one the women prefer as the fathers of their children?

He knew that the only folks that benefit
from war are the politicians, generals, and industrialists.
And their sycophants.

It appears you don't not know what a sycophant is. You might wish to drop that
word from your analogy.

Thank YOU Thom!
Did you know Wilfred Owen was killed in battle not long after writing that
poem?
I believe he was 25 years old.
Scout


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Thanks Scout;

You've grasped the moment that signifies the years of veterns service.

Thanks again!

Ole Thom

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
I've waited all day and no one seems to rememder.


Many of us remembered. Many of us are *very* aware of the sacrifices that
have been made on our behalf.


It's one thing to watch films like "The Longest Day", - it's another thing
to actually visit the beaches where the allies landed. I nearly vomited
when I saw the cliffs at Arramaches. I couldn't believe that young kids
were asked to risk their lives in such circumstances.


Regards


Donal
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:37:03 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:


Now lets look at the reasons for WWI


WWI was started by the Serbs, who hired assassins to kill our beloved
leader, Archduke Franz Ferdinand.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Heh Horvath... whadda Ya get when you cross a Pollack with a Mexican?

A kid that spray paints it's name on a chain link fence!!

CM

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:37:03 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:


Now lets look at the reasons for WWI


WWI was started by the Serbs, who hired assassins to kill our beloved
leader, Archduke Franz Ferdinand.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

John,

I really don't no where to start a reply to your post. I know you sure
have history twisted around.

First lets take Lindberg. He warned us and Europe about Hilter and his
strength and was ignored. Did you ever hear of the saying "Peace in our
time"? That was said after Lindberg warning, which Europe didn't want to
hear.

About external forement, my God where have you learned your history. Do
you know how Cuba and the Philippines came into being after the Spanish
American War, Have you any idea at all how just about every nation in
the Middle East came into being after the Turk were defeated in WW1 by
moslem tribe under British leadership. After WW2 the China Communist
came into being with the exception of Taiwan, All the countries of
Europe blame us for losing their colonies. The French were driven out of
North Africa after the Allies defeated the Germans

Have you ever heard of the Truman Doctrine and the Marshall Plan?
The Lendlease Plan, Berlin Airlift, The Formation of the UN, Nato. The
creation of Israel.

John, I've only covered some of our involvement. All non-isolationist

My only comment to you is cure yourself of the myopic view of World
History. You really do seem to be missing a lot.

Ole Thom

In article , OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:55:35 GMT, "Gilligan"
scribbled thusly:

The compromise between good and evil is never good. When dealing with evil,
war (force) is the only solution. Otherwise don't deal with evil. Your
solutions would bring people like Noriega, Saddam Hussien, Hitler(remember
Chamberlain and appeasement), Stalin, Il Jung and others into greater and
greater power. Negotiate with the devil and lose!

Gilligan, a veteran


Interesting isn't it...
Noriega was installed by the US
Saddam was a friend of the US
Hitler was trying to right what the Germans saw as a wrong when they
lost land to Poland and France after the Treaty of Versailles presided
over by Britain, France, Italy and the US

My knowledge of Euro history is pretty ordinary, but didn't Germany
take most of the land it lost at the end of WW1 from France in the war
of 1870?

Seems to me it was the reparations that led to massive inflation and
economic chaos that led to the rise of Hitler more than the loss of
territory. Even the reparations were just playing by the same rules
Germany had used itself, previously.

As for wars, dunno. Basically the Western powers can economically ruin
a country without taking military action. Is this preferable?

PDW

Thom,

Lindberg was was a non-interventionist. If we had listened to him, we would
have been much worse off..

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
John,

I really don't no where to start a reply to your post. I know you sure
have history twisted around.

First lets take Lindberg. He warned us and Europe about Hilter and his
strength and was ignored. Did you ever hear of the saying "Peace in our
time"? That was said after Lindberg warning, which Europe didn't want to
hear.

About external forement, my God where have you learned your history. Do
you know how Cuba and the Philippines came into being after the Spanish
American War, Have you any idea at all how just about every nation in
the Middle East came into being after the Turk were defeated in WW1 by
moslem tribe under British leadership. After WW2 the China Communist
came into being with the exception of Taiwan, All the countries of
Europe blame us for losing their colonies. The French were driven out of
North Africa after the Allies defeated the Germans

Have you ever heard of the Truman Doctrine and the Marshall Plan?
The Lendlease Plan, Berlin Airlift, The Formation of the UN, Nato. The
creation of Israel.

John, I've only covered some of our involvement. All non-isolationist

My only comment to you is cure yourself of the myopic view of World
History. You really do seem to be missing a lot.

Ole Thom

'The Longest Day' was on yesterday. Ahhh for the good 'ol days, when
WE were right and THEY were wrong, men were men, and ganzy types hid
in the closet.

Scotty


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
John,

I really don't no where to start a reply to your post. I know you
sure
have history twisted around.

First lets take Lindberg. He warned us and Europe about Hilter and
his
strength and was ignored. Did you ever hear of the saying "Peace in
our
time"? That was said after Lindberg warning, which Europe didn't
want to
hear.

About external forement, my God where have you learned your history.
Do
you know how Cuba and the Philippines came into being after the
Spanish
American War, Have you any idea at all how just about every nation
in
the Middle East came into being after the Turk were defeated in WW1
by
moslem tribe under British leadership. After WW2 the China Communist
came into being with the exception of Taiwan, All the countries of
Europe blame us for losing their colonies. The French were driven
out of
North Africa after the Allies defeated the Germans

Have you ever heard of the Truman Doctrine and the Marshall Plan?
The Lendlease Plan, Berlin Airlift, The Formation of the UN, Nato.
The
creation of Israel.

John, I've only covered some of our involvement. All
non-isolationist

My only comment to you is cure yourself of the myopic view of World
History. You really do seem to be missing a lot.

Ole Thom