I've waited all day and no one seems to rememder.

I do! Remember the "Twenty one Dollars a Day, Once a month!" That's
what we were paid for putting our lives on the line against the Jap &
Germans.

So all you people who have served in the Armed Forces; THANKS from one
of your own

AND: I've poured, "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

you're welcome.

From: (Thom Stewart)
Date: 11/11/2004 9:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I've waited all day and no one seems to rememder.

I do! Remember the "Twenty one Dollars a Day, Once a month!" That's
what we were paid for putting our lives on the line against the Jap &
Germans.

So all you people who have served in the Armed Forces; THANKS from one
of your own

AND: I've poured, "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

Where ya been, Jax?

SV


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
you're welcome.

From: (Thom Stewart)
Date: 11/11/2004 9:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I've waited all day and no one seems to rememder.

I do! Remember the "Twenty one Dollars a Day, Once a month!"
That's
what we were paid for putting our lives on the line against the Jap
&
Germans.

So all you people who have served in the Armed Forces; THANKS from
one
of your own

AND: I've poured, "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

I've waited all day and no one seems to rememder.

I remembered on the train boards where people seem to care.
SAILLOCO
Viet Nam '66'
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
I've waited all day and no one seems to rememder.

I do! Remember the "Twenty one Dollars a Day, Once a month!" That's
what we were paid for putting our lives on the line against the Jap &
Germans.

So all you people who have served in the Armed Forces; THANKS from one
of your own

AND: I've poured, "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

Unless you live in a cave and don't have an access to a calendar or don't
live in the western world it's hard not to remember it's veteran's day,
Thom. We get a paid holiday (today), the union-sponsored veteran's group set
up their table at the front door to our plant, handing out something to
vets. I guess some of us might have the same problem that the folks who
sport the "support our troops" stickers on the bumpers of their large SUV's
(aah, the irony) How do you honor vets without appearing to be pro-war?

John Cairns

The compromise between good and evil is never good. When dealing with evil,
war (force) is the only solution. Otherwise don't deal with evil. Your
solutions would bring people like Noriega, Saddam Hussien, Hitler(remember
Chamberlain and appeasement), Stalin, Il Jung and others into greater and
greater power. Negotiate with the devil and lose!

Gilligan, a veteran


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:39:38 GMT, "John Cairns"
scribbled thusly:

) How do you honor vets without appearing to be pro-war?

John Cairns

Difficult eh.
Too many people seem to think that they can't be separated but IMHO,
supporting and thanking those who suffered, died, or just turned out
in no way condones the action of the Govt that may have moved them
into that war.

My grandfather was a highly decorated vet of 3 wars.
He always maintained that war should be avoided at all cost and that
the decision to go to war should be made by those who had actually
been there, that they wouldn't be as eager as those who've never seen
the carnage, and would go to far greater lenghth to pursue peaceful
solutions.





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Here is the error in your thinking:

http://www.importanceofphilosophy.co...ompromise.html

Unless you have no principles.


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:39:38 GMT, "John Cairns"
scribbled thusly:

) How do you honor vets without appearing to be pro-war?

John Cairns

Difficult eh.
Too many people seem to think that they can't be separated but IMHO,
supporting and thanking those who suffered, died, or just turned out
in no way condones the action of the Govt that may have moved them
into that war.

My grandfather was a highly decorated vet of 3 wars.
He always maintained that war should be avoided at all cost and that
the decision to go to war should be made by those who had actually
been there, that they wouldn't be as eager as those who've never seen
the carnage, and would go to far greater lenghth to pursue peaceful
solutions.





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote in message
All very well until you start to look at the reasons for some of the
wars..probably most of them.
People wanting back what was theirs at some time in the past

With that premise in mind ... it would be wise to follow the path of total
genocide when at war.
We have been pitted and forged to Survive since before recorded history.
We have been taught by nature that to the victor go the spoils... that
history is written by the winners.

Now in the blink of an eye you wish to change a millennia of reinforcement
by suggesting that altruism should overtake basic survivalism?

Don't Hold Your Breath..... unless you care not for oxygen for the next 100
thousand years.

CM

Thanks Dad, thanks Grandpop, thanks Uncle(s) Bud, Nicolas, Jim, Ray, thanks
cousin(s) Bill, Dwight.
Thanks to all my ancestor-soldiers, for being there from the beginning, and
staking out our own little piece of this insanity.
Thanks for telling Europe's nobility to bugger off. Thanks for trying to set
things right with the slaves even though you weren't slave owners. Thanks
for making us proud everytime America, right or wrong, placed the burden on
you.
And thanks again to you Dad, for making me understand when I was 18, that if
I was chosen to go to Viet Nam that I would be fighting for my family's
piece of America, and not for all the assholes who don't deserve to be here.
And finally, thanks to you West Point, for dangling the words 'Dulce et
Decorum est Pro Patria Mori' in my face and then turning me away for a heart
murmur.
Scout

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock--kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through the sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, bood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
of tired outstripped five nines that dropped behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!--An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth corrupted lungs
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend you would not say with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.
- Wilfred Owen

Thanks Scout;

You've grasped the moment that signifies the years of veterns service.

Thanks again!

Ole Thom