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Vito November 16th 04 12:33 PM

"Joe" wrote

Do you have a thermostat?


Yes, but it's working. The blockage is downstream after the water comes out
of the jacket around the exhaust manifold - probably in the cast iron
inverted U where it gets injected into the actual exhaust pipeing.

Thanks for the suggestion.



Vito November 16th 04 12:43 PM

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
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??? only possible if you have a very substanial blockage before the water
jacket (starboard side if direct drive)
if the engine is spinning and the raw water open...this baby is pumping
water and it must be going somewhere.
if the exhaust is completely clogged as you stated, chances are the water

is
entering the manifold into the engine.
your engine your boat......just my opinion.....good luck.


Sorry about my bad description. The part of the exhaust that carries the
exhaust gasses away is not plugged. I can start the motor and exhaust gas
comes out normally - just no water. Nor will the pump suck up any water (or
antifreeze) while the system is hooked up normally. But if I disconnect the
hose where it connects to the top of the inverted U casting to join the
exhaust gasses and cool the hoses then plenty of water (antifreeze) comes
thru and runs into the bilge.

Thanks again



DSK November 16th 04 02:51 PM

Vito wrote:
... The part of the exhaust that carries the
exhaust gasses away is not plugged. I can start the motor and exhaust gas
comes out normally - just no water. Nor will the pump suck up any water (or
antifreeze) while the system is hooked up normally. But if I disconnect the
hose where it connects to the top of the inverted U casting to join the
exhaust gasses and cool the hoses then plenty of water (antifreeze) comes
thru and runs into the bilge.


Well then, the water side of your injection elbow is plugged up. It
happens, usually due to rust. I just finished replacing one last weekend.

Unbolt the "inverted U casting" and seperate it from the exhaust hose (a
bitch of a job once it's overheated, as ours did) then take it to any
shop that can sandblast it well- inside & out. Check to make sure that
water can run through the injection side and that the pattern is still
good... if the inside part that sprays the cooling water into the
exhaust is too rusted away or eroded, then the whole thing is NFG.

I bought a new one and am keeping the old one as a spare... not that I
expect to need it for about 15 years or so...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Vito November 16th 04 05:35 PM

"DSK" wrote
Well then, the water side of your injection elbow is plugged up. It
happens, usually due to rust. I just finished replacing one last weekend.

Unbolt the "inverted U casting" and seperate it from the exhaust hose (a
bitch of a job once it's overheated, as ours did) then take it to any
shop that can sandblast it well- inside & out. Check to make sure that
water can run through the injection side and that the pattern is still
good... if the inside part that sprays the cooling water into the
exhaust is too rusted away or eroded, then the whole thing is NFG.

I bought a new one and am keeping the old one as a spare... not that I
expect to need it for about 15 years or so...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Thanks ... I was afraid of that.




Peter Wiley November 16th 04 10:45 PM


IOW, you didn't understand anything about cellphone technology. What I
figured so further explanation is wasted.

Bottom line is, I have a cellphone that works to over 60 km off the
coast of a huge and sparsely populated continent. You have one that
doesn't even work off the coast of NYC - assuming you actually ever get
more than 100m from the dock, which is doubtful.

PDW

In article ,
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:17:58 +1100, Peter Wiley
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:27:41 +1100, Peter Wiley
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:46:36 GMT, "Overproof"
wrote:


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Now where on the East or West Coast of the Continental US is there an
area
without cellular service??

Whole sections of the LIS are without service or have poor service.
I've
switched phones 3 times to attain better signals. Verizon is
currently
the
best. It works 75% of the time.

My sympathies on having to endure such 3rd world service in a country
that
lays claim to such global power. There is no area along the coast of
Nova
Scotia that does not have cellular service. You must truly live in a
poverty
stricken location when cellular service is so spotty as to be
unavailable
regardless of the fact that you are within line of sight of heavily
populated areas.

CM


???

Cell service is land based, and for reasons that are obvious to those
with
any
understanding, cell towers are generally placed inland at a point where
they
often reach just far enough to serve those on shore. The only reason
there
is
service in the LIS at all is because the signal sometimes manages to
take
advantage of the clear line of site.

You must have truly, truly ****ty cellphone technology. I have a pocket
sized CDMA cellphone and I can get signal some 30 nautical miles south
of Tasmania without problems. Next bit of land is the Antarctic
continent.


It has very little or nothing to do with the technology, and everything to
do
with location. We live in an area of high population density, and most of
that
population objects to cell towers that are higher than surrounding trees,
hills
or buildings. We have lots of towers, but none have much range
individually.
Then again, that was the whole concept behind cellular phones, now, wasn't
it?
Lots of low power cells that hand off as you pass from one to the next.


As I said, you must have truly ****ty technology. A non-exhaustive
recap of cell phones. First out here there was analog (AMPS). Very good
range, 100 kilometers or more with the proper antenna, big cells, wide
spacing. Ideal for a big country, not so good in the cities as the
number of users climbed. Next generation, GSM digital. Programmable
range, high cell density, low power, ideal for dense metropolises,
useless for long range as the number of base stations is ridiculously
high and therefore far too expensive to install. Complementary
technology, CDMA, not quite as good a range as the old AMPS but a lot
better data rate. Works in parallel with a GSM system.

We have GSM and CDMA giving us the best of both worlds. Sounds like
your cellphone providers don't bother with CDMA. Therefore you have a
system with no range and think that's normal for cellphones. It's only
normal for providors who either can't or won't provide better tech.

Still what can you expect from a country where you have to have roaming
agreements if you go interstate? My cellphone works anywhere in
Australia that's in range of a base station. Considering we've got
something like 80% of the land area of North America and less than 20%
of the population...... your tech doesn't look real good.

PDW


What a complete dunce! My cellphone works anywhere in the U.S. that is within
range of a base station. If english wasn't a second or third language for you,
maybe you would have been able to decipher the incredibly complex explanation I
posted.

BB


Joe November 16th 04 10:59 PM

"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote

Do you have a thermostat?


Yes, but it's working.


OK thats great. That is the close loop system.

Now here below what your talking about is your raw water system right?


The blockage is downstream after the water comes out
of the jacket around the exhaust manifold - probably in the cast iron
inverted U where it gets injected into the actual exhaust pipeing.


Diffrent pumps... different system.

The inverted U is called a rise. It is put there to keep water from
coming back on top of your pistons. Now unless you have the system
sealed you will not have enough pressure to overcome the standing
water in the rise. Seal it up, start it up, go outside and look. If
you can see it, not sure how your exhaust is ran it may be under
water. If your winterizing your raw water system that is the wrong way
to do it. What you wanna do is close your seasuction, open your
strainer start the engine as you pour antifreeze into the strainer,
That is if your strainer is properly mounted. This will fill the raw
loop to the riser.

Seldom will any exhaust pipe get clogged before the walls go.

Joe




Thanks for the suggestion.


Donal November 16th 04 11:04 PM


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
If I sailed a Beneteau I would stay even closer to land than thirty miles

.. . .

You, sir, are a brave but foolish man.


Compared to you, I am an abject coward!


Regards

Donal
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Donal November 16th 04 11:06 PM


"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Again, you fail at remedial English.


What the hell is "remedial English"?



Regards


Donal


It was Bob's major before he dropped out of night school!
John Cairns


Poor Bob!




Regards


Donal
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Donal November 16th 04 11:19 PM


wrote in message
...

Ther is more than one way to accumulate water, you senile old faggot.


I suspect that the owner of this particular sock-puppet(BB) has a bad case
of athlete's foot.


Regards


Donal
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Donal November 16th 04 11:26 PM


wrote in message
...
I don't post detailed trip reports here for
every cruise I make.


No, you don't.

Were you under the impression that we hadn't noticed?

Regards


Donal
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