I watched "Going Upriver"
 

On 24 Oct 2004 11:41:32 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Good movie all the same. People like Loco, Joe or Horvath won't see it.
Ignorance and dead weight find their own level.


I saw "Hellboy", it was about John Kerry.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

I watched 'Pirates of the Caribbean', I think Ganz was in it.

SV

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 24 Oct 2004 11:41:32 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Good movie all the same. People like Loco, Joe or Horvath won't see
it.
Ignorance and dead weight find their own level.


I saw "Hellboy", it was about John Kerry.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

I watched 'Pirates of the Caribbean', I think Ganz was in it.

That was Teletubbies, not PotC.

Max

OzOne wrote in message


All those swinging voters should watch it, see the faces and hear the
stories of the men called the "Swift boat liars".
Listen to Kerry and his friends and hear why they turned against the
Govt and its Vietnam war.

It might surprise you to know that many, perhaps a majority, of the Bush
supporters were also opposed to the war for many of the same reasons as was
John Kerry.

What *most* people, conservatives or liberal, did not do was accuse American
troops of being war criminals. What *most* did not do was make statements
that supported the Viet Cong and Ho Chi Minh. What *most* did not do was
stage backstreet meetings with VC party heads in an apparent show of support
for their cause.

Kerry did all of those things. I have no problem with what Kerry did in
Vietnam. What he did after returning to the US was and is reprehensible.
His meetings with the VC in Europe should have landed him in prison for
treason.

Max

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:26:47 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
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I watched 'Pirates of the Caribbean', I think Ganz was in it.


Was he that gay Captain Jon?



I saw "Hellboy", it was about John Kerry.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Even if I hated Kerry, I would not question his service,

Well your an idiot. Kerry should be questioned on why he left Viet Nam in 4
months and at the very least what is more troubling is why did he receive his
discharge 20 years after he completed his service. And oh if he has nothing to
hide why won't he release his military records? Kerry is a phony of the first
order.
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What he did after returning to the US was and is reprehensible.
His meetings with the VC in Europe should have landed him in prison for
treason.

True, but it was all typical Kerry phony crap. His returning home and oposing
the war was just a prelude to running for Congress a year later. He went to
Nam with an agenda. He went to get a medal or two so he could use that to run
for office. He told people that he was going to be the next JFK. He had
fellow solders film him in Nam so he could use that footage in ads. His
slamming of his fellow solders was just a means of getting his foot in the door
to speak before Congress and get some face time in front of the public.
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:46:01 +0000, Maxprop wrote:


What *most* people, conservatives or liberal, did not do was accuse
American troops of being war criminals.

Kerry accused America's Vietnam policies, free-fire zones, harassment and
interdiction fire, etc., as being criminal. He did not accuse soldiers of
being war criminals. Many cite his congressional testimony as evidence he
called soldiers war criminals, he did not. He did relay confessions told
to him at the Winter Soldier investigation. The following link is to that
testimony. I have read it several times, and can find no where that he
accuses American soldiers of war crimes.

http://www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 24 Oct 2004 11:41:32 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Good movie all the same. People like Loco, Joe or Horvath won't see it.
Ignorance and dead weight find their own level.


I saw "Hellboy", it was about my TV "girlfriend."






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Falwell thinks there commies or something.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

I watched 'Pirates of the Caribbean', I think Ganz was in it.

That was Teletubbies, not PotC.

Max

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:26:47 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

I watched 'Pirates of the Caribbean', I think Ganz was in it.


Was I that gay then?



Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Questioned? It's public record? Where was Bush? No one knows.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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Even if I hated Kerry, I would not question his service,

Well your an idiot. Kerry should be questioned on why he left Viet Nam in
4
months and at the very least what is more troubling is why did he receive
his
discharge 20 years after he completed his service. And oh if he has
nothing to
hide why won't he release his military records? Kerry is a phony of the
first
order.
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"Trains are a winter sport"

Questioned? It's public record?

What's public record?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
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Kerry accused America's Vietnam policies, free-fire zones, harassment and
interdiction fire, etc., as being criminal.

That showed how phoney or stupid Kerry was. There's nothing wrong with firing
in a free fire zone. Harassment and interdicition fire is just that. Lobbing
shells on supply trails during the night to harass the enemy who's bringing in
supplies. Oh and you forgot to mention Kerry thought the use of 50 cal.
machine guns was bad. What the hell is wrong with using a weapon your given to
shoot the enemy? Kerry was making stuff up and he made himself look stupid.
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On 25 Oct 2004 00:47:50 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote this
crap:

Kerry accused America's Vietnam policies, free-fire zones, harassment and
interdiction fire, etc., as being criminal.

That showed how phoney or stupid Kerry was. There's nothing wrong with firing
in a free fire zone. Harassment and interdicition fire is just that. Lobbing
shells on supply trails during the night to harass the enemy who's bringing in
supplies. Oh and you forgot to mention Kerry thought the use of 50 cal.
machine guns was bad. What the hell is wrong with using a weapon your given to
shoot the enemy? Kerry was making stuff up and he made himself look stupid.




No need to pop a blood vessel. God has already said that George W.
Bush will be reelected.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"thunder" wrote in message

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:46:01 +0000, Maxprop wrote:


What *most* people, conservatives or liberal, did not do was accuse
American troops of being war criminals.

Kerry accused America's Vietnam policies, free-fire zones, harassment and
interdiction fire, etc., as being criminal. He did not accuse soldiers of
being war criminals.

Really? What was Winter Soldier in Detroit all about?

Many cite his congressional testimony as evidence he
called soldiers war criminals, he did not. He did relay confessions told
to him at the Winter Soldier investigation. The following link is to that
testimony. I have read it several times, and can find no where that he
accuses American soldiers of war crimes.

If I present at your local police department and tell the officer of the
watch that I've been told this guy, Thunder, is a drug dealer, am I not
implying same?

Purely semantics, and no excuse for what Kerry reported to the Congressional
hearing. You can spin this any way you choose, but Kerry accused his fellow
soldiers of atrocities by presenting the Winter Soldier info. Period.

Max

OzOne wrote in message

Yep, unfortunately the facts have been lost in the anti Kerry
propaganda.

The most recent "propaganda" I've seen are a beginning-to-end video tape of
Kerry addressing Congress, and the VVAW's own transcripts of the Winter
Soldier investigations. Are you implying those items are falsified?

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Questioned? It's public record?

If Kerry's military records, in toto, are public, would you please direct me
to a website or resource where I can see them?

Let me help you--they aren't and you can't. Only the parts he wants
everyone to see are public, and the rest is being kept securely under lock
and key by the Navy until Kerry releases them by signing Form 180. I
suspect, Jon, that if you actually could see his complete records, you, too,
would advise him to keep them under wraps, just as his campaign advisors
have done.

Max

The "public" one.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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Questioned? It's public record?

What's public record?
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Every thing that is relevent is in the public domain. Unlike Bush's records.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Questioned? It's public record?

If Kerry's military records, in toto, are public, would you please direct
me
to a website or resource where I can see them?

Let me help you--they aren't and you can't. Only the parts he wants
everyone to see are public, and the rest is being kept securely under lock
and key by the Navy until Kerry releases them by signing Form 180. I
suspect, Jon, that if you actually could see his complete records, you,
too,
would advise him to keep them under wraps, just as his campaign advisors
have done.

Max

Actually, you're the one who looks stupid..

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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Kerry accused America's Vietnam policies, free-fire zones, harassment
and
interdiction fire, etc., as being criminal.

That showed how phoney or stupid Kerry was. There's nothing wrong with
firing
in a free fire zone. Harassment and interdicition fire is just that.
Lobbing
shells on supply trails during the night to harass the enemy who's
bringing in
supplies. Oh and you forgot to mention Kerry thought the use of 50 cal.
machine guns was bad. What the hell is wrong with using a weapon your
given to
shoot the enemy? Kerry was making stuff up and he made himself look
stupid.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

If you actually knew, you wouldn't ask that question. I suppose you believe
O'Neill who was encouraged by that other upstanding president Nixon to keep
after Kerry.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"thunder" wrote in message

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:46:01 +0000, Maxprop wrote:


What *most* people, conservatives or liberal, did not do was accuse
American troops of being war criminals.

Kerry accused America's Vietnam policies, free-fire zones, harassment and
interdiction fire, etc., as being criminal. He did not accuse soldiers
of
being war criminals.

Really? What was Winter Soldier in Detroit all about?

Many cite his congressional testimony as evidence he
called soldiers war criminals, he did not. He did relay confessions told
to him at the Winter Soldier investigation. The following link is to
that
testimony. I have read it several times, and can find no where that he
accuses American soldiers of war crimes.

If I present at your local police department and tell the officer of the
watch that I've been told this guy, Thunder, is a drug dealer, am I not
implying same?

Purely semantics, and no excuse for what Kerry reported to the
Congressional
hearing. You can spin this any way you choose, but Kerry accused his
fellow
soldiers of atrocities by presenting the Winter Soldier info. Period.

Max

Actually, you're the one who looks stupid..

LOL............. Briliant.
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And, you're a great speller!

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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Actually, you're the one who looks stupid..

LOL............. Briliant.
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Maxprop wrote:
The most recent "propaganda" I've seen are a beginning-to-end video tape of
Kerry addressing Congress, and the VVAW's own transcripts of the Winter
Soldier investigations. Are you implying those items are falsified?

If they "say" that Kerry testified that all soldiers in Viet Nam
committed atrocities, then yes.

Please quote where he says this.

I suspect that it's just as accurate as your claims about Kerry's voting
record... ie a lot of baloney paid-for advertising, except with a lower
standard of veracity than beer ads... or Vice President Cheney's debate
statements.

DSK

Even if I hated Kerry, I would not question his service,

Well your an idiot.


Loco, here is a pure example of how stupid you are.
Bush, the president of the United States, has NOT questioned Kerry's record. If
there was something truly dishonorable there Bush would have used it.
Instead Bush has DEFENDED Kerry's record.
You can't have it both ways, Loco. You're just another moron who loves to slam
anyone who doesn't share your agenda.

RB

Actually, you're the one who looks stupid..

LOL............. Briliant.


I wouldn't go that far. But Ganz will soon realize that you're actually a
retard.

RB

Actually, you're the one who looks stupid..

It goes much deeper than "looks".


I mean, seriously!!! Can Loco or Horvath be any dumber?
The president of the USA starts a war based on weapons that don't exist and
these morons don't even SUSPECT that they might have been lied to? They don't
second guess it? No bells go off, no lights come on? Anyone with half a brain
would be very uncertain, but not Loco! Not Horvath!

RB

/And, you're a great speller!

I don't claim to be.
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The president of the USA starts a war based on weapons that don't exist and
these morons don't even SUSPECT that they might have been lied to?

Since Kerry voted to go also based on the same info I guess he lied too.
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Bush, the president of the United States, has NOT questioned Kerry's record.
If
there was something truly dishonorable there Bush would have used it.

It's my opinion that Bush is just trying to play the part of a gentelman. Once
again if Kerry has nothing to hide why won't he sign the form 180 to release
his military records.
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SAIL LOCO wrote:
Since Kerry voted to go also based on the same info I guess he lied too.

I don't understand this whole line of circular reasoning... Bush &
Cheney lied to Congress. Kerry (and a lot of other people) fell for the
lies, not having full access to better intel themselves and giving the
benefit of the doubt to President Bush (which is as it should be).

Now you blame Kerry for believing Bush's lies... On the same reasoning,
I guess it's Kerry's fault about all those no-bid contracts were awarded
to Halliburton?

DSK

Once again, Bush has let his attack dogs out. Karl Rove was a protege of Lee
At****er, who finally renounced his dirty tricks. Why won't Bush come clean
about his National Guard service?

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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Bush, the president of the United States, has NOT questioned Kerry's
record.
If
there was something truly dishonorable there Bush would have used it.


It's my opinion that Bush is just trying to play the part of a gentelman.
Once
again if Kerry has nothing to hide why won't he sign the form 180 to
release
his military records.
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You don't claim to be a retard either...

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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/And, you're a great speller!

I don't claim to be.
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Thanks!

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Actually, you're the one who looks stupid..

LOL............. Briliant.


I wouldn't go that far. But Ganz will soon realize that you're actually a
retard.

RB

Kerry didn't lie. Bush lied. Kerry believed him or at least gave him the
benefit of the doubt.
Are you really that stupid?

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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The president of the USA starts a war based on weapons that don't
exist and
these morons don't even SUSPECT that they might have been lied to?

Since Kerry voted to go also based on the same info I guess he lied too.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

I don't understand this whole line of circular reasoning... Bush &
Cheney lied to Congress. Kerry (and a lot of other people) fell for the
lies, not having full access to better intel themselves and giving the
benefit of the doubt to President Bush (which is as it should be).

Doug, Kerry has stated that he had full access and read the intell reports.
Nobody "told" him anything. Everyone involved has since stated that the intell
was bad and that they had intell from more than one country that all stated the
same thing. So to keep saying that Bush lied is simply unfair and untrue.
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Kerry didn't lie. Bush lied. Kerry believed him or at least gave him the
benefit of the doubt.

Kerry read the same intell. He said so. Bush didn't tell anyone in Congress
otr the Senate anything. They all have a top secret clearance.
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Exactly. Bush didn't tell anyone in Congress. He LIED. Kerry believed him,
which was stupid.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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Kerry didn't lie. Bush lied. Kerry believed him or at least gave him
the
benefit of the doubt.

Kerry read the same intell. He said so. Bush didn't tell anyone in
Congress
otr the Senate anything. They all have a top secret clearance.
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Since Kerry voted to go also based on the same info I guess he lied too.


The same info AS GIVEN by Bush, yes. We all thought it was a good idea until we
learned that Bush lied.

RB