OzOne wrote:
Scooter, I see nothing wrong with leaving the handle in the winch in
those conditions, and looping over the winch is common practice.

Yeah, if the handle won't come out then what's the worst that could
happen, leaving it in? It's not like you're at risk of losing it.

OTOH putting on mesh sheet bags to stow the fall of the lines is not
expensive and it cleans things up enormously.

The problem with the sheet bags on our last boat is that they inevitably
got filled with candy bars & beer cans & sundry other items, so that
when you needed to handle lines (and the crew was both surprised &
outraged) the mess fleww all over the cockpit.


Some of the 'sailors' here take themselves a little too seriously.

We hve the cure for that

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch
handle?

Scotty

By itself no. But, if the handle lock suddenly gave it up, it would
go in the water, right?

Well, yeah also if an Albatross swooped down and picked up the end and
threw it in the water.....about the same thing.

Scott, I've seen locks go on winch handles. One minute you can't get
it undone, then next it comes off with a straight pull.

If you were distracted with other things, I still maintain it could be
a problem. You have a rail right there next to the winch. Why not use
that for the extra line.



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Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article , OzOne wrote:
On 19 Oct 2004 14:15:24 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) scribbled thusly:
By itself no. But, if the handle lock suddenly gave it up, it would
go in the water, right?

And what disaster would then befall poor Scotty?

He would have to actually sail? :-)


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article , OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:01:53 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

No. Jon, look at this pic.
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG
do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch
handle?

Scotty

Scooter, I see nothing wrong with leaving the handle in the winch in
those conditions, and looping over the winch is common practice.

Some of the 'sailors' here take themselves a little too seriously.

In "those" conditions it's probably not a problem. In conditions we
see here, it could easily be a problem. I tend to plan for worst case
scenarios, since the conditions here change quickly.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
DSK wrote:
OzOne wrote:
Scooter, I see nothing wrong with leaving the handle in the winch in
those conditions, and looping over the winch is common practice.

Yeah, if the handle won't come out then what's the worst that could
happen, leaving it in? It's not like you're at risk of losing it.

There is some risk of losing it inside someone who falls.

OTOH putting on mesh sheet bags to stow the fall of the lines is not
expensive and it cleans things up enormously.

The problem with the sheet bags on our last boat is that they inevitably
got filled with candy bars & beer cans & sundry other items, so that
when you needed to handle lines (and the crew was both surprised &
outraged) the mess fleww all over the cockpit.

Same thing here. I have to keep inforcing the lines only policy when
I'm teaching.

Some of the 'sailors' here take themselves a little too seriously.

We hve the cure for that

Politics!!

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article , OzOne wrote:
On 19 Oct 2004 15:06:43 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) scribbled thusly:
Scott, I've seen locks go on winch handles. One minute you can't get
it undone, then next it comes off with a straight pull.

So you lose another broken winch handle...no great loss.

My concern is not with the handle itself, although that is a good
point. I'm sure Scotty has a spare somewhere.

If you were distracted with other things, I still maintain it could be
a problem. You have a rail right there next to the winch. Why not use
that for the extra line.

You mean tie it on so it takes longer to access and gets it the way?

No. We have tie-downs for lines. They use a quick loop to secure the
line. Actually, they don't go on rails, so I mis-typed.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:10:26 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

Is anyone surprised that binary billspit thinks winch handles are made
by the boat builder?

bwahahahah

SV


The boat builder didn't manufacture much besides the hull and some parts of
the
interior. The rest of the boat is basically what the builder selected from
other
suppliers to meet a price point, which is why your Seidlemann is loaded down
with the cheapest gear that could be found. I'm surprised the standing rigging
isn't galvanized.

Hah. In fact galvanised rigging is a fraction of the cost and has
better structural properties than the commonly used 1x19 s/steel
rigging. Still, don't let facts get in your way.

PDW

Uh, yeah, you did. You owe me for a new winch and handle.

Scotty

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Hope we didn't break it:^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Yes Dad. I just realized it when I was closing up the boat and
couldn't get it out. It was raining so I didn't mess with it.

I'll still leave it in while sailing.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Yeah, if the handle won't come out then what's the worst that could
happen, leaving it in? It's not like you're at risk of losing it.

There is some risk of losing it inside someone who falls.


Must you gay up EVERY post?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

One minute you can't get
it undone, then next it comes off with a straight pull.

If you were distracted with other things, I still maintain an
Albatross
could swoop down and pull the handle straight off.